PossilYM Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Tragic events on the Holy Land. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 30/10/2023 at 14:03, Freedom Farter said: Palestinian-American activist talking about the distance between people and their governments as well as the powerlessness of international law. I don't think international law is powerless. It's just very very partial. There's no significant power behind the Palestinian cause and plenty behind Israel. Israel's actions are being justified in part by an appeal to international law and its ability to do what it wants is protected by that law. International law isn't primarily an instrument of justice, it's an instrument of power. Like all law. The justice bit just gets tagged on to generate consent. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 That’ll be another accidental Hamas air strike, I assume. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 52 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: That’ll be another accidental Hamas air strike, I assume. Big crater this time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Braverman just doesn't seem to have any depths to which she won't stoop. I mean, that should be kind of obvious by now but still ... 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, HTG said: Braverman just doesn't seem to have any depths to which she won't stoop. I mean, that should be kind of obvious by now but still ... An utterly vile excuse for a human being, she’s as nasty as they come, and for what? A need for power, that’s all it is. With power comes wealth. I’m genuinely in despair at the state of politics in this country (and beyond), a reset it required & im not sure how that’s achieved? Its very difficult to think of one MP on either front bench who seems to have an ounce of compassion, who isn’t just wholly dedicated to self promotion & will say whatever they feel they need to, to gain power. I’m genuinely finding it hard to find one principled politician in government or on the opposition front bench. It’s sickening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, HTG said: Braverman just doesn't seem to have any depths to which she won't stoop. I mean, that should be kind of obvious by now but still ... And yet if there was a genuine "hate march" by Tommy Robinson, the BNP or whoever, with hundreds of yobbos fighting on the street and dozens of arrests, she would probably be the first one to protect their right to protest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Green Brigade barred from Parkheid until further notice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, HTG said: Braverman just doesn't seem to have any depths to which she won't stoop. I mean, that should be kind of obvious by now but still ... Pretty sure I've said it before but Braverman doesn't even believe her own pish, she tries to be controversial because it gets publicity and makes her relevant, without her horrible views she'd just be your typical run of the mill Tory scumbag you never really hear about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, coprolite said: I don't think international law is powerless. It's just very very partial. There's no significant power behind the Palestinian cause and plenty behind Israel. Israel's actions are being justified in part by an appeal to international law and its ability to do what it wants is protected by that law. International law isn't primarily an instrument of justice, it's an instrument of power. Like all law. The justice bit just gets tagged on to generate consent. Is Iran not significant these days ? Putin will want to cause trouble as well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 30/10/2023 at 16:29, Salt n Vinegar said: Nice to see our Home Secretary being so rational about the protests.... "Home secretary Suella Braverman has condemned the pro-Palestine rallies held across the UK in recent weeks as “hate marches”." From - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braverman-palestine-protests-israel-b2438478.html What a load of **** ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 29 minutes ago, Empty It said: Pretty sure I've said it before but Braverman doesn't even believe her own pish, she tries to be controversial because it gets publicity and makes her relevant, without her horrible views she'd just be your typical run of the mill Tory scumbag you never really hear about. She positioning herself for a leadership run when Wee Rishi is huckled, or more likely bolts, after the next GE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 22 minutes ago, Ewanandmoreagain said: Is Iran not significant these days ? Putin will want to cause trouble as well Iran has their own internal issues to deal with, and it seems the population there isn’t much in favor of joining in. Putin has significant limits on what he could do due to his current focus on a police action. His Black Sea Fleet is pretty much blocked from sailing for the Med, and most ships from the Northern Fleet sailing all the way there would not be allowed into the Black Sea to repair/refuel/rearm. Technically, they have the outpost at Tartus, but that’s a very minor facility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyman Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Airstrike on a northern Gaza refugee camp. Alright though as they got their target and had asked people to leave 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, H Wragg said: Green Brigade barred from Parkheid until further notice. A humanitarian pause on their season tickets. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, greyman said: Airstrike on a northern Gaza refugee camp. Alright though as they got their target and had asked people to leave Are any of our politicians going to condemn an air strike on a refugee camp? Behave yourself Granny… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Are any of our politicians going to condemn an air strike on a refugee camp? Behave yourself Granny… Braverman might scold them for not doing two of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyman Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: Braverman might scold them for not doing two of them. She may see it as an alternative to Rwanda...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, greyman said: She may see it as an alternative to Rwanda...... Too many Tory voters with second homes in Cornwall to risk blowing up half of Falmouth along with the Bibby Stockholm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 To assert that the national intelligence agency of Israel comes anywhere close to matching the scope of USA's national intelligence agency, let alone tops it, is utterly ridiculous. McCluskey, presumably, would recognise just how ridiculous a similar claim would be about eg. Sweden's national intelligence agency. So its reasonable to assume antisemitism, a preoccupation with the false belief of cosmic Jewish control, motivated such a stupid utterance from him. His suggestion that Mossad knew about the Hamas attack and let it happen is also extremely stupid. How would they benefit from that? Allowing a security breach to take place which makes them look grossly incompetent, massively denting public confidence in their capabilities. A security breach that led to a series of massacres of the very civilians they're employed to protect. All that just to give an acceptable pretext for what's now being done in Gaza, where the Israeli government are showing they don't care whether their actions are viewed as acceptable or not anyway. Focus is needed on observable reality, on what actually happens. There's not the available bandwidth to be wasted by Len McCluskey treating us to his stupid imaginings. That goes for all conspiracists, its not just that they often propagate bigotry but also just how much of everyone's time they try to waste. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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