Israel And The Palestinians (now with added Iran)

[SS-18 ICBM]

Samuel Untermyer (1858-1940) was a Jewish American, Zionist, lawyer, civic leader, and self-made millionaire.

He helped write the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, so he knew a thing or two about banking.

On August 6th, 1933 he announced on New York's WABC Radio, that Jewish bankers were financing Hitler. The next day his address was published in the New York Times.

"Revolting as it is, it would be an interesting study in psychology to analyze the motives, other than fear and cowardice, that have prompted Jewish bankers to lend money to Germany as they are now doing. It is in part their money that is being used by the Hitler regime in its reckless, wicked campaign of propaganda to make the world anti-Semitic"

[SS-18 ICBM]

Edward L. Israel Papers, click here.

Rabbi Edward L. Israel was a Harvard educated American Zionist. He wrote the article below, about Jews financing Hitler and the Nazis in 1938.

The Pittsburgh Press - Nov 20, 1938

"One sad fact keeps ringing in our ears in the midst of the savage anti-Semitic outbursts in Nazi Germany. We cannot keep from mind the grim thought that during Hitler's rise to power, a number of wealthy Jews helped to finance his campaign. Unbelievable as it now seems, this is the truth."

[SS-18 ICBM]

"Ultimately We Will Be Going To War With Iran If The Israelis Want Us To"

- Former CIA Officer Michael Scheuer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrOtDHXdtMM&playnext=1&list=PLZbZSobUNZzDZX4QiWBhHtJccT7vZ77c7&feature=results_video

That should please many of you.

[THE KING]

1353157769[/url]' post='6814073']

Are you really as stupid as your internet persona? How many dictionaries do you require in order for you to empty your head of your fictional beliefs?

Click here.

Semite - a member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Middle East and northern Africa

Caucasian, White, White person - a member of the Caucasoid race

Babylonian - an inhabitant of ancient Babylon

Chaldaean, Chaldean, Chaldee - an inhabitant of ancient Chaldea

Assyrian - an inhabitant of ancient Assyria

Phoenician - a member of an ancient Semitic people who dominated trade in the first millennium B.C.

Arab, Arabian - a member of a Semitic people originally from the Arabian peninsula and surrounding territories who speaks Arabic and who inhabits much of the Middle East and northern Africa

Aramaean, Aramean - a member of one of a group of Semitic peoples inhabiting Aram and parts of Mesopotamia from the 11th to the 8th century BC

Canaanite - a member of an ancient Semitic people who occupied Canaan before it was conquered by the Israelites

Semite - of or relating to or characteristic of Semites; "Semite peoples"

See what's happening here moron is that you are separating (anti) and (Semite) put the two together go back to your dictionary and see what you get.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Anti+semite

It applying to Jews only

A bit like saying Afro American could apply to A white American of south African heritage ..it doesn't. Regardless of your dictionary definition of (Afro) or (American)

[Jacksgranda]

I hate it when I'm found out. A secrecy blanket will now be imposed on this thread. You'll be hearing a knock at the door shortly missile boy. I'd get to the basement sharpish.

A sledgehammer is far more effective.

[Jacksgranda]

See what's happening here moron is that you are separating (anti) and (Semite) put the two together go back to your dictionary and see what you get.

http://www.thefreedi...com/Anti+semite

It applying to Jews only

A bit like saying Afro American could apply to A white American of south African heritage ..it doesn't. Regardless of your dictionary definition of (Afro) or (American)

Is that not an American hair style?

[Swampy]

I disagree with T_S_A_R's overall conception of the Israel/Palestine situation but on one key point he's absolutely correct: why must this be an issue of long-standing national identity at all? Why is that important?

[THE KING]

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/nazisupport.cfm

[xbl]

That's pathetic. He's owned you on this. Other threads and insults are mere whataboutery, and you know it.

Insults? All I've done is comment on fact. I've pointed out insult after insult, with some highly personal comments made. None from me, all from him. And like the way he tries to pin the "not answering questions" label on me falsely, how dare you try and claim that I am the one using insults. He lies, he's even said it with pride that he lies, and he hides. He also accused me of not answering questions, when I have demonstrated conclusively that I answer questions, and that is the relevance of other topics. He's hiding and he's lying, and then he has the gall to turn around and accuse me of the very same thing he has done on so, so many threads.

Just look at Reynard's posts too. "The Future of Palestine"? How can something that "never existed" be discussed? Surely then it supports the point that in order to discuss the future of something, it has to exist no? Furthermore, is wikipedia wrong? Was yon dude (I forget his name) never the governor of Palestine?

Edited to add, since when were you Reynard's wee apologetic stooge anyway? Plenty to say about my "insults", but nothing to say about the personal abuse he dishes out?

Edited November 17, 2012 by xbl

[heedthebaa]

Insults? All I've done is comment on fact. I've pointed out insult after insult, with some highly personal comments made. None from me, all from him. And like the way he tries to pin the "not answering questions" label on me falsely, how dare you try and claim that I am the one using insults. He lies, he's even said it with pride that he lies, and he hides. He also accused me of not answering questions, when I have demonstrated conclusively that I answer questions, and that is the relevance of other topics. He's hiding and he's lying, and then he has the gall to turn around and accuse me of the very same thing he has done on so, so many threads.

Just look at Reynard's posts too. "The Future of Palestine"? How can something that "never existed" be discussed? Surely then it supports the point that in order to discuss the future of something, it has to exist no? Furthermore, is wikipedia wrong? Was yon dude (I forget his name) never the governor of Palestine?

Edited to add, since when were you Reynard's wee apologetic stooge anyway? Plenty to say about my "insults", but nothing to say about the personal abuse he dishes out?

you all of a sudden don't sound very business like too me, chins up eh !

[Pinigol]

"Ultimately We Will Be Going To War With Iran If The Israelis Want Us To"

- Former CIA Officer Michael Scheuer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrOtDHXdtMM&playnext=1&list=PLZbZSobUNZzDZX4QiWBhHtJccT7vZ77c7&feature=results_video

That should please many of you.

You're off your fucking head lad. f**k me... :lol:

Edited November 17, 2012 by Pinigol

[SS-18 ICBM]

See what's happening here moron is that you are separating (anti) and (Semite) put the two together go back to your dictionary and see what you get.

http://www.thefreedi...com/Anti+semite

It applying to Jews only

A bit like saying Afro American could apply to A white American of south African heritage ..it doesn't. Regardless of your dictionary definition of (Afro) or (American)

No, i'm not buying your codswallop, never. Next you'll be attempting to tell me that there really are a "God's Chosen People". A person is either Semitic or not Semitic and if anyone is anti-Semitic that person is anti-Semitic towards all Semites not only Jews.

[SS-18 ICBM]

You're off your fucking head lad. f**k me... :lol:

Shiiiiiiiiish, Don't tell everyone.

[Pinigol]

Shiiiiiiiiish, Don't tell everyone.

Genuinely, how do you get through life believing that there are global jewish conspiracies and shit like that? I mean, your default setting is to attack the Israelis and then some bizarre David Icke-esque stuff nabbed from RussiaToday (a beacon of unbiased journalism ).

I see it the same with the anti-war folks and the 9/11 "truthers", evidence is only legitimate if it supports their story, and anyone who disagrees with them has been brainwashed by the corporate propaganda machine etc.

[ditots]

The situation is plain and simple. The Palestinians have been rattling the Israeli's cage with there indiscriminate rockets for some time now. The Israeli's are just retaliating with some precision air strikes. There might be some collateral damage but that's what you get when you vote the likes of Hamas into power.

Every decade or so the Arabs like to poke the Israeli's with a stick to see if they still bite. The Israeli's retaliate and put the Muslims back in their place and then they usually start picking on each other.

[SS-18 ICBM]

Genuinely, how do you get through life believing that there are global jewish conspiracies and shit like that? I mean, your default setting is to attack the Israelis and then some bizarre David Icke-esque stuff nabbed from RussiaToday (a beacon of unbiased journalism ).

I see it the same with the anti-war folks and the 9/11 "truthers", evidence is only legitimate if it supports their story, and anyone who disagrees with them has been brainwashed by the corporate propaganda machine etc.

You began with that word to type a stream of pish (a.k.a. LIES of various sorts ).

You're not worthy Piginol.

[The OP]

No, i'm not buying your codswallop, never. Next you'll be attempting to tell me that there really are a "God's Chosen People". A person is either Semitic or not Semitic and if anyone is anti-Semitic that person is anti-Semitic towards all Semites not only Jews.

Only if you're a complete 'tard who doesn't understand how language works.

[Granny Danger]

The situation is plain and simple. The Palestinians have been rattling the Israeli's cage with there indiscriminate rockets for some time now. The Israeli's are just retaliating with some precision air strikes. There might be some collateral damage but that's what you get when you vote the likes of Hamas into power.

Every decade or so the Arabs like to poke the Israeli's with a stick to see if they still bite. The Israeli's retaliate and put the Muslims back in their place and then they usually start picking on each other.

If the Sun was to do an article on the present situation it would read like this. Just keep looking at the tits son and leave the politics to the grown ups.

[SS-18 ICBM]

Where as Arab government dictators don't try and warp their peoples minds at all.

I'm sure you are just trolling you can't possibly believe the pish you are writing.

They most certainly do. I have never said that they don't. I have no reason or need to do that.. I have not taken sides in what has been going on in the Middle East, i have merely pointed out that most of you believe what you are told to believe and that very few of you who are pro-Isreal possess critical thinking faculties.

If you think that the texts that i have posted from the 'Torah Jews' website is pish i suggest you email them with your concerns.

I am sure that you are just trolling as you have not attempted to debate any of this:

http://www.jewsagain...nazisupport.cfm

"Theodore Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism" hmm...What do you make of that then little trolls?

NAZI SUPPORT OF ZIONISM

Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained "we must, above all, make it an international political issue."[1]Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome "final solution of the Jewish question."[2]In his "Diaries", page 19, Herzl stated "Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies."

Zionism was supported by the German SS and Gestapo.[3] [4] [5] [6] Hitler himself personally supported Zionism.[7] [8] During the 1930's, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. As late as 1942 Zionists operated at least one of these officially authorized "Kibbutz" training camps[9] over which flew the blue and white banner which would one day be adopted as the national flag of "Israel".[10]

The Transfer Agreement (which promoted the emigration of German Jews to Palestine) implemented in 1933 and abandoned at the beginning of WWII is an important example of the cooperation between Hitler's Germany and international Zionism. [11] Through this agreement, Hitler's Third Reich did more than any other government during the 1930's to support Jewish development in Palestine and further the Zionist goals.

Hitler and the Zionists had a common goal: to create a world Jewish Ghetto as a solution to the Jewish Question.

The Zionist so-called "World Jewish Congress" declared war on the country of Germany,[12] [13] knowing that it would affect their Jewish brothers residing in that country who would be left without protection. When others tried to help them escape to other countries, the Zionist movement took actions which caused those countries to lock their doors to Jewish immigration (read more in the books, "Perfidy" and "Min Hametzer"). As a result of the Zionist influence five ships of Jewish refugees from Germany arriving in the United States were turned back to the gas chambers.

The fundamental aim of the Zionist movement has been not to save Jewish lives but to create a "Jewish state" in Palestine.

On December 7, 1938, Ben Gurion, the first head of the Zionist state of Israel' declared "If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel."[14]

On August 31, 1949, Ben Gurion stated: "Although we have realized our dream of creating a Jewish State, we are only at the beginning. There are still only 900,000 Jews in Israel, whereas the majority of the Jewish people still remains abroad. Our future task is to bring all the Jews to Israel."

Of the two and a half million Jews seeking refuge from the Nazis between 1935 and 1943, less than 9% went to settle in Palestine. The vast majority, 75%, went to the Soviet Union. In the mid-70's, more people emigrated out of 'Israel' than came in. The only surges of immigration to the Zionist state have occurred during anti-Semitic threats and persecution in foreign countries.[15]

It follows that for the Zionist state to achieve its goal of a Jewish world ghetto anti-Semitism must be promoted and encouraged, and as we have seen, by acts of violence if necessary.

"To attain its practical objectives, Zionism hopes it will be able to collaborate with a government that is fundamentally hostile to the Jews".[16]

The use of anti-Semitism as a tool to coerce immigration to the Zionist state continues to the present day:

Prime Minister Sharon has stated that anti-Semitism is on the rise and that the only hope for the safety of Jews is to move to Israel under the protection of the Zionist state. "The best solution to anti-Semitism is immigration to Israel. It is the only place on Earth where Jews can live as Jews," he said.[17]

Those who continue to call the so-called "state of Israel" the "Jewish State" are not only promoting Zionism which is contrary to the beliefs of true Judaism, but also endorsing the promotion of worldwide anti-Semitism. In doing so they are endangering the lives of traditional Jews and denying their civil liberties and human rights.

When the British foreign secretary, Arthur Balfour (sponsor of the 1905 Aliens Act to restrict Jewish immigration to the UK), wanted the British government to commit itself to a Jewish homeland in Palestine, his declaration was delayed - not by anti-Semites but by leading figures in the British Jewish community. They included a Jewish member of the cabinet who called Balfour's pro-Zionism "anti-Semitic in result". In contrast, a great statesman like Secretary of State Colin Powell, a supporter of traditional Judaism, has the courage to separate Judaism from Zionism and to acknowledge that speaking out against the actions of the Zionist state is not "anti-Semitism".

We call upon our leaders in Washington to disassociate the actions of the Zionist state from traditional Judaism by no longer referring to "Israel" as the "Jewish State" but as "the Zionist State" and to speak out against the Zionist actions which promote anti-Semitism.

Bibliography:

Hitlers Zweites Buch – ein Dokument aus dem Jahr 1928, Stuttgart, 1961. English translation: Hitler's Secret Book, New York, 1961, pp 212-215.

Berlin Encyclopaedia Judaica (New York and Jerusalem: 1971), Vol. 5, p.648.

See also, J.-C. Horak, "Zionist Film Propaganda in Nazi Germany," Historical Journal of Film, Radio and Television, Vol. 4, No. 1, 1984, pp 49-58.

Perfidy, Author: Ben Hecht, Milah Press, Incorporated; April 1, 1997

Min Hameitzer, Author:Rabbi Weissmandl; The book Unheeded Cry by Abraham Fuchs, is a partial translation.

Holocaust Encyclopedia, "Escape from German Occupied Europe",http://www.ushmm.org...duleId=10005470

"Immigration Policies", Jewish Virtual Library,http://www.jewishvir...ust/grobim.html

"The Tragedy of the S.S. St. Louis", Jewish Virtual Library, http://www.jewishvir...st/stlouis.html

[1] Quoted in: Ingrid Wecker, Feuerzeichen: Die "Reichskristallnacht" (Tubingen: Grabert, 1981), p. 212. See also: Th. Herzl, The Jewish State (New York: Herzl Press, 1970), pp 33, 35, 36, and Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement (New York: Macmillan, 1984), p.73

[2] Th. Herzl, "Der Kongress, " Welt, June 4, 1897. Reprinted in: Theodore Herzls zionistischeSchriften (Leon Kellner, ed.), ester Teil, Berlin: Judischer Verlag, 1920, p. 190 (and p.139)

[3] Francis R. Nicosia, The Third Reich and the Palestine Question (1985), pp. 54-55.; Karl A.Schleunes, The Twisted Road to Auschwitz (Urbana: Univ. of Illinois, 1970, 1990) pp. 178-181

[4] Jacob Boas, "A Nazi Travels to Palestine," History Today (London), January, 1980, pp. 33-38.

[5] Facsimile reprint of front page of Das Schwarze Korp, May 15, 1935, in: Janusz Piekalkiewicz, Israels Langer Arm (Frankfurt: Goverts, 1975), pp. 66-67.

[6] Das Schwarze Korps, Sept. 26, 1935. Quoted in: F. Nicosia, The Third Reich and the PalestineQuestion (1985), pp. 56-57

[7] F. Nicosia, Third Reich (1985), pp. 141-144; On Hitler's critical view of Zionism in Mein Kapf, see.Esp. Vol. 1, Chap. 11. Quoted in: Robert Wistrich, Hitler's Apocalypse (London: 1985), p. 155.

[8] W. Feilchenfeld, et al., Haavra-Transfer (1972). Entire text in: David Yisraeli, The Palestine Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: 1974), pp. 132-136.

[9] Y. Arad, et al., eds., Documents On the Holocaust (1981), p. 155. (The training kibbutz was at Neuendorf, and may have functioned even after March 1942.)

[10] Lucy Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews, 1933-1945 (New York: Bantam, pb., 1976), pp 253-254; Max Nussbaum, "Zionism Under Hitler," Congress Weekly (New York: American Jewish Congress), Sept. 11, 1942.; F. Nicosia, The Third Reich (1985), pp 58-60, 217.; Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement (1984), p. 175.

[11] E. Black, The Transfer Agreement (1984), pp. 328, 337.

[12] "Judea Declares War on Germany!" London Daily Express headline, March 24^th, 1933

[13] "The worldwide boycott against Germany in 1933 and the later all-out declaration of war against Germany initiated by the Zionist leaders and the World Jewish Congress enraged Hitler so that he threatened to destroy the Jews" (Rabbi Schwartz, New York Times, Sept. 30, 1997)

[14] Yvon Gelbner, "Zionist policy and the fate of European Jewry", in Yad Vashem studies (Jerusalem, vol. XII, p. 199).

[15] Institute for Jewish Affairs of New York, quoted by Christopher Sykes in "Crossroads to Isarl",London 1965, and by Nathan Weinstock, "Le sionisme contre Israel," p. 146.

[16] Lucy Dawidovitch, "A Holocaust Reader", p. 155.

[17] "Sharon Urges Jews to go to Israel", BBC News, 17 Nov. 2003, http://news.bbc.co.u...ast/3275979.stm

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[ditots]

If the Sun was to do an article on the present situation it would read like this. Just keep looking at the tits son and leave the politics to the grown ups.

"son" it's been a few years since I've been called that. If you are as old as the muppet in your avatar then I'll let you off.

Trust me I know a lot more about the history of Middle East the than you think. I'm just trying to attempt to bring ordinary people into the discussion instead of the pages and pages of sections copied and pasted from Wikipedia by the same three halfwits.

Anyway, what part of my statement is inaccurate?