adam4267 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 No , by ethnic cleansing I mean ethnic cleansing, Of some 800'000 Arabs in the 40s. I know this fact doesn't sit well with your Zionist apologist narrative but it happened. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/?qid=20070413045950AAgdc7A So if Israel committed genocide on Arabs and didn't want them in Israel. Why are there 2.5 million Arabs - over double pre-1948 numbers - living there now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 So if Israel committed genocide on Arabs and didn't want them in Israel. Why are there 2.5 million Arabs - over double pre-1948 numbers - living there now? who mentioned Genocide? The Arab numbers are in proportion to the growing populaition thats all, if Israel wanted them there why do they have a policy of guarenteed acceptence of immigrants as long as youre jewish? But not if youre an Arab? why do they refuse the right of the 2 million arab refugees to return home?...oh wait thats right the Arabs all left of their own free will?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 who mentioned Genocide? The Arab numbers are in proportion to the growing populaition thats all, if Israel wanted them there why do they have a policy of guarenteed acceptence of immigrants as long as youre jewish? But not if youre an Arab? why do they refuse the right of the 2 million arab refugees to return home?...oh wait thats right the Arabs all left of their own free will?! So if Israel committed "ethnic cleansing" on Arabs and didn't want them in Israel. Why are there 2.5 million Arabs - over double pre-1948 numbers - living there now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Israel going to give a warning about an attack. What is the point of that? Surely if they know there's Hamas leaders or the like in a house then why warn them? They're just indiscriminately attacking anyone. Have you seen warning they give? A mortal shell to the roof of the targeted building to let them know whats coming... then 60 seconds later... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d93_1405530657 Edited July 19, 2014 by Enrico Annoni 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverSinging Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Why are we arguing about all this shite? Who fucking cares? The simple fact is that Israel occupied land it had no claim to and is now murdering innocent children and other civilians. They've got zero morale high ground here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Have you seen warning they give? A mortal shell to the roof of the targeted building to let them know whats coming... then 60 seconds later... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d93_1405530657 Yup. I like how some folk seem to have just accepted that it's perfectly fine to blow up people's houses, with the inhabitants inside or not, so long as you warn them first, or hit them with a missile with no warhead - that in fact, anyone who stays in their houses and gets killed are actually engaged in an act of asymmetric warfare as "human shields", in some cases. Of course, this isn't correct. There's no obligation on civilians to get out of the way of your missiles and bullets, whether you warn them or not - the onus is on you not to kill them. And that's that. People who tell you the opposite are basically repeating one side's weak excuses for killing civilians, which isn't very nice or sane in my view. Edited July 19, 2014 by flyingrodent 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 But but but Hamas rockets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 its high time we turned our back on Israel, Theres a quote from an IDL spokesman which goes along the lines of, Civilians that dont leave their homes after a warning are willing human shields and I have no compassion for them, and anyone killed who has returned to their flattened homes was helping Hamas?! This from the mob that doesnt target civillians? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10693327/David-Cameron-pledges-unbreakable-support-for-Israel.html David Cameron has pledged his "unbreakable" support for Israel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 People who support Israel are horrible human beings, without exception. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 People who support Israel are horrible human beings, without exception. To be fair, about 80% of people who have strong opinions on the matter from one angle or the other are usually horrible roasters. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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THE KING Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Have you seen warning they give? A mortal shell to the roof of the targeted to let them know whats coming... then 60 seconds later... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d93_1405530657 yeah it was on C4 news last night even the reporter seemed disgusted with it, if blowing up an entire residential block of flats because 1 suspect might live there isnt collective punishment, what is? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 People who support Israel are horrible human beings, without exception. God? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10693327/David-Cameron-pledges-unbreakable-support-for-Israel.html David Cameron has pledged his "unbreakable" support for Israel He spoke partly in Hebrew and talked about his Jewish heritage?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamdunk Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 If you don't want to cause offence, I'd suggest taking out the coming across like a p***k part. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Have you seen warning they give? A mortal shell to the roof of the targeted building to let them know whats coming... then 60 seconds later... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d93_1405530657 Funny how the camera was set up perfectly to film the warning knock then the bomb. Almost as if everybody knew exactly when it was going to happen. More on that - http://www.ibtimes.com/israel-roof-knocking-video-raises-question-warning-or-human-rights-violation-1628734 Basically the Israelis make a public announcement, leaflet an area, phone/text the occupants, give a warning "knock", then hit the place. What do Hamas do? Tell people to go onto the roof as human shields to protect Hamas members. What are the people on the roof going to do? Catch the fucking thing? Hamas are telling people not to move because Hamas want the death toll to be as high as possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Hamas are telling people not to move because Hamas want the death toll to be as high as possible. Hamas military wing and the IDF are both culpable for these deaths to a degree and despite not pulling the trigger the politicians have failed these people.Obviously the IDF is the main aggressor and their martyr argument doesn't really hold up under investigation. This just sets another generation of palestinians who want nothing to do with Israel barring its destruction. There is evidence of human shields but there isn't a lot of room in these ghettos and if the civillian residents don't do anything they will be homeless anyway. These people have little left to lose. The Israeli Authorities control the vast majority of energy, water, food and medical supplies into these territories so could use sanctions rather than acute lethal force. However that is inhumane in its own right. Basically it is totally fucked as the war pigs on both sides are intransigent in their outlook towards the opposition. Ironically a de-militarisation of the area with peace keepers would be the only logical way forward but neither set of leaders would let that happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Large areas of Gaza have no electricity just now because the lines were accidentally destroyed by a Hamas rocket. Engineers from the Israeli electricity board are refusing to go and fix the lines because Hamas are still firing rockets at the area. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Funny how the camera was set up perfectly to film the warning knock then the bomb. Almost as if everybody knew exactly when it was going to happen. More on that - http://www.ibtimes.com/israel-roof-knocking-video-raises-question-warning-or-human-rights-violation-1628734 Basically the Israelis make a public announcement, leaflet an area, phone/text the occupants, give a warning "knock", then hit the place. What do Hamas do? Tell people to go onto the roof as human shields to protect Hamas members. What are the people on the roof going to do? Catch the fucking thing? Hamas are telling people not to move because Hamas want the death toll to be as high as possible. Allow me to repeat this - there's no obligation on civilians to get out of the way of Israeli missiles and bullets, whether they warn them to get out of the way or not. The onus is on combatants not to kill them. This isn't up for debate, from either a legal or moral standpoint. People who tell you the opposite are basically repeating one side's weak excuses for killing civilians, which isn't very nice or sane. As a rule, I try not to parrot propagandistic excuses to kill innocent people, and I suggest that you try not to do it as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Funny how the camera was set up perfectly to film the warning knock then the bomb. Almost as if everybody knew exactly when it was going to happen. More on that - http://www.ibtimes.com/israel-roof-knocking-video-raises-question-warning-or-human-rights-violation-1628734 Basically the Israelis make a public announcement, leaflet an area, phone/text the occupants, give a warning "knock", then hit the place. What do Hamas do? Tell people to go onto the roof as human shields to protect Hamas members. What are the people on the roof going to do? Catch the fucking thing? Hamas are telling people not to move because Hamas want the death toll to be as high as possible. Aye am sure it's hilarious for the people now made homeless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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