Israel And The Palestinians (now with added Iran/Lebanon)

[Cosmic Joe]

Bruce Cockburn recorded a very human song, when experiencing the retribution of the US against the socialist government of Nicaragua elected back in the day. 

 

[Cosmic Joe]

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=UJKIGh4jdQI&si=H3cTYvv49fc2ErIZ

[Fullerene]

7 hours ago, Highlandmagar said:

Remember that the British caused the middle east mess in the first place.

That's not fair.  They had a lot of help from the French.

[Freedom Farter]

7 hours ago, GHF-23 said:

So the above is absolutely deranged, and it shouldn't require clarification why using the fucking Nazis as an analogue for the - repellent - government of Israel is unacceptable. But that being said it's interesting to see things I considered to be indicative of anti-Semitism, such as conflating Israel and the Jewish people or talking about good Jews and bad Jews (as below), have become absolutely fair game and it's actually now unacceptable according to many sensible moderate people in the US and Europe to disagree with this

 

 

I read the tweets of a few anti-zionist Jews, mostly Americans. This claim over them by Israel really annoys them.

[Granny Danger]

8 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

That analogy is as lazy as Blinken's Nazi massacres analogy about the initial Hamas attack.

I agree that it’s a lazy analogy.

I’m sure an analogy could be drawn with other advocates/practitioners of genocide.

Not sure any of them would be getting unconditional support from the US and UK governments AND their main opposition parties all the same.

 

 

[Fullerene]

29 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I agree that it’s a lazy analogy.

I’m sure an analogy could be drawn with other advocates/practitioners of genocide.

Not sure any of them would be getting unconditional support from the US and UK governments AND their main opposition parties all the same.

 

 

Be interesting to hear what Suella has to say about that little difficulty that Rwanda had 30 years ago.

[BillyAnchor]

1 hour ago, Fullerene said:

That's not fair.  They had a lot of help from the French.

But no help at all from Liverpool FC who are entirely blameless.  Again.

[Ewanandmoreagain]

Just now, BillyAnchor said:

But no help at all from Liverpool FC who are entirely blameless.  Again.

WTF ?

[Fullerene]

30 minutes ago, Ewanandmoreagain said:

WTF ?

I thought it was the Sykes Picot Agreement whereby Britain and France carved up the old Ottoman Empire that caused all the problems.

[Ewanandmoreagain]

28 minutes ago, Fullerene said:

I thought it was the Sykes Picot Agreement whereby Britain and France carved up the old Ottoman Empire that caused all the problems.

Partly , us betraying the Arabs and there was the Balfour declaration as well !

[Ewanandmoreagain]

Braverman conveniently forgetting that some of the service men and women being remembered next weekend were murdered by Jewish terrorists 

[Moomintroll]

9 hours ago, Fullerene said:

I thought it was the Sykes Picot Agreement whereby Britain and France carved up the old Ottoman Empire that caused all the problems.

It was, as a by product the betrayal of King Faisal also led to Ibn al Saud rising to prominence in the Region with the consequent Fundamentalist issues ever since.

[Moomintroll]

On 02/11/2023 at 16:47, coprolite said:

Don’t you lot have some sort of free speech Tsar that will sort this all out? You know because free and open debate is a cornerstone of democracy or something. Maybe that’s only a trans thing 

No, free speech only works in Universities if you use it to be anti semitic. The Jews are not welcome in higher education ( or anywhere else, according to North London Liberal acolytes)in this little cesspool of a country.

[coprolite]

22 hours ago, throbber said:

Has anyone ever thought of singing free Palestine to the tune of sweet Caroline before?

Hasn't there been enough atrocities? 

[MazzyStar]

8 minutes ago, Moomintroll said:

No, free speech only works in Universities if you use it to be anti semitic. The Jews are not welcome in higher education ( or anywhere else, according to North London Liberal acolytes)in this little cesspool of a country.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Heads gone incoming . . .

[Freedom Farter]

23 hours ago, GHF-23 said:

So the above is absolutely deranged, and it shouldn't require clarification why using the fucking Nazis as an analogue for the - repellent - government of Israel is unacceptable. But that being said it's interesting to see things I considered to be indicative of anti-Semitism, such as conflating Israel and the Jewish people or talking about good Jews and bad Jews (as below), have become absolutely fair game and it's actually now unacceptable according to many sensible moderate people in the US and Europe to disagree with this

 

 

I know I already replied but I looked up The Jerusalem Post myself just now and found this. Couldn't get a better example of what you described. "All Jews should leave the United Kingdom".

[Granny Danger]

3 minutes ago, Freedom Farter said:

I know I already replied but I looked up The Jerusalem Post myself just now and found this. Couldn't get a better example of what you described. "All Jews should leave the United Kingdom".

I’m assuming those Jews who attended the pro-Palestine rallies felt safe enough.

Maybe they were hyped up on antisemitic coffee.

[Freedom Farter]

39 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I’m assuming those Jews who attended the pro-Palestine rallies felt safe enough.

Maybe they were hyped up on antisemitic coffee.

I was more meaning that "all Jews should leave the United Kingdom" is something only the most committed antisemite would say...or an Israeli newspaper columnist. 

As GHF pointed out, antisemitic statements have become acceptable now if they're either said by Israeli chauvinists or are perceived as benefiting that movement. Maybe it began with Netanyahu's effort to  rehabilite Hitler's reputation (https://youtu.be/f9HmkRYlVZw?si=_Sq4p-hQJGUAt1VY).

 

[Wee-Bey]

I don't doubt for a minute that the Jewish community in this country, or a part of that community, feel pretty anxious at the moment. There's been a huge rise in antisemitism (and Islamophobia) recently, as often happens when events in Israel and Palestine flair up.

The bad faith stuff highlighted in the last 2 pages from both the right wing press and the Israeli government to provide cover for their actions absolutely needs calling out as contributing to this issue.