Israel And The Palestinians (now with added Iran/Lebanon)

[Pinigol]

On the flip side of this, you can say it's going to take Israel taking the first step back if we're to see an improvement in the situation, as Hamas aren't going to stop rocket strikes as long as Palestinians are having their homes bulldozed, being evicted for illegal settlements, and are to all intents and purposes imprisoned by an apartheid regime with no freedom of movement.

I've stated it before, Hamas will not consider the score settled until Israel is wiped off the map. They believe they have god on their side in this conflict and have no interest in relenting, even if Israel were to take steps to improve the situation in Gaza it would have little impact on the actions of hardline militant groups.

Why have Hamas been able to get enough popular support to take power? Do you think it's because the majority of people in Gaza are fundamentalists who want to wipe out all Jews? No, it's because people knew they'd use violence after negotiations were ruined time and time again by Israeli belligerence - settlement here, airstrike there, shoot a child for throwing a stone here - and through this the international community did nothing. Obviously it's not a switch you can flick overnight and the problems will go away, but it's going to take the average Palestinian believing negotiations can bring peace to stop groups like Hamas coming to power; that's not going to happen unless Israel demonstrates that it actually wants peace, when its actions have never suggested anything of the sort.

As always, when under pressure people are more likely to side with the extremist parties, and the people of Gaza have been suffering for a long time. The majority of people in this situation on both sides of the border want peace, the problem lies with the right wing religious who veto any attempt at progress. Most Israelis understand the suffering that goes on, it's brought to their attention constantly, and they know they have to improve the situation, but the fact that they are under constant threat of rocket attack gives the extreme parties more weight when they take a harder stance.

I stand by what I said, it needs to be Hamas that takes the first step back if they really care for the people of Gaza.

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Thanks for the laugh last night XBL.

Palestinians, and their great leader a British Jewish aristocrat called Herbert Samuel. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just out of interest, I'm sure you will be able to give me a long list of the Palestinian leaders prior to Herbie? Seeing as you are being so open and intellectually honest about everything. Or are you going to run away and hide?

What a horrible little fat troll you are.

Wasn't it Herbie's folks who founded the well-known Palestinian jewellery business, H. Samuel ?

[SS-18 ICBM]

Why do you deny the The Holocaust took place in WWII?

I don't, however i know that all of the Hollywood fictional movies and fictional television series that you have watched are fictional. If you have a problem with the fact that they are fictional and not factual, i suggest that you email NATO with your concerns.

[THE KING]

1353151805[/url]' post='6813859']

The anti-Semitic members of this forum such as Reynard and many various others who have been posting anti-Semitic comments on this thread since 2008 do not genuinely care about the death and destruction inflicted upon any innocent people in the Middle East, so why should you or anyone reading your thread care about their opinions?

Most of you are so poorly educated, and there are very few among you actually aware of what a Semite is. For this reason i repeat:

Facts: Arabic people are Semites as well as Hamites, not all Jewish people are Semites and not all Zionists are Jewish.

Reference. click here.

Semite: 1. A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians. 2. A Jew. 3. Bible A descendant of Shem. 4. (Social Science / Peoples) a member of the group of Caucasoid peoples who speak a Semitic language, including the Jews and Arabs as well as the ancient Babylonians, Assyrians, and Phoenicians. 5. (Social Science / Peoples) another word for a Jew

This makes many of you here 'anti-Semitic' due to your postings of various slurs, innuendos and downright stupid comments on this thread since 2008. You know who you are, no names are required as i'm not on a witch-hunt.

To the mentally retarded among you who have been fooling around accusing me of being anti-Semitic due to your dislike of my NATO name and the history lessons that i have been linking in my posts, i suggest that you spend a little bit of your time educating yourselves properly by doing a little 'personal' research into The History of the World, particularly the Middle East. And if you ever want to be taken seriously, refrain from making slanderous remarks about other members unless you can back up those slanderous remarks with something credible (such as full quotes of their posts).

Anti Semitic refers to Jews.

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

I don't, however i know that all of the Hollywood fictional movies and fictional television series that you have watched are fictional. If you have a problem with the fact that they are fictional and not factual, i suggest that you email NATO with your concerns.

^^^ David Irving

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Anti Semitic refers to Jews.

[THE KING]

1353141787[/url]' post='6813556']

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".

- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".

- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -

Concerning the Holy Land, the chairman of the Syrian Delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 stated:

"The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 c.e. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years".

"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".

- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -

"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people".

- Syrian dictator Hafez Assad to the PLO leader Yassir Arafat -

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

124 Out Of 193 Countries Recognize Palestinian Independence

Sunday August 28, 2011 08:42 by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC & Agencies

A total of 124 countries, out of 193 UN member countries, have officially declared recognition of Palestine, and the Palestinian UN move this September, to seek recognition of statehood and a full UN membership.

Nine of the 124 countries are among the top ten most populated countries in the World, the Maan News Agency reported.

Palestinian sources reported that Palestine is gaining momentum is international recognition, and the UN move, especially after the Spanish Foreign Minister, Trinidad Jimenez, recently called on the European Countries to support the Palestinian move. Israel was angered by the recent statement, and considered it alarming.

Recently, both Spanish and Belgium Parliaments declared support to the Palestinian UN move.

Maan stated that Palestinian Foreign Minister, Riyad Al-Maliki, is currently on a tour in several African countries, after he concluded a tour in a number of countries in South and Central America, to garner their support.

Several envoys, dispatched by President Mahmoud Abbas, toured a number of countries that could play an essential role in aiding the Palestinians at the United Nations.

Yet, the United States is following the lead of Israel in opposing the Palestinian move, and is waving its veto power to topple it.

The US claims statehood can only be achieved through negotiations, but the ongoing Israeli violations, construction and expansion of settlements, especially in Jerusalem, and its rejection to recognize the legitimate Palestine rights to liberation and independence, cast legitimate doubts on Israel’s intention to achieve a just and a comprehensive peace agreement with the Palestinians.

Israel is trying to seek full normalization with the Arab world before a final peace agreement is reached with Israel.

In 2002, the Arab League held a summit in Beirut, headed by then Crown Prince, current King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, and presented the Arab Peace Initiative. The same initiative was endorsed, one again, during the Riyadh Summit of the Arab League in 2007.

The initiative offered full normalization between the entire Arab World and Israel, in exchange for a full Israeli withdrawal from the Palestinian and Arab territories occupied by Israel in 1967; this includes occupied East Jerusalem, the capital of the future Palestinian State.

<a class="category-text" href="http://www.imemc.org/newswire/international">international | international politics | news report saed at imemc dot org

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^^^ David Irving

^^^ MARTIN BRENNAN, click here.

[SS-18 ICBM]

Anti Semitic refers to Jews.

Are you really as stupid as your internet persona? How many dictionaries do you require in order for you to empty your head of your fictional beliefs?

Click here.

Semite - a member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Middle East and northern Africa

Caucasian, White, White person - a member of the Caucasoid race

Babylonian - an inhabitant of ancient Babylon

Chaldaean, Chaldean, Chaldee - an inhabitant of ancient Chaldea

Assyrian - an inhabitant of ancient Assyria

Phoenician - a member of an ancient Semitic people who dominated trade in the first millennium B.C.

Arab, Arabian - a member of a Semitic people originally from the Arabian peninsula and surrounding territories who speaks Arabic and who inhabits much of the Middle East and northern Africa

Aramaean, Aramean - a member of one of a group of Semitic peoples inhabiting Aram and parts of Mesopotamia from the 11th to the 8th century BC

Canaanite - a member of an ancient Semitic people who occupied Canaan before it was conquered by the Israelites

Semite - of or relating to or characteristic of Semites; "Semite peoples"

[Pink Freud]

1353148616[/url]' post='6813760']

No, I Mean insults. for that is What you have resorted to. I suppose the EU threads, the Climate thread, and the politics threads have too many awkward questions for you to hang around, so I can see Why you hang around here to dish out your insults. What next? Are you going to propose mass deportation to Jordan as a solution?

That's pathetic. He's owned you on this. Other threads and insults are mere whataboutery, and you know it.

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^^^ Reynard alias or one of his colleagues from his job club, imo.

[Pink Freud]

1353158615[/url]' post='6814108']

^^^ Reynard alias or one of his colleagues from his job club, imo.

Aye, that'll be it. Another wee conspiracy theory to paste on your tin foil hat.

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Aye, that'll be it. Another wee conspiracy theory to paste on your tin foil hat.

The entire world is a conspiracy theory, don't you ever forget that Reynard alias (or one of his job club colleagues).

[Pink Freud]

1353159809[/url]' post='6814145']

The entire world is a conspiracy theory, don't you ever forget that Reynard alias (or one of his job club colleagues).

I hate it when I'm found out. A secrecy blanket will now be imposed on this thread. You'll be hearing a knock at the door shortly missile boy. I'd get to the basement sharpish.

[SS-18 ICBM]

I hate it when I'm found out. A secrecy blanket will now be imposed on this thread. You'll be hearing a knock at the door shortly missile boy. I'd get to the basement sharpish.

I think you should cut down on your daily consumption of hallucinogenic's little Pinky.

[T_S_A_R]

What about the leadership of The PLO, I notice you skated round THOSE comments too? I'll stick it back on here for your benefit.

"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".

- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -

Your "leader of Palestine" was a British bloke who was administering a British territory. He wasn't the leader of a country. You don't seem to be aware of the difference. Which pretty much leaves your views on the subject, fucked. Did you ever get around to naming the leaders of Palestine prior to Herbie? Who were they again?

you've quoted a guy who died in 1979 with no details of when the quote was given or if he was a pan arabist. you have also conveniently left out the rest of his quote from the wikipedia page.

The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity.

A separate Palestinian entity needs to fight for the national interest in the then remaining occupied territories. The Jordanian government cannot speak for Palestinians in Israel, Lebanon or Syria. Jordan is a state with specific borders. It cannot lay claim on - for instance - Haifa or Jaffa, while I AM entitled to Haifa, Jaffa, Jerusalem en Beersheba. Jordan can only speak for Jordanians and the Palestinians in Jordan. The Palestinian state would be entitled to represent all Palestinians in the Arab world en elsewhere. Once we have accomplished all of our rights in all of Palestine, we shouldn't postpone the unification of Jordan and Palestine for one second.

the idea of the nation state and the borders drawn in that region are western constructs and the arabs in that area have had to adapt to systems and methods of identifications posed on them mainly by the british, the french and the usa led united nations.

this is not a dispute about identity it's an a dispute about territory although it's no suprise that a group of people who delude themselves with an abrahamic creation myth and cling to a laughable combination of religion and race would seek to turn it into one.

what can't be denied is that the massive amount of jews from poland, lithuania, ukraine, russia and other parts of europe who moved to the middle east and assumed the identity of israelis had no connection to the land and no right to be there beyond the mandate of oppressive colonial nations. arab land being given up as compensation for european crimes is a travesty that is sadly unlikely to be reversed , allowing and enabling israel to continue to steal land and oppress the arab peoples of the area is completely immoral.

[Pink Freud]

1353160354[/url]' post='6814163']

I think you should cut down on your daily consumption of hallucinogenic's little Pinky.

Irony doesn't even start to cover that post.

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Irony doesn't even start to cover that post.

On you go then, continue...

[Reynard]

Here is a copy of a memorandum presented to the British cabinet by British MP, aristocrat and well known Jew ,Herbert Samuel. Who, according to XBL became a great leader of the nation of Palestine It's fair old read but worth the trouble. This memorandum pre dates the Balfour agreement of 1917.

The Future of Palestine

The course of events opens a prospect of a change, at the end of the war, in the status of Palestine. Already there is a stirring among the twelve million Jews scattered throughout the countries of the world. A feeling is spreading with great rapidity that now, at last, some advance may be made, in some way, towards the fulfilment of the hope and desire, held with unshakable tenacity for eighteen hundred years, for the restoration of the Jews to the land to which they are attached by ties almost as ancient as history itself.

Yet it is felt that the time is not ripe for the establishment there of an independent, autonomous Jewish State. Such increase of population as there has been in Palestine in recent years has been composed, indeed, mostly of Jewish immigrants; the new Jewish agricultural colonies already number about 15,000 souls; in Jerusalem itself two-thirds of the inhabitants are Jews; but in the country, as a whole, they still probably do not number more than about one-sixth of the population.

If the attempt were made to place the 400,000 or 500,000 Mahommedans of Arab race under a Government which rested upon the support of 90,000 or 100,000 Jewish inhabitants, there can be no assurance that such a Government, even if established by the authority of the Powers, would be able to command obedience. The dream of a Jewish State, prosperous, progressive, and the home of a brilliant civilisation, might vanish in a series of squalid conflicts with the Arab population. And even if a State so constituted did succeed in avoiding or repressing internal disorder, it is doubtful whether it would be strong enough to protect itself from external aggression from the turbulent elements around it. To attempt to realise the aspiration of a Jewish State one century too soon might throw back its actual realisation from many centuries more.

I am assured that the solution of the problem of Palestine which would be much the most welcome to the leaders and supporters of the Zionist movement throughout the world would be the annexation of the country to the British Empire. I believe that the solution would be cordially welcome also to the greater number of Jews who have not hitherto been interested in the Zionist movement. It is hoped that under British rule facilities would be given to Jewish organisations to purchase land, to found colonies, to establish educational and religious institutions, and to spend usefully the funds that would be freely contributed for promoting the economic development of the country. It is hoped also that Jewish immigration, carefully regulated, would be given preference so that in course of time the Jewish people, grown into a majority and settled in the land, may be conceded such degree of self-government as the conditions of that day may justify.

It would, no doubt, be necessary to establish an extra-territorial regime for the Christian sacred sites, and to vest their possession and control in an international commission, in which France, on behalf of the Catholic Church, and Russia, on behalf of the Greek Church, would have leading voices. It would be desirable also that the Mahommedan sacred sites should be declared inviolable, and probably that the Governor's council should include one or more Mahommedans, whose presence would be a guarantee that Mahommedan interests would be safe-guarded.

From the standpoint of British interests there are several arguments for this policy, if wider considerations should allow it to be pursued:-

1. It would enable England to fulfil in yet another sphere her historic part of civiliser of the backward countries. Under the Turk, Palestine has been blighted. For hundreds of years she has produced neither men nor things useful to the world. Her native population is sunk in squalor. Roads, harbours, irrigation, sanitation, are neglected. Almost the only signs of agricultural or industrial vitality are to be found in the Jewish and, on a smaller scale, in the German colonies. Corruption is universal in the administration and in the judiciary. The Governors, who follow one another in rapid succession, are concerned only with the amount of money they can squeeze out of the country to send to Constantinople. Under British administration all this will be quickly changed. The country will be redeemed. What has been done in Egypt will be repeated here, and the knowledge of this would make many of the present inhabitants not merely acquiesce, but rejoice, in the change. The British Agent in Egypt recently reported (on the 7th January) that the information of the Intelligence Department there indicated that a large proportion of the population would welcome a British occupation. There have been many previous indications of the same feeling. The Turkish officials are foreigners in the country. Of Turkish population there is none. England should assume control, because by that means she can forward the purpose for which, at bottom, her Empire in the tropics and sub-tropics exists.

2. The British Empire, with its present vastness and prosperity, has little addition to its greatness left to win. But Palestine, small as it is in area, bulks so large in the world's imagination, that no Empire is so great but its prestige would be raised by its possession. The inclusion of Palestine within the British Empire would add a lustre even to the British Crown. It would make a most powerful appeal to the people of the United Kingdom and the Dominions, particularly if it were avowedly a means of aiding the Jews to reoccupy the country. Widespread and deep-rooted in the Protestant world is a sympathy with the idea of restoring the Hebrew people to the land which was to be their inheritance, and intense interest in the fulfilment of the prophecies which have foretold it. The redemption also of the Christian Holy Places from the vulgarisation to which they are now subject, and the opening of the Holy Land, more easily than hitherto, to the visits of Christian travellers, would add to the appeal which this policy would make to the British peoples. There is probably no outcome of the war which would give greater satisfaction to powerful sections of British opinion.

3. The importance that would be attached to this annexation by British opinion would help to facilitate a wise settlement of another of the problems which will result from the war. Although Great Britain did not enter the conflict with any purpose of territorial expansion, being in it and having made immense sacrifices, there would be profound disappointment in the country if the outcome were to be the securing of great advantages by our allies, and none by ourselves. But to strip Germany of her colonies for the benefit of England would leave a permanent feeling of such intense bitterness among the German people as to render such a course impolitic. We have to live in the same world with 70,000,000 Germans, and we should take care to give as little justification as we can for the hatching, ten, twenty, or thirty years hence, of a German war of revenge. Certain of the German colonies must no doubt be retained for strategic reasons. But if Great Britain can obtain the compensations, which public opinion will demand, in Mesopotamia and Palestine, and not in German East Africa and West Africa, there is more likelihood of a lasting peace.

4. The belt of desert to the east of the Suez Canal is an admirable strategic frontier for Egypt. But it would be an inadequate defence if a great European Power were established on the further side. A military expedition organised from Southern Palestine, and including the laying of a railway from El Arish to the Canal, would be formidable. Palestine in British hands would itself no doubt be open to attack, and would bring with it extended military responsibilities. But the mountainous character of the country would make its occupation by an enemy difficult, and while this outpost was being contested time would be given to allow the garrison of Egypt to be increased and the defences to be stengthened. A common frontier with a European neighbour in the Lebanon is a far smaller risk to the vital interests of the British Empire than a common frontier at El Arish.

5. The course which is advocated would win for England the lasting gratitude of the Jews throughout the world. In the United States, where they number about 2,000,000, and in all the other lands where they are scattered, they would form the body of opinion whose bias, where the interest of the country of which they were citizens was not involved, would be favourable to the British Empire. Just as the wise policy of England towards Greece in the early part of the nineteenth century, and towards Italy in the middle of the nineteenth century, has secured for this country ever since the goodwill of the Greeks and the Italians, wherever they may be, so help given now towards the attainment of the ideal which the Jews have never ceased to cherish through so many centuries of suffering, cannot fail to secure, into a far-distant future, the devoted gratitude of a whole race, whose goodwill, in time to come, may not be without its value.

What are the alternatives?

(a.) Annexation by France.- French interests, which in Northern Syria are considerable, in Palestine are small. A French company owns the railway of 54 miles from Jaffa to Jerusalem, but that interest could doubtless be bought out for no large sum. Beyond that there is little. There are French monastic establishments, but few French residents elsewhere. The Egyptian Intelligence Department report, which has already been quoted, is to the effect that a French annexation would be unwelcome to the Jews. If, as the outcome of the war, France recovers Alsace and Lorraine, and obtains the greater part of Syria, including Beirout and Damascus, she ought not to grudge to Great Britain Mesopotamia and Palestine. Her ancient protectorate of Catholic interests in the East would be continued by her leadership in the International Commission which would control the Holy Places.

(b.) Internationalisation.- To establish a Government composed of representatives of all the Powers would be to lay the country under a dead hand. Continuous disagreements would be inevitable, and would result in nothing being done for the development of the land and the progress of the people. Besides, a status which was in form international would give an opportunity for the gradual permeation of the country by German influence. Already Germany has been very active in Palestine. She has spent considerable sums of money there with a view to increasing her influence. She has founded a bank, agricultural colonies, schools, hospitals. After the war, shut out, to a great extent, from the Far East and other parts of the globe, she may well concentrate a part of her energies on Palestine. In twenty years' time Egypt's neighbour, ostensibly internationalised, may have become so permeated by German influence as to furnish a strong case from German control, whenever the cumbrous form of government shall have patently broken down, and whenever another revision of the map of Western Asia takes place. An international regime has invariably been a transition stage to something else. While it lasts it is a theatre of intrigue in which some or all of the controlling countries seek to prepare Claims against the day when the change which is foreseen shall come. In this case it may prove to be a stepping-stone to a German protectorate. Such an eventuality would be as dangerous to France in Northern Syria as to England in Egypt.

(c.) Annexation to Egypt.- Incorporation within the British Empire by this indirect method may be found necessary for the sake of conciliating Mahommedan sentiment in India and Egypt. The constitution of a Greater Egypt would probably be very acceptable to Sultan Hussein and his Mahommedan subjects. But this policy would introduce complications in the administration of the country, without, it would seem, advantages sufficient to counterbalance them. Nor is it certain that the arrangement would be preferred by Arabs. In the eyes of the Jews, it would offer a much less strong appeal than would the possibility of the growth of a Jewish State under the direct suzerainty of Great Britain.

(d.) To leave the country to Turkey, but with some guarantees for improved government and greater facilities for Jewish colonisation.- To devise such guarantees and to make them effective would be a matter of extreme difficulty, as the whole of the modern history of the Turkish Empire has shown. It is probable that the adoption of such a policy would leave the situation substantially unimproved. Whether it would in any case be practiable would depend upon the disposition, after the war, of the territories to the north and east.

The gradual growth of considerable Jewish community, under British suzerainty, in Palestine will not solve the Jewish question in Europe. A country the size of Wales, much of it barren mountain and part of it waterless, cannot hold 9,000,000 people. But it could probably hold in time 3,000,000 or 4,000,000, and some relief would be given to the pressure in Russia and elsewhere. Far more important would be the effect upon the character of the larger part of the Jewish race who must still remain intermingled with other peoples, to be a strength or to be a weakness to the countries in which they live. Let a Jewish centre be established in Palestine; let it achieve, as I believe it would achieve, a spiritual and intellectual greatness; and insensibly, but inevitably, the character of the individual Jew, wherever he might be, would be ennobled. The sordid associations which have attached to the Jewish name would be sloughed off, and the value of the Jews as an element in the civilisation of the European peoples would be enhanced.

The Jewish brain is a physiological product not to be despised. For fifteen centuries the race produced in Palestine a constant succession of great men - statesmen and prophets, judges and soldiers. If a body be again given in which its soul can lodge, it may again enrich the world. Till full scope is granted, as Macaulay said in the House of Commons, "let us not presume to say that there is no genius among the countrymen of Isaiah, no heroism among the descendants of the Maccabees."

H.S. January 1915

This man, according to supporter of all things Palestinian, was the leader of a country called Palestine. I doubt he could have been more horribly wrong if he tried. You can see from this memorandum that Mr Samuel really did have the Palestinian people (who never existed) in his uppermost thoughts at all times.

[T_S_A_R]

This man, according to supporter of all things Palestinian, was the leader of a country called Palestine. I doubt he could have been more horribly wrong if he tried. You can see from this memorandum that Mr Samuel really did have the Palestinian people (who never existed) in his uppermost thoughts at all times.

the idea of a palestinian people didn't have to exist until britain and france started splitting the land into their own interests and european jews started making claims to areas of arab lands.

they have adapted to a system forced upon them by successive oppressors and again the issue is one of territory not identity. it doesn't matter what the arabs on this land called themselves, it was settled arab land for hundreds and hundreds of years.

Edited November 17, 2012 by T_S_A_R