Gnash Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 What would any one of us do to protect the ground under our feet?I've never had my front door kicked in by soldiers and my whole family resettled, if i did and fought back would i be a terrorist? No, but if you fired rockets at civilians in the soldiers' country, or blew yourself up on a bus in that country, you would be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Not the land it took in 1967. The land it took as a result of defensive action after being attacked? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stimpy Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 No, but if you fired rockets at civilians in the soldiers' country, or blew yourself up on a bus in that country, you would be. So bomber Harris and the R.A.F are terrorists? How many soldiers died in Dresden? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centre Stand Hero Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 So bomber Harris and the R.A.F are terrorists? How many soldiers died in Dresden? Errr, yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnash Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 So bomber Harris and the R.A.F are terrorists? How many soldiers died in Dresden? If they deliberately targeted civilians I'd say yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stimpy Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Errr, yes. I was trying to point out the inequalities here, you know one mans terrorist and all that, both are the same but one was given medals the other branded terrorist group that needs to be wiped out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stimpy Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 If they deliberately targeted civilians I'd say yes. Very little of Dresden remained standing after the 1000 bomber raid so what do you think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centre Stand Hero Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Very little of Dresden remained standing after the 1000 bomber raid so what do you think. It was a war crime. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I was trying to point out the inequalities here, you know one mans terrorist and all that, both are the same but one was given medals the other branded terrorist group that needs to be wiped out. what are you trying to point out making comparisions from a war 70 years ago??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Hard to have any sympathy for Hamas at all to be honest. Feel for the civilians on both sides though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 what are you trying to point out making comparisions from a war 70 years ago??? Given Ahmedinijad's 'Holocaust denial' being brought up on the other thread that's a bit ironic. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Given Ahmedinijad's 'Holocaust denial' being brought up on the other thread that's a bit ironic. by who??i cannae remember another thread on it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=97971 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centralparker Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Very little of Dresden remained standing after the 1000 bomber raid so what do you think. Aye that was shocking, firebombing civilians in a nation that was already on its knees. Where was the military value in that? A bit like knocking someone down in a square go then putting the boot in to finish them off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 cheers, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Given Ahmedinijad's 'Holocaust denial' being brought up on the other thread that's a bit ironic. sorry i cannae see the irony 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 (edited) sorry i cannae see the irony We appesr more than capable to apply WWII references and history when it suits 'The West' to do so, but when we look at our own flaws we don't follow the same method. Look at the outcry over the rapes of Berlin in 1945 from them big bad Russians. I don't think we - or our proxy states - can hold any sort of moral high ground if we can't look at our own war crimes and admit our mistakes. Churchill would have fought the Germans on the beaches using poison gas. Where does the legtimacy for the action end? Edited January 2, 2009 by vikingTON -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 We appesr more than capable to apply WWII references and history when it suits 'The West' to do so, but when we look at our own flaws we don't follow the same method. Look at the outcry over the rapes of Berlin in 1945 from them big bad Russians. I don't think we - or our proxy states - can hold any sort of moral high ground if we can't look at our own war crimes and admit our mistakes. Churchill would have fought the Germans on the beaches using poison gas. Where does the legtimacy for the action end? fair point,i was implying that in ww2 to nowadays the technology has improved,ie can better pinpoint targets 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Given Ahmedinijad's 'Holocaust denial' being brought up on the other thread that's a bit ironic. Surely the ambivelent attitude taken by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad towards Holocaust denial is relevant to a thread discussing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Certainly of a greater relevance to that subject than a discussion on the merits or otherwise of bombing Dresden has to this thread. Interesting that the two subjects should come up though. I believe David Irving usually puts the two together when faced with condemnation for his own Holocaust denial. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 fair point,i was implying that in ww2 to nowadays the technology has improved,ie can better pinpoint targets Dresden wasn't about misguided weaponry though, it was the cold-blooded aim to bomb the Germans out of the war, although under the cover of it being a railway interchange for the Eastern Front. I'm sure Israel isn't attacking with the exact same intent but they don't tend to cover themselves in glory each time they hit a school with their missiles. Always a school... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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