adam4267 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) There are no medical grounds for giving contraception injections ,some long acting (sterilisation )to women without their knowledge. As for religions that are not allowed into Israel....(unless you are Jewish of course you are by law gaurenteed entry) The Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (Temporary Order) 5763 is an Israeli law first passed on 31 July 2003 and most recently extended in June 2008.[1] The law makes citizens of Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, the West Bank and Gaza Strip ineligible for the automatic granting of Israeli citizenship and residency permits that is usually available through marriage to an Israeli citizen (i.e. family reunification). So according to you, this act (which is only applicable to a family whose husband is under 35 or a wife under 25 years old) is the same as "only allowing people of a certain religion" to come to the country. To you, Israel having stricter controls on immigration from countries which have declared war on it is exactly the same as "only allowing people of a certain religion" to come to the country. You do realise that most of these people aren't actually allowed into Israel anyway. As many countries passports bear the script "This passport is valid for all countries of the world except Israel" (Pakistan, Malaysia etc) Why don't you have a look at a map of countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_that_reject_Israeli_passports.png) that don't allow someone with an Israeli passport in (17 of them) and the countries that won't even allow someone who has a stamp from Israel on their passport in ( 8 ). But of course Israel is the apartheid state with racist immigration policies in your mind. It always will be no matter what the facts are. Edited August 9, 2014 by adam4267 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 So according to you, this act (which is only applicable to a family whose husband is under 35 or a wife under 25 years old) is the same as "only allowing people of a certain religion" to come to the country. To you, Israel having stricter controls on immigration from countries which have declared war on it is exactly the same as "only allowing people of a certain religion" to come to the country. You do realise that most of these people aren't actually allowed into Israel anyway. As many countries passports bear the script "This passport is valid for all countries of the world except Israel" (Pakistan, Malaysia etc) Why don't you have a look at a map of countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_that_reject_Israeli_passports.png) that don't allow someone with an Israeli passport in (17 of them) and the countries that won't even allow someone who has a stamp from Israel on their passport in ( 8 ). But of course Israel is the apartheid state with racist immigration policies in your mind. It always will be no matter what the facts are. ...and none of those countries on the list are democracies, just like Israel there all backward bigoted sectarian dumps....cheers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 ...and none of those countries on the list are democracies, just like Israel there all backward bigoted sectarian dumps....cheers Sounds more like Celtic Park tbh. Oh and Pakistan is the world's fifth largest democracy... cheers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) Sounds more like Celtic Park tbh. Oh and Pakistan is the world's fifth largest democracy... cheers. pakistan a democray? Its first ever legal transfer of power was a few month ago ffs! As for the countries that israel (non religiously) bans from entry , why are Jewish people from them welcomed ..nay have a legal right to come to israel? eta the Celtic bit was quite good il give you that one. Edited August 9, 2014 by THE KING 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Says it all 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 pakistan a democray? Its first ever legal transfer of power was a few month ago ffs! As for the countries that israel (non religiously) bans from entry , why are Jewish people from them welcomed ..nay have a legal right to come to israel? eta the Celtic bit was quite good il give you that one. There are hardly any Jews in these countries anymore. There were 800,000+ Jews in Arab and Muslim countries in 1947 and now there are less than 30,000 Says it all Do Hamas want an immediate ceasefire? Pretty sure they refused to accept 3 ceasefires before finally accepting a fourth and then launching rockets into Israel immediately after it ended. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) There are hardly any Jews in these countries anymore. There were 800,000+ Jews in Arab and Muslim countries in 1947 and now there are less than 30,000 Do Hamas want an immediate ceasefire? Pretty sure they refused to accept 3 ceasefires before finally accepting a fourth and then launching rockets into Israel immediately after it ended. the last ceasefire was the only one that worked because as I said before it, it was the only one Hamas agreed to.And they didnt refuse a ceasefire , both sides failed to agree on an extension after the 72 hrs. the ceasefire before that Israel admited they bomed gaza after it started (google it) And the one before that Israel claimed Hamas broke it by using a suicide bomber and kidnapping an IDF soldier , again Israel admitted there was no kidnap (google it) Hamas has only agreed to 1 ceasefire which was the last one that lasted. A planned 72-hour truce in the Gaza Strip fell apart just hours after it was implemented on Friday morning as both sides accused the other of instigating the violence. "We suspect that a group of Hamas terrorists, including a suicide attacker, kidnapped 2nd.Lt. Goldin at 9:30am and dragged him into a tunnel," the Israeli army said on its official Twitter account on Friday. Hadar Goldin, 23, from Kfar Saba, was captured by Palestinian fighters during clashes in the southern part of the territory, an Israeli military spokesman said. However, in a statement by the Israeli army, a special committee led by the army's chief rabbi announced on Sunday that Goldin had died during a battle in Gaza. There was no government word on the whereabouts of the soldier's remains. Edited August 9, 2014 by THE KING 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 the last ceasefire was the only one that worked because as I said before it, it was the only one Hamas agreed to. And they didnt refuse a ceasefire , both sides failed to agree on an extension after the 72 hrs. the ceasefire before that Israel admited they bomed gaza after it started (google it) And the one before that Israel claimed Hamas broke it by using a suicide bomber and kidnapping an IDF soldier , again Israel admitted there was no kidnap (google it) Hamas has only agreed to 1 ceasefire which was the last one that lasted. A planned 72-hour truce in the Gaza Strip fell apart just hours after it was implemented on Friday morning as both sides accused the other of instigating the violence. "We suspect that a group of Hamas terrorists, including a suicide attacker, kidnapped 2nd.Lt. Goldin at 9:30am and dragged him into a tunnel," the Israeli army said on its official Twitter account on Friday. Hadar Goldin, 23, from Kfar Saba, was captured by Palestinian fighters during clashes in the southern part of the territory, an Israeli military spokesman said. However, in a statement by the Israeli army, a special committee led by the army's chief rabbi announced on Sunday that Goldin had died during a battle in Gaza. There was no government word on the whereabouts of the soldier's remains. So do Hamas want an immediate ceasefire? Or is that picture incorrect? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 So do Hamas want an immediate ceasefire? Or is that picture incorrect?yes hamas wanted a ceasefire extension but Israel said no to theyre crazy demands, here they are , what maniacs... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Of course Hamas don't want a ceasefire. They're prepared to fight to the last Palestinian. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) Of course Hamas don't want a ceasefire. They'ared to fight to the last Palestinian.is that why the only one that held was the only one they agreed to?Israel is notorious for breaking ceasefires but dont take my word take the UNs over the last 60years ...oh wait they're all anti semetic as well.. http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/01/27/rogue-state-israeli-violations-of-u-n-security-council-resolutions/ Mandela... When in 1977, the United Nations passed the resolution inaugurating the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian people, it was asserting the recognition that injustice and gross human rights violations were being perpetrated in Palestine. In the same period, the UN took a strong stand against apartheid; and over the years, an international consensus was built, which helped to bring an end to this iniquitous system. But we know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians. Edited August 9, 2014 by THE KING 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 As for religions that are not allowed into Israel....(unless you are Jewish of course you are by law gaurenteed entry). If this is a stupid question then I'll just blame the booze, but what's to stop somebody simply claiming that they're a Jew (and revising the basics of Judaism to pass any potential test if need be) to get into the country??? Do they need a signed certificate off of a recognised Rabbi or something? Surely religion is no different to the football team you support in the manner that you can chop and choose absolutely anything... unlike nationality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 is that why the only one that held was the only one they agreed to? Israel is notorious for breaking ceasefires but dont take my word take the UNs over the last 60years ...oh wait they're all anti semetic as well.. http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/01/27/rogue-state-israeli-violations-of-u-n-security-council-resolutions/ Mandela... When in 1977, the United Nations passed the resolution inaugurating the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian people, it was asserting the recognition that injustice and gross human rights violations were being perpetrated in Palestine. In the same period, the UN took a strong stand against apartheid; and over the years, an international consensus was built, which helped to bring an end to this iniquitous system. But we know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians. Do Hamas want a conditional ceasefire or an immediate ceasefire? Your first picture seemed to suggest that it was only Israel the UK and US that didn't want an immediate ceasefire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 You may be asked to show your bell end. "Yes, I circumnavigated half the globe to get here. That's what you asked, right?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Do Hamas want a conditional ceasefire or an immediate ceasefire? Your first picture seemed to suggest that it was only Israel the UK and US that didn't want an immediate ceasefire. thats because hamas isnt a country so ..eh..no flag on that picture? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) If this is a stupid question then I'll just blame the booze, but what's to stop somebody simply claiming that they're a Jew (and revising the basics of Judaism to pass any potential test if need be) to get into the country??? Do they need a signed certificate off of a recognised Rabbi or something? Surely religion is no different to the football team you support in the manner that you can chop and choose absolutely anything... unlike nationality. itd be on your birth cert , if its not youd need to be married to one etc....or sit their "non racist bigot test" http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/magazine/02jewishness-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 Edited August 9, 2014 by THE KING 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 thats because hamas isnt a country so ..eh..no flag on that picture? Is there not a Palestinian flag? Did Glasgow City Council not fly that yesterday? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) itd be on your birth cert , if its not youd need to be married to one etc.... So if you're born and your parents choose your religion for you which is documented before you've stopped crying then that's fair game. If you actually think about it and decide that Judaism is the religion for you then it's not? Sounds fair. Or is this actually beyond religion and pre-Israel (or even now???), being a Jew was effectively an unofficial nationality linked by blood rather than just a religion as we would think of it today? If it was the latter, I could turn Jewish right now if I wanted to. Edited August 9, 2014 by Hedgecutter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 So if you're born and your parents choose your religion for you which is documented before you've stopped crying then that's fair game. If you actually think about it and decide that Judaism is the religion for you then it's not? Sounds fair. Or is this actually beyond religion and pre-Israel (or even now???), being a Jew was effectively an unofficial nationality linked by blood rather than just a religion as we would think of it today? If it was the latter, I could turn Jewish right now if I wanted to. True , heres a bit from a isreal immigration forum.... Added on: September 22nd, 2005 Ok, I don't understand what you're looking for here. 1. If you want to go to Israel, go. You don't need to be a Jew to go to Israel. If you want a free trip based on your religion, you're NOT Jewish as of now. You weren't raised Jewish. 2. IF your family is ethnically Jewish, you need to go back down your family tree and find proof of that besides your last name. Somewhere in the USA or the world is a synagogue with records of your ancestors as members. If any male was circumsized by a Moil, that record will be kept as well, since that is when the Jewish names are given. It is all recorded. If you have no records of any Jewish affiliation for your ancestors, then you need to do this. You need to see Reform Rabbi (who may be more sympathic to your plight) and explain your case. He'll tell you how to proceed with your search. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Is there not a Palestinian flag? Did Glasgow City Council not fly that yesterday? the picture was UN member states idiot?! And yes there is a Palestinian flag , but Israel and its apologist s dont regognise it, that would be tantamount to admiting it was a state! And they woulndt be able to refer to it as a "territory"or "disputed land" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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