7-2

Atlantic League is indeed a non starter but I'm sure it's more than co-incidence it suddenly rears it head again in a Glasgow paper just before a meeting of the non OF clubs to discuss how to take control of the SPL away from the bigot brothers.

The possibility of an Atlantic League involving Celtic, Rangers, other Scottish clubs and outfits from the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Portugal and Belgium is back on the agenda after positive indications from Uefa president Michel Platini, the governing body having previously been opposed to the idea. (Sunday Herald) What a surprise. It's this week the 'Gang of 10' meet isn't it?

I see nothing wrong in using first team squad players and older youth players together in a second team. They're obviously already on the books so no additional cost there. Clubs are playing bounce games most weeks anyway so I don't see any big additional travel cost either. I really just think the only think holding back introducing public games for second teams is the will to do it.

What additional costs to a clubs current expenditure would be involved in restarting a reserve league HJ?

People in the media in talking total, complete and utter shite to sound knowledgeable shocker.

People on internet forum in talking shite to sound knowledgeable shocker.

No. No. No. Nothing in Scottish football should ever feature 9-3 ever again.

Why over 5 years? That would mean nothing, especially if its a points deduction, other than hand you the title for 5 years running. Any penalty should be applied in one go no matter how severe. Not that you can call a wrap over the knuckles and a timid 'please don't do it again' severe.

If they introduce SPL 2 it means there will be division below the SPL Rangers 1690 can actually be put into.

Already have. I would guess only Thompson would likely vote against so its a landslide win for the bigots, surprise surprise.

"Therefore gentlemen, we are all agreed, WE run the SPL we way WE want from now on, not the way THEY want. Right, who's going to tell them." "You tell them" "No, you tell them" "Not me. You tell them" "I'm no tellin them. You tell em" "I'm busy. You tell them" "My dogs sick. You tell them" "Come to think of it, I like things the way they are. Same again?" "Sounds good to me. I'll tell them" "No, I'll tell them" "Hey, I want to tell them" "No way. I'm telling them" "I never wanted change anyway"

Maybe, but sadly most of us know it's going to end up as The bigots are dead. Long live the bigots

SPL clubs used to only be allowed to ground share with other SPL clubs which is why Inverness had to use Aberdeen instead of McDiarmid, their first choice, as we were still in the First Division at the time. If Rangers 1690 couldn't use Hampden, are there any other SPL clubs in Glasgow with a ground big enough for 45000 supporters they could share?

Celtic could be left isolated with no OF partner to gang up with against the rest. The school bully left friendless when his little gang of chums finally see through him and join the rest of the class to alienate him.

Some sense from an establishment suit at last.

This is obviously an area we shall just have to agree to disagree HJ., As for the price worth paying. We can't afford not to pay it.

The Red Knights were going to buy out Man Utd from the Glazers. Once again it's just Scotland copying England.

I've been saying something along these lines too. The bigot brothers cream off so much of the income we get that the drop to most clubs won't lead to the long term doom and gloom scenario that is spouted by the short sighted. Scottish football will die with the OF, not without them.

So, how would they vote? I'd guess- Ralph Topping (SPL Chairman)...For Rangers Neil Doncaster (SPL Chief Executive)...For Rangers Eric Riley (Celtic FC)...For Rangers Stephen Thompson (Dundee United FC)...Against Rangers Derek Weir (Motherwell FC)...For Rangers Steven Brown (St Johnstone FC)...For Rangers, embarrassingly. We're definitely fucked.

Dont forget this lot are online. You are reading the work of the intelligent ones. Imagine the mindset of the tens of thousands that are too thick to use a computer.

I had to work this afternoon...almost impossible to back track and keep up! What's the answer to my little poser???

This 'there must be 4 OF league games' bit in the Sky deal. What happens if Rangers actually are liquidated and aren't around to complete the 4th bigotfest this season or one of the OF finished in the bottom 6 during a normal league season? No matter how unlikely it would have looked at the time of drawing up the contract, surely Sky would have included some sort of get out clause, just in case.

I know they're only sound bites, but they really just confirm our fears that there will be absolutely no change to Scottish football as we diddies continue to put short term, leaching off the OF before the long term good of the game. Scottish football = Plus ca change. Very depressing.

They need the money so a proper sponsor's needed. THE KENWOOD TROPHY

It's purely back of a beer mat stuff I agree but I still feel that the sums involved show that it's nonsense about us needing an OF to survive. Some clubs will need to have a lean few years to get their budgets in line but there is no reason at all why life without the bigot brothers is not feasible. In fact it's essential for Scottish football to survive. However the small minded, short sighted Chairmen will simply take the easy way out and ensure Rangers 1690 will be back in the SPL with minimum delay, normal service resumed and a few more nails knocked in the game's coffin.