LongTimeLurker

You can tell people have lost contact with rationality over this, if they only show the new cases curve that fits their alarmist narrative and neglect to provide the daily deaths curve and ignore what's happening in countries like Sweden and Belarus that didn't do UK style lockdowns.

Nights out in pubs could easily have been the main issue in that context. Please stop pretending that football is high risk and that every player testing positive at the moment is doing so because of being at a training session or a game outdoors. The schools re-opening led to much bigger convergences of previously more socially isolated families in a much riskier indoor setting in a way that spreads things back to parents. Many people involved with football will have primary school aged children. When schools, pubs etc were opened up some people who missed it the first time around because of the lockdown finally got their turn to be exposed to the virus. There are plenty of indications that the "second wave" is already peaking or will do so soon because the virus eventually runs out of people to infect as herd immunity builds. A postponed season could look very silly by January.

There is zero chance you could ever conclusively prove someone got infected in the manner initially described.

....and a Rossvale youth team coach (the guy who used to play for Benburb, bestslicedbread?), says he has been told by people on the committee of three (?) clubs that they will be putting in EoS entry applications this season. Doubt he's making that up. Only a matter of time until it all goes tits up due to lack of numbers and any clubs pondering licensing applications will know that.

You are moving the goalposts away from the narrow context of what was being discussed, which was whether Hametoon JFC can be held legally responsible for what happens with COVID on a barrier at their ground. If you want to go down that route, I would question whether the UK's nanny state approach has actually worked relative to the more easy going Swedish sort of approach given the levels of non-compliance. The key is how you get the largest number of people to actually do the sensible things.

Back in the McRae/Regan era it's well documented on here that Auchinleck Talbot were told to join the SoS league to satisfy the extra progression clause or otherwise effectively rejected with no licence. This happened around the same time Kelty were being told to join the EoS league. Some people on here assumed that sort of approach was still applicable even after the SJFA 2018 AGM had voted in favour of pyramid entry and Petrie/Maxwell were actively trying to get the west and east regions in at tier 6 below the LL through the PWG meetings, but that always seemed farfetched to me and the limited Cumnock/Petershill? info that we do have seems to suggest otherwise. The assumption in SFA Board circles would have been that the west region would soon be in at tier 6. It's a moot point in a west coast context now anyway with the emergence of the WoS league. If Whitburn, Bathgate or Armadale tried, it might be interesting to see what happened now that the PWG process has been ended, but chances are the south section of the east region only has another season or two to go before it implodes through lack of numbers.

He doesn't seem to grasp that people are expected to take responsibility for their own welfare on this by regularly washing their hands properly and sanitising. If you have concerns about touching surfaces in any context then always have your own hand sanitiser and some tissues with you. Take the initiative rather than expecting to be wrapped up in cotton wool by other people. Wear a face mask to the extent possible when away from the house, especially in indoors settings (this is where opening pubs is highly questionable relative to something happening outdoors like football, as you inherently need to take a mask off in a riskier indoors setting to be able to drink). None of this is rocket science on how to do what you need to do on a personal level to massively lower your own risks, while also getting out and about.

The hysteria surrounding the "second wave" can only last for as long as the new cases curve is rising in an exponential manner and the tabloid media can fuel people's fears by neglecting to carefully explain that the deaths curve is massively smaller than what was happening back in April and testing is much more effective now. As soon as the new cases curve has passed through a plateau and is starting to consistently drop, the momentum will switch back to a resumption of the process of normalising society. It's too early to be certain but the last 9 days looks like a possible plateau rather than an ongoing exponential rise (big dips seem to coincide with weekends when there may not be as much testing happening, so the trend needs to be over two or three weeks to be sure) where the UK new cases numbers are concerned: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ In a month things could look very different.

in case you hadn't noticed this thread is about the restart of competitive football in a WoS contect. It is politicians who will decide when that happens based on their COVID regulations, because it won't happen without crowds.

Back in August I posted on here that I thought October looked optimistic for a restart and that I wouldn't be surprised if it were January instead because a bit of a second wave was likely on trying to move back closer to normality after a strict lockdown (think schools and unis reopening, for example) and Nicola S has a track record of playing it very safe. Not really interested in some Holyrood vs Westminster argument on this. Small cosmetic changes to what Westminster is doing still makes Holyrood part of one of the worst responses. The only reason the morgues were not overflowing back in April is that the IFR fatality rate turned out to be a lot lower than feared. If it had really been 2% the entire UK would have sleepwalked into disaster.

He's a politician, so of course it's a political decision.

Hopefully they would implement more relaxing of the rules in the aftermath of the short circuit breaker lockdown, but doubt they are serious about really going through with this unilaterally. It's probably mainly about turning irrational hypochondriacs against Westminster and boosting the Yes numbers in opinion polls on independence. We care, he disnae level stuff basically. Boris would probably be advocating much the same if he was on the opposition benches at the moment, so it's just the games that all politicians play. Suspect they'll find something less drastic than a circuit breaker as the point of difference from Westminster, as they won't want to antagonise people that want life to be as normal as possible but need to get them to feel relieved that it wasn't as drastic as what was being floated in the media. The problem we have right now until after the new cases numbers have clearly peaked is that they are unlikely to want to be seen to be opening anything up, which is what is needed to get WoS up and running.

Whatever bud. No idea why you think any of that is relevant.

If the Tories were in power at Holyrood (I definitely don't want this!), it would be Sewel motion after Sewel motion and SG policy very much in lockstep with Westminster's in times of crisis. The SNP inherently want everything to be different from Westminster. It's their whole raison d'etre.

Would it not be that they had played the Shire the previous week, who subsequently had players test positive?

...would be a very fitting epitaph for FWF when the time comes. Good to see there are opt out opportunities without any penalty in an LL context. Really fear for Bo'ness United in that context if Nicola Sturgeon uses lower level football to be different from Boris because crowds do very much matter for them unlike a lot of the clubs they will be up against in an LL context, who have funding models that do not rely on having much of an active fanbase. Too bad Alex Salmond isn't still the SNP head honcho. Not sure to what extent he is a Lithgae Rose fan (have heard Hearts were always more his team) but have been told that some of his immediate family definitely are/were, so if he was still calling the shots it would be a lot easier to get lower level football onto the political radar. The fear with Nicola S is that she sees the current crisis as a way to exact some sort of Scottish housewife's revenge against the football by pushing it way down the list of priorities. As you can see from this forum there are plenty of SNP activists/supporters who will never question any SG decision no matter how illogical and will relentlessly push the party line no matter what, so there probably aren't many political people giving her negative feedback on stuff like this, if she is the key to career advancement.

^^^usually best to just ignore this guy, but just so the thread doesn't get derailed the info I provided in that last post from Cumnock's facebook shows the application for licensing went in when they were still a junior club (probably in late March 2019 given the tweet that is also provided in that post although it doesn't exactly match up with "a few months ago"). There is no basis for believing that the application got rejected at any point. The process is still ongoing, because it sometimes takes a few years to get all the boxes ticked.

Seriously doubt he even goes. Seems to be much more into SNP politics than football.

Hope he gets better soon and can enjoy Talbot games again in the not too distant future.

The Scottish angle is the key to getting the more casual few games a season type fan a reason to actually start giving a Rafael about their local clubs. Strongly suspect the SCC will see finals with WoS or EoS Cup type crowds at best and there will be no extra interest in earlier rounds relative to run of the mill league games. Would you be a regular Camelon fan if the SJC hadn't been the gateway drug that pulled you in?

From what I remember Cumnock announced they had applied on either their facebook or twitter. That clearly didn't fit some people's agenda on here so not surprised you would have heard skepticism expressed about it from some people. https://www.facebook.com/143766672314494/posts/our-sfa-licence-application-was-lodged-a-few-months-ago-and-we-will-be-working-t/3118425571515241/

The future can be whatever the majority of clubs involved want it to be.

There are people who are very keen to push this cup as part of a wider ongoing anti-junior football agenda. Hopefully, now that the vast majority of entrants are teams that were in the Junior Cup until very recently, the tail won't wag the dog for much longer and a way will be found to carry on the traditions of having a national rather than a regional cup as the most prestigious knockout format competition.

How could you possibly prove that's how it happened in a manner that would stand up to scrutiny in a court of law? Your scrambling to find obstacles on this is becoming a wee bit bizarre now.

Things could look very different a month from now if the "second wave" has peaked and has clearly started to decline, so it's better to put things in a holding pattern for a bit.