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Monkey Tennis
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That McCoist piece is a gem.
He actually says that morally, the club should get absolutely hammered.
If even he says it, having just defended his right to actually endanger people involved in reaching a moral decision, there's not much else to be said.
Oh and of course, for any RM visitors, We really, really want your club to die - you deserve it, you ignorant morons.
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I've been around long enough to know that we'll hump Raith
I've been around Palmerston often enough this season to know that we won't.
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Now the dust and anger has settled on an embarrassing defeat , we can logically look at the last two games with a clear head . As things stand , we still have a chance of a play off . Not a great chance but a chance all the same . As long as Ayrs result is matched - or hopefully bettered - this Saturday , we take it down to the last game . A very slender one plus goal difference is still on our side as well . This is not make believe , only pure fact
Yes, I was surprised to see that Ayr's goal difference is now very near ours - at least we had that over them for a while, but losing 5-0, 3-0 and 4-0 in recent weeks doesn't help, I suppose.
The reality is that if we gain three points on them over two games, than it's likely our goal difference will improve against theirs, but not certain.
I know that we are still alive in striving for the play-off, but it doesn't feel like it. I can't see us winning next week. Raith have the incentive of getting safe and we're awful at football.
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Quite agree. In the examples you give, Wimbledon fans had the experience of going from bottom to top in recent memory (although HOW they won that Cup Final I'll never know!), so they're off on the same journey, and loving it, especially as they'll probably be comfortably ensconced above MK Dons in a couple of years. Even Man U (and I'm no fan) had their bad years, including relegation to Division 2 in the 70s - coincidentally, spending that season in the same league as York City for the only time. Man U in a league game at Bootham Crescent - we won't see that again!
rangers, on the other hand, have been, especially in the last three decades, at or near the top of the Scottish game, and have pulled away (with their business partners) while weakening the competition. They talk about the "wilderness" years of only being third or fourth in the league, while winning the odd cup. The rest of us ("diddies" if you like) would love to have a run like that. I honestly believe that OF "fans" are a different species, with no knowledge of the pain, anguish, and occasional ecstasy which the rest of us experience over the years - it's like being married to your team, ferchrissake! An OF fan's relations with their side is more hooker/john - They'll pay their money while the trophies keep coming, then melt away when the orgasms stop coming.
Hang on, that reads like I'm comparing the OF to a couple of raddled old whores only interested in money, makeup plastered over their imperfections, with no passion for the beautiful event that their service is a sad parody of. Hey Ho, if the cap fits.....
KTID
Top post.
The marriage / hooker analogy is spot on, apart from the fact that some old whores genuinely are victims, deserving of sympathy.
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Actually surprised that no h*n supporters group has broken off and started a new club already like FC United.
I'm not.
For all the talk about starting at the bottom, very few Rangers fans really have the stomach for folowing a team that doesn't win most of the time and scoop lots of prizes.
Teams like Wimbledon and even Man Utd have elements to their support who appreciate something deeper. I really don't think Rangers do.
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Jeez with the OS down I had to actually talk to my wife!
God, that's awful man. I can only imagine what that must feel like.
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He makes the illiterate cry
Telling lie after lie after lie,
But if Whyte really can
Kill them off, what a man!
Now just die Rangers, just fucking die.
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what a cock.
That's what gets me. Why does Traynor think anyone bothers to watch a non-OF side at all? In real terms the diddies all start each season a hell of a lot more than 10 points down, yet they still draw fans.
Traynor totally parodies the OF mindset without even meaning to.
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Goram is guest speaker at our amateur teams 20th anniversary night in June . This is the only blot on an otherwise great night.
That is a shame.
The man is an absolute disgrace and I'm disgusted that Queens ever went near him.
As for the article, it's quite clear that he's made some grunts about how we need a strong OF to some hack who's written the whole thing up for him.
The thing that gets me about these articles is that while we on here can laugh at it, more people will read that kind of perspective than any other and it sticks.
Goram's probably more to be pitied than despised even if I can't manage it myself. It's the fact that such ill-informed, utterly biased and essentially thick people are given a voice and a platform that is so depressing though.
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Although I remain a firm beliver in the get-tae-f*ck school of thought and would prefer that Rangers were liquidated am I right in interpreting the that the following three amends would a) permit a newco but would deduct at least 15 points for the following season, and b) then deduct 10 for the two seasons thereafter. And c) that for all three offending years the club would have 75% reduced money and probably no European qualification?
- Resolution 1 proposes an increase in the sporting sanction (points deduction) on any Club which suffers or is subject to an Insolvency Event from 10 points to the greater of 15 points and 1/3 of the Club's SPL points in the preceding season.
- Resolution 2A proposes further sporting sanctions in the event that any Club undergoes an Insolvency Transfer Event (i.e. transfers its share in the SPL to a new company where this occurs because of the insolvency of the transferor) of 10 points in each of two consecutive seasons from the Insolvency Transfer Event.
- Resolution 2B proposes revisions to the fee payment arrangements i.e. SPL fees to any Club which has undergone an Insolvency Transfer Event will be reduced by 75% in each of three consecutive seasons from the Insolvency Transfer Event.
Surely your first bullet point wouldn't apply because they entered admin before any change is made.
I see this as an entirely depressing development. It's paving the way to let them back in with a wrist slap while pretending they're being harsh.
Ten points is meaningless - it might make winning the league yet harder, but so what - that doesn't help the rest of the teams, but one. Losing 75% of SPL money is also gentle. Rangers income, even without Europe will be much less dependent on SPL money than is the case for the diddies.
Within five years, it'll be business as usual and the greatest ever chance to hammer the b*****ds and improve our game and society will be gone.
I don't like the idea of stipulating penalties in this way. The fact that the SFL weren't bound in this way allowed them to punish Dundee in a severe way, but one which in my view, fitted their crime. Given the unprecedented nature of Rangers crimes, discretion has to be allowed in coming up with penalties which might seem appropriate.
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After all that has been revealed, and is still to be revealed (and you can bet some of the murkiest deceits will not see the light of day thanks to secret handshakes, backhanders and nudgenudgewinkwinks), about how this "institution" lied, stole, cheated and ran up massive unaffordable debts to local, national and international businesses, football clubs, government agencies, queen and country, and even football governing bodies, and who for nigh on the last 20 years has operated in a way that ignores sporting integrity, proper business practice and legal obligations........still the main thrust of news that surrounds them is how they MUST be saved for the good of scottish football, the peeeeeepul, scotland as a nation, it's worldwide appeal as a football club (sic)........yet f**k their creditors, HMRC and all the clubs in Scotland and in Europe that they have deceived and done over...........they will get pennies in the pond and be thankful for it...........and in a few years they plan to be back to spending far beyond their means, racking up more even debt, spending hundreds of millions, and winning european trophies...........
For the love of god, allah, every decent human being, whomever........
Just kill this disgusting excuse of a football club, and kill it NOW.
That's a very fine rant.
Well played Sir.
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Good God.
I don't know why he keeps apologising for his singing voice. It's clearly his strongest feature.
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This historic tour idea has potential.
I envisage something that takes in Centre 1, a castle in Grantown-on-Spey and concludes with a ceremonial walking away from Govan's latest ASDA store.
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One possible scenario? After liquidation two newcos emerge. One led by Dingwall and his dingbats the other by the minority of Rangers fans who are ordinary decent guys without the baggage. The football authorities favour the good guys and they are allowed into div. 3.
To be honest Willie, I think it's asking a lot for two people to establish and organise a 3rd division club.
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And Rangers had the England goalie and captain due to being barred from European competition.
Incredibly, Rangers sent more England players to the 1990 World Cup than any other club.
Some people seem to think they're still as significant today - bless.
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Would'nae mind a pint or two of whatever he's been drinking
Brilliant stuff. To be fair to the player, he's just come out with a couple of meaningless soundbites, because someone's asked his views on something he knows nothing about.
The real joke is that stories like this continue to run. No amount of succulent lamb seems to discourage these people who pass as journalists.
I'm also enjoying the idea of Ally McCoist being involved in all these meetings and discussions. Seriously, what the hell can his input be, beyond helping the PR put out to the proles?
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Which Leeds United was liquidated...Leeds United Football Club Limited, Leeds United AFC, Leeds United PLC, Leeds United 2007 Ltd or Leeds United Association Football Club Limited?
But that's the depressing point. Whatever it was that got liquidated, there is a current entity, recognised as Leeds United, who were very successful in the 1970s under Don Revie.
The challenge here is to ensure that any Rangers Newco is seen as new and different from the entity we know today with its list of honours and despicable, yet apparently enduringly appealing history.
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So what do you call deducting NIC and PAYE from their employees and then... keeping it?
That's just the bit they're admitting to - there's another two tax cases, the possibility/likelihood that they're trading while insolvent, the non-payment of debts to fellow SPL clubs, many other clubs and a massive list of other businesses..... The legal terms aren't important, they have been behaving in a fraudulent manner for years, possibly decades.
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And although not "fraud" as such, there's also the allegation that for years they were fielding teams full of players who had not been properly registered with the game's governing body.
That's not fraud though, merely systematic cheating.
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Strange, he got through the whole thing without once apologising for any cheating, nonpaying of taxes or sectarianism.
The stuff about the portrait of the Queen, the word "Loyal" in the name of his supporters' club and the fact he travels from Northern Ireland to watch them are of course indirect reference to the sectarianism which motivates his support for the team. You're right though - he makes no apology for it.
Christ, that team needs to die.
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Which would bring on nowhere near enough revenue to operate ibrox, let alone ibrox and murray park. Those facilities require millions of pounds per annum simply to operate never mind cash for a playing squad. There will be no credit from the bank, the bidders have failed to present a plan which deals with the debt let alone the btc without a cva ( and no guarantee and one will be agreed ), and if ticketus are going to be taking season ticket revenue...then there is no sustainable way to operate the business. A newco which isnt in spl simply wont work from a business perspective . we all know that 3 years out of the spl would result in crowds not much bigger than other sfl clubs..its the nature of the gloryhunters, and claim otherwise is just plain naive. i would imagine just to have parttimers playing at ibrox, would still required crowds which could be measured in the tens of thousands...something which they struggled to attain in the top flight in the 80s when they werent winning anything. The fact that a majority of rfc fans think sfl3 is a good idea just shows (again) how deluded and idiotic they are. Given that they would have to be sustainable and live within their means, i dont think they would even be guaranteed a squad which would rocket thru the leagues. Gretna did it by not paying any bills, and having a glorified garden shed / ground share. The minute they had to find money for a real stadium ( never mind pay for the upkeep of one the size of ibrox ) they folded. the luxury of paying on credit will not be there for goven 1690 or whatever they call themselves will not be there. If they go down a newco route its spl or nothing...hence the scottish media trying to make it seem like a formality for that option to happen
You might be right, although I don't see running a big stadium that you own, as quite as crippling as you do. They wouldn't have to use it all for instance.
Neither would it be necessary to run Murray Park - hardly anyone else, even in the SPL, has a facility anything like it.
I also think that you're kidding yourself to think gates would dwindle to SFL levels. They'd dwindle alright, but still be relatively huge in that environment.
Anyway, like you, I don't think there's any chance of Rangers - in any form - playing outside the top flight. I was merely saying that it's no wonder that it appeals more to their fans than watching an ordinary/struggling top flight team.
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Of course Rangers fans would rather go down to the third division than stay in the SPL with a decimated squad and points reductions. You'll still be winning every week and lording it over the diddy teams. Business as usual.
Precisely this crossed my mind.
The third division would appeal to lots of Rangers fans. There would be novelty and there would be a competitive adavantage that Gretna fans would have envied. They'd absolutely romp through the leagues. Even if their gates shrank by 90%, they would have bigger crowds than anyone's been near at that level for generations.
I'd have thought the real Rangers nightmare would be a team in the SPL who are like all the others except Celtic. No chance of winning the league, very little chance in the other trophies and entering all league games as likely to lose as to win.
The fact that a poll suggested their support preferred scenario 1 to scenario 2 should surprise nobody.
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Nope, they honestly believe that they were robbed of this year's title and their club have done nothing wrong previously, I think the technical term is mass delusion.
I think it's simpler.
They're just a bunch of thickos, incapable of any sort of objective analysis of anything, so they rely on prejudices instead.
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If he's there to stir up the sh*t he has to spout out some of that crap just to prevent getting banned. I could do it myself if I fancied swimming in a sea of filth.
Mmmm - an interesting interpretation.
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More nonsense from the Bear's Den.
http://forum.rangers...pic=216270&st=0
However I do admire a couple of the guys including the OP who live in the real world.
Yeah the OP sounds like a swell guy with his talk of 'the piggery' and '****** tramps'.
Only in the upside down world of Rangers, can such an unpleasant bigot emerge as some sort of good guy.
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A great feeling at Cappielow..
in Scottish Championship General Chatter
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Well played VT.
To be honest, I'm not too gutted - I've been resigned to it for a while.
We have been truly dreadful from beginning to end and deserve our fate.
I'm in reflective mood - at one point I stroked my chin - and among the things I'll miss about this forum are the box office posters.
I'm just clinging to the indisputable fact that if Rangers die this season, it'll still be my finest ever as a football fan.