larry the lion

because the rest is irrelevant to me. I'll keep buying ST's and keep going down. You could be in charge and I'd still rock up

yup, you got it

...and welcome back, our dear old friend...THE VALE

JW is entitled to make his point, I personally would refrain, but that's not really acceptable language in my personal opinion, quoting others or not.. We should all be civil, and generally listen more. I think most points would prove to have some validity.

I like Ireland and I like the Irish. Holiday's there and have family history (me mam's an O'Brian). What the IRA and Irelands relevance in a game of Scottish football in 2024 escapes me. The justification will be weak at best. I also have family that are/were neck deep in the 'Gers. No problem. But waving Union Jacks and singing God Save the King' triggers me, not into any of it from either, and its not jealousy, trust me. Thought the 'tic did well on the 18th min celebrating Kieran's life and love of Livi...

Basically Scotland v Ireland, think you lot are in the wrong league/ country Singing about the IRA is totally unacceptable and it this rhetoric that stops everyone moving on. Of course if you ask a Celtic fan specifically, they'll say it wasn;t me'... Just like Gaza, silence is compliance. Guy with megaphone was a fucking embarrassment, awful... please stop him. Thought there were some positives from the game, quite a few negatives, but overall more or less what I expected, not that fussed.

what are Oppco's intentions?

stumbled across this old article, had forgotten about it...was looking to see if any word in national press about Ward etc... https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/11108988/scottish-premiership-livingston-losses-unsustainable-court-action/ Makes me think that if the plan to create 6 million new shares at 1p a pop had gone ahead, what would the Fans shares be worth and why would we as fans agree to that reduction in our influence and position regardless of other plots that were afoot? Also mentions Hogarth being charged, loss of money due to pushing for top 6, oppco6 concerns around involvement of Bearskins etc... I find the off field machinations frustrating and disjointed, and just think the fans should own the club and stop the merry go round of business minds trying to 'ru(i)n a successful business' and just let us exist, at whatever level that happens to be. More positivity and get building from the ground up.

getting the fans on-board with future plans is a good idea, what's stopping all parties doing that? Court cases still ?

I agree, more discipline required.

I must say some of the chat and attitudes on here is just making me think its better to do a total clean out of any incumbents (and its getting confusing at best most of the time), be it club or trust etc, I still have some loyalty to DM, but at this point if everyone was to just get to f**k, I wouldn't be too upset. A reset might be a good thing. If there are parties involved that want to continue playing a role with LFC, then they need to step forward, be clear, and absolutely refrain from pursuing personal agendas. Club comes first or get to @*x%!

1. Answer ; Either what he reported himself for (which couldn't be proved, which btw doesn't mean didn't happen), or incredible stupidity for reporting himself for nothing. 2. Yuk

Trust members, or board members might have to refrain from indulging in social media....

mmmh, isn't there some conflict of interest if you personally own shares, and are involved with a fans trust that own shares in same club? The trust would need to fix that if it was still allowed..

Are you JW? I'm getting the sense there are some personal feelings getting thrown int the mix, for reference: I have no idea who any of you actually are, nor any knowledge or memory of skulduggery on anyone's part. For me the main thing is to take a sensible approach as fans to strengthen our position. Majority shareholding would be the aim. I read the message as inviting livi fans to join as members, and also looking for a whole new Board to step in...

yes they do have to explain themselves, everyone should be held to account and their motives questioned. I don't think we can shift positions for different parties/stakeholders. In fact, this is exactly what is needed, some clarity and a figurehead to lead the club and develop the business. Shadowy figures waiting to cash out when the timing is right is a load of old f**k and our club doesn't need any more cloak and dagger drama. Can't everyone be part of this journey, all together, fans, owners, players all of us... We stick around for the love of the club, I suspect so do some of the other players in this am-dram, but possible to that there are selfish motives as well (all round potentially) Name calling and denigrating other posters is simply you spunking away any credibility you have. Stick to educating and highlighting, less of the superiority complex nonsense... From our side, we need a meeting, either via fans forum or trust initiated, a lot of things need clarified and we need to do more to ensure accountability and transparency from everyone involved in running this club

So where are they?

I don't mind, some folks are just different, I used to get pished and pretend someone else was using my keyboard so i could talk shite (?). Looking back that was a bit nuts... Just let the chat head somewhere, calling folks names is a bit shite, I like the chat where there are open minded exchanges, and we actually get informed opinions and civil debate I also like when you'se talk actual football and tactics and stuff, and never seem to disagree much (okay sometimes). Just leave out the undermining and name calling, we're Livi lions, lets do better than that

I'm still no further forward in establishing what Sumners and Hogarth are doing? Is it nothing?

Livi and Roger, you're coming on a bit strong, no? Would be nice to keep it clean, at least then you'd have folks responding and it would be more useful for open debate

am a bit of a novice wit the gifs

How do you know that? Actual verbatim evidence or just speculation based on his screaming on match days? BTW, yelling at players and eroding their own ego/personal power would not be my personal approach, I don't really like it.

Who is who in this fucked up game of Cluedo. Are Sumners and Hogarth the legal owners? If it were me I'd have something to say and a future plan. Can some of the recent posters on here address this? Hogarth and Sumners. What are they doing? Do they own this club? Would now rather not rely on the goodwill of people with money, just want to do it ourselves...

Are Sumner and Hogarth the owners ? Where are they in all this? Waiting for legal cases to conclude ? Who else has got a plan. At the moment, dropping at least one division and getting rid of hanger-ons looks to be a good call. If we're worth less, then why stick around. And please, no more director loans, 'putting hands in pockets', American investors that will want a return on their investment etc...borrowing seems to bring untold misery We're all trying to piece the truths/untruths together, being inflammatory and derogatory does no-one any favours