capt_oats

Griffiths to Dundee kind of echoes McCormack pitching up at Fir Park. A guy who's so toxic his club are happy to pay him a fortune not to be there. Out of sight out of mind and all that. When it comes down to it I reckon he'll be fine at Dens, unlike Robinson when McCormack was with us I don't see McPake choosing not to play Griffiths regardless of what he gets up to or what sort of nick he's in and I'd imagine that'll suit Griffiths down to the ground. All he needs to bother about is playing on a Saturday rather than meet the standards in training through the week as he'd be asked to do at Celtic.

Patterson was mince. There may be a pler there but until he's actually playing regularly at first team level he should be nowhere near a Scotland squad and making allowances or accommodating him because of who he plays for can get in the fucking sea as a concept. Gave the ball away about 347 times, coughed up needless fouls and his crossing was a shambles. The only player to come away from that starting XI with any sort of credit is Billy Gilmour.

And rightly so.

It's generally something to be actively encouraged IMO.

Aye, I didn't listen to the whole thing. I just skipped through it until he was talking about McCann as I was interested to hear a bit of context about the point you'd mentioned way back. He wasn't wrong about the club he goes to swaying the amount you'd get.

I see he's 2 appearances off having played more games for us than any other club. Not only is he in double figures for goals, he's also double figures for assists as well. There's surely a pretty strong argument that he's in the best shape of his career at the moment, going by his IG stories. I see he's started his B license as well. In all seriousness, see since we're chucking 3 year deals around like sweeties, can we fire one in Tony's direction please? Make it happen Burrows.

Cheers. I looked at the page your post was on and couldn't see a link so I wasn't sure how recent to your post it was. Edit: Found it (quote is 01:08:58-ish)

In fairness @craigkillie's post refers to "the online Rangers support." I'd take that to mean a large number or the wider online support exposing themselves as a "grubby and sinister little bunch of oddballs" rather than specifically those on Pie & Bovril. If the shoe fits though...

It's said often but it doesn't really matter what fans think a player is worth, it only matters what a club is willing to pay. We had folk getting bent out of shape that we weren't "demanding" £5m for Turnbull (and there's no doubt he'd easily clear that if Celtic were to sell him now). Celtic were only prepared to go to £1.5m for McGinn and the initial offers to "test Motherwell's resolve" from various teams came in around £1.25m. That was pre-pandemic of course. Villa were prepared to go to the £3m for McGinn and Celtic and Norwich were prepared to meet £3m for Turnbull. Preston aren't a club who are going to be paying St Johnstone £3m plus for anyone. Their record fee is £2m apparently. Assuming the add-ons and sell on work out then Saints probably have a pretty decent deal for McCann. No doubt Preston have a bargain up front mind but there's a fair chance Saints do well in the back end and McCann gets life-changing money and a move to the Championship. The main issue is probably the optics of selling minutes before the deadline and whether Steve Brown was out there quoting clubs £3m or not that's a figure that was widely reported you were after for McCann and equally widely reported that interested clubs baulked at. Clubs baulked at £5m for Doig and Nisbet but they're still Hibs players. In that respect the £1.2m and bits looks like a massive climbdown. Out of curiosity where was this interview @PauloPerth?

Smashing interview with Alexander in The Scotsman btw.

Do you mean the tickets for low income/unemployed? Or are you meaning ST holders from 20/21 who have had their cards renewed FOC for this season? Or do you mean the actual free tickets that go along with the adult ST purchased? The breakdown for the first two is in the news story:

Club have just posted this... Edit to add: for context

As an aside, I'd probably swerve calling the socially distanced seats the "Covid Section" lads...

See, I've always been PATG since 86 but with circumstances being what they are and access to online/e-ticketing being easily available, is making games "all ticket" that much of a big deal? It'd also feed quite nicely into the whole big data conversation that's going on at the moment if people are just buying in advance on their account and going in having their e-ticket scanned.

That AZ article is great btw.

Absolutely.

Also that the sell on is on profit, which is far more normal than the suggestion you'd get 25% or whatever of any future sale.

Aye. To be clear there's no snark in my post above, as I say I think it's actually a good thing to see that the club is using their data and analytics (I'm sure there are Premiership clubs who haven't got a fucking clue/aren't paying attention to how many of their ST holders are turning up on matchdays). I can imagine it might have been a surprise to some to find that the club were/are monitoring attendance. I mean, it's good business sense for them to do that but from a fan POV they're not obvious dots to join. It's a pretty difficult job to get copy that 100% lands on the well-meaning, social interest side of things rather than lean into full blown Enemy Of The State when you're doing a targeted mail out saying "so...we see you didn't use your season ticket on Saturday?".

What can we say? We exist to improve people's lives. Given <everything else> that the club does there's zero doubt that this is coming from a genuine place. It's something that's pretty difficult to pull off without seeming slightly weird and intrusive and "Big Brother-y" (because it is slightly weird and intrusive and "Big Brother-y") but fair fucks to the club for just going with it despite that. Ultimately if you shake off the cynicism, you're making headway into making people feel valued and also understand wants/needs of your fanbase. People talk a lot about "fan engagement" and Chairman Flao's reply to @Busta Nut's not entirely serious tweet kind of highlights the broader aspect of what we're trying to achieve. On a secondary level it's market research to find out why they weren't able to make the game and if it's a reason that the club can address eg: if the ST holder didn't feel safe, can we do something about that. That's the good shit right there. Actually "reaching out" and asking your core base questions and digging into the data is a very smart move.

Waves at the media team looking in.

Is that a different bounce game to the one yer man Cran was reporting as a 2-1 win or had the game just not finished when he put that Tweet out?

Turnbull actually did it twice. 2020 - https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2020/03/11/david-turnbull-signs-contract-extension/ 2019 - https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2019/01/29/david-turnbull-extends-his-motherwell-contract/

Like I said, £1.2m and bits. There's maybe a likelihood that it reaches £2m but it's not guaranteed. We sold James Scott for just over £1m plus around £500k in add ons. He suffered a serious injury in literally his first training session, a pandemic hit, his club were relegated and now he's on loan at Hibs. We can pretty much kiss that £500k goodbye.

This is kind of it, this summer was probably Saints optimum time to sell given he had 2 years (right?) left on his deal and is obviously coming off the Cup double and generally an all round breakout season with international caps. Assuming he'd be disinclined to sign an extension you're looking at him still being a saleable asset in January but this time next year the clock's ticking and he only has a year left on his deal. If he sees out his contract then you're looking at a development fee of maybe £500k or so? Clearly it's a case of a player is only worth what another club is willing to pay but from the outside looking in it feels like Brown has kind of undermined the club a bit in so much as he's started with the whole "Ali will only leave for north of our record fee", then seems to have briefed clubs that £3m was the price (fair enough that's in line with Robertson, McGinn and Turnbull) and ended up accepting less than half that plus bits with a couple of hours to go on deadline. Kind of feels like in the future anyone looking to buy from Saints is more likely to just ignore the asking price and sit back and wait for the club to roll over given this precedent.

Should just go round and chap them up. I thought it was a bit weird they didn't at least blur out their flat numbers.