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4 minutes ago, Taxman said:
I got that from the BBC Weather App, may have to find a more reliable one.
How will you know whether or not its a reliable forecast until after the event?
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Just been handed three photographs this afternoon dating from the early 1920's.
One is a team photo with officials of an SJFA select v Ayrshire at Meadow Park, Irvine, dated 9th Feb 1924. All are named (no forename initial) with their clubs.
The second is of a Scottish Junior League Football Association team but no date or player names. On the back is a list of 15 games with dates, opposition and venues. The opposition teams are variously, Scottish, English and both Senior clubs and selects.
The third has no details but shows a team photo with officials and a ball boy. Just guessing but it looks very like the Kilsyth hills in the background.
They came with a note saying they were found when the sender was clearing a relatives house. If these are of any interest to you, PM me and I will have them copied to send to you.
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6 minutes ago, Dunc the drunk said:
Depends how far you want to go back but there were at the very least 6 in the same season only a couple of years ago.
A couple =2. At the very least implies more than 6. Have i (and loads of others) missed something?
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17 minutes ago, Glenconner said:
Has anybody asked what many of the Seniors think of this? Most of them are going mental over the Old Firm Colts never mind the thought of 160 Junior teams joining them.
It won't be anywhere near 160, my guess would be about a quarter of existing clubs at most. Many might revert to amateur status which is what they effectively are anyway.
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2 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:
There already is a non league day in the Lowland League. Where they have games kicking off at different times so you can go to different games. I'm sure thats usually on the international break day
Actually makes sense now you have your looking into the future text feature turned off!
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1 hour ago, AlanCamelonfan said:
If you were creatingredients something it would be athe t6. As pars said only Girvan could go in at t5
Please switch off your predictive text, or else read it through before sending.
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Well my post seems to have provoked some reaction and that is what is wanted, people coming out and nailing their colours to the mast. My view is that many junior clubs have had enough of being sent to the farthest points of the country to play a Scottish tie with no hope of receiving anything like their expenses to make the trip. It is probably just as unfair to the home club who have to shell out a guarantee well in excess of what actually comes in as gate money, never mind the hospitality costs. Some will say they get the chance to progress, and that is true, but again they themselves might get a similar long trip to another minnow and again suffer a big financial hit. We need properly funded clubs that can stand on their own two feet, and again, dare I say it, a ground with something more than the most basic facilities. It's going to be an interesting SJFA agm this year I feel, if the hierarchy don't come up with some real proposals for progress then the shit will really hit the fan.
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May as well contribute my tuppence worth to this debate. A lot of talk about what makes a club a big player in the junior grade. Many HAVE been big names over a fairly short period of time, Armadale were a fairly successfull club during the late 1940's , early 50's , likewise Broxburn and a few others. In the west Lugar and Annbank had short periods with great teams, Central League had Petershill, Ashfield , even Clydebank enjoying a lot of success. The common factor was a location in areas with thriving industrial and mining bases which have now gone into decline or disappeared altogether.
No junior club has enjoyed almost unbroken success over their entire history in the way that the old firm have in the Senior grade. For me, that is what makes the juniors so fascinating, a new club can emerge and very quickly become a major force. Witness Johnstone Burgh in the early 1960's, Tayport in the 90's, and I suppose Kelty today. The hard part is sustaining it beyond the time when the founding group of people are no longer around. Clubs rise and fall, and no harm in looking back to a time when your own club ruled the roost, my own club, Kilsyth Rangers, were arguably the most successful club over a fifteen year period from the mid 1950's till the late 60's and I was very fortunate to be around to enjoy that success. Since then we have had some good periods, aznd some not so good but we are still around and competing and ever hopeful of winning a major trophy once again.
Change is coming, no doubt about it, the setup in the lower regions of Scottish football will be unrecognisable in five years time from what it is at present. It may be forced from above, or the current administration may accept change, but it does need a major shift in thinking, many smaller clubs will have to admit they cannot continue in their present form and revert to local amateur leagues. The more ambitious clubs will look upwards, as Kelty have done, and decide to find their level within a new unified organisation. Dare I say it, along the lines of what happens down South?
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8 minutes ago, energyzone said:10 hours ago, parkcircus said:Looks like plans are under way for a West of Scotland league that mirrors the South
Is this coming via the club?
It seems to be an initiative from BSC Glasgow who have sent out a round robin email to West region clubs asking for expressions of interest.
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14 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said:
Do they have a pyramid? Maybe he should have went to Egypt they'd love it there.
They have them everywhere, Mexico, Sudan has more than Egypt, Las Vegas even has one.
But no junior football in any of them.
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On 26/11/2017 at 13:49, Nikos K said:
And yet Yoker voted to keep him in a job as far as I am led to believe
As in have already stated, there is no way of knowing for sure. The Yoker committee could have voted one way and the delegate another when it came to the bit. Not suggesting this was the case but the way the vote was conducted it is certainly possible.
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1 minute ago, Che Dail said:
Correct... regardless of how many people turned up to watch.
What is the money from SFA for appearing in 3rd round?
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16 hours ago, cmontheloknow said:
As TJ is a salaried employee out of Hampden, is his position even challengable by SJFA members? I ask a genuine question.
A vote of no confidence at the AGM in his management would be a start, but I don't think its very likely.
He's too nice a guy to sack!
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20 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said:
Someone alleged the west fixture secretary the first time that there has been a challenge to anyone not Johnstone or any presidential position
Learn to punctuate your sentences and they might begin to make sense.
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42 minutes ago, SimonLichtie said:
I expect I am - incredible to me that it seems all of the top end jobs in the juniors have been in the hands of the same men for years and years. I'm not having a go at the juniors here - but it's perfectly understandable why so many think you're stuck in the past when the guys at the top have been in these positions since the 90s, and seem to run things like it's still the 90s. Is it the same in the east?
What were the main reasons for the vote to replace Scott Robertson failing do you think?
Not sure of the exact reasons but Kenny had canvassed clubs in person and assurances he had been given should have seen him home and dry. Obviously some either changed their mind or had lied to him in the first instance.
Having been present at the vote it was not carried out in a way thar assured everyone it was beyond reproach. Two clubs out of 64 were not represented at the meeting, one had not paid its membership dues and was not allowed to vote. So far, so good.
Voting slips were handed out but were not identifiable to a club in any way. They were collected and counted by two non voting persons, a West Region committee man and TJ. The result was announced as SR 32, KY 29, therefore the current incumbent was re-elected. What happened to the papers thereafter I don't know.
No one raised an objection or asked for a recount with a voting member confirming the result, perhaps in the light of doubts that have since been raised a voting member should have been allowed to count the papers.
My own view is that the count was accurate but that some clubs did not vote the way they had previously indicated. Can't name them with any certainty but rumours of some big influential clubs in the Glasgow area I believe to be not far off the mark.
It remains to be seen whether anyone will challenge him this time, or he will stand down at last. As usual weather will result in a lot of postponements and the usual end of season fixture chaos will result and he will get the blame. However he seems impervious to personal criticism and will probably soldier on.
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Don't remember any move to oust Tom Johnston, could you be confusing this with the recent vote to replace Scott Robertson as West Region secretary which failed rather regretably. He has been in the job even longer than Johnston, it seems to be the thing in junior football that you almost have to die in the job.
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2 hours ago, SimonLichtie said:
Out of interest - how long has Tom Johnston been tap boi for the juniors, how many are there on the committee as a whole and how old are they? I was reading an article from back in 1997 (IIRC) where he was in charge then. Having someone in charge of an association for over 20 years seems absolutely absurd to me - you need to have changes at the top every so often to freshen things up and bring in new ideas etc - I'm sure very few of you disagree on that side of things.
The reason I ask regarding age etc. is not to sound too morbid but no-one lives forever..... could it be that nothing will properly change at the top until Johnston and co are no longer with us?!
Joe Black was SJFA Secretary for season 1997-98 with Tom Johnston as his assistant. They had swapped positions for 98-99 so he has been top man for 19 years. The committee consists of President and vice president, secretary and assistant and treasurer. No idea how often they get together, only at the AGM I suspect.
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11 hours ago, TheLad said:
With blue sky thinkingIt's Scotland your in, we only have grey sky thinking.
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5 hours ago, bluedragon said:
Can I get some more help please?
Forenames for the following players:
Kilsyth Rangers
McGinn - 1 game in 1971
W Lees - 3 games as captain in 1968 Walter, went to Watford at end of that season
I Morrison - 1 game in 1963 Tommy, went to Aberdeen, also captained Cambuslang the last time they won Scottish cup
Pearson - 1 game in 1968
Wilson - 1 game in 1988, Danny, reinstated from Cowdenbeath at start of season
Working on the others
Dunipace
McAra - 2 games in 1950
Paisley -1 game in 1990
Question
Is “Mulhall (Kilsyth Rangers)” capped once in 1953 George Mulhall later of Aberdeen, Sunderland & Scotland?
Yes, brother of Martin who had spell with Falkirk and several other Division "B" clubs
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36 minutes ago, bluedragon said:
The 1957 Scotland versus Wales match at Tynecastle had a crowd on around 6,000. The earlier match in 1957 against Ireland at Firhill had an attendance of 11,000 but only Jimmy Sievewright played in that game.
I can't actually be sure that both photos were taken at the same match, nothing on them to indicate venue or date taken.No luck in finding out if Mr Cassidys archive still exists. A local historian did try to find out some years ago without success, so looks like they might be lost, a real shame but unfortunately its only in comparitively recent years that we have begun to value that siort of stuff.
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Just as an afterthought I tried google to see if anything came up for George Cassidy, photographer. Did find one but he is from USA and his work does include many sports photographs, but no junior football I'm afraid. I'll continue my investigations locally and see if I can turn up anything.
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22 hours ago, bluedragon said:
Jimmy Sievewright/Denis Mochan/Roy Lowe - Just to clarify you say: “I have a photograph of Roy Lowe, together with Jimmy Seivewright and Denis Mochan in their Scotland jerseys”. Is that just Jimmy and Denis in Scotland jerseys? If that is correct then I think the photograph might have been taken at Tynecastle on 16 March 1957 when Jimmy and Denis played against Wales.
Well, Jimmy and Denis have Scotland badges on their shirts, goalkeeper Roy's does not but I'm pretty certain he would have been playing.
I didn't know where Junior internationals were usually played, didn't really think it would have been Hampden. There is part of a seated stand behind them which looked a bit like the old main stand at Hampden which is why i thought it might be there. There is also another photo of Jimmy taken in action at the same game which has the terracing in the background showing it absolutely full.
Incidentally all these pictures were taken by George Cassidy, a Kilsyth based photographer who was the official photographer to the SJFA in those days. We have quite a few others of the Kilsyth team taken by him, all of a very high standard but some were lost when the old Social club was destroyed by fire back in the late 1990's.
I have no idea what would have happened to his archive of negatives, etc when he died but if they still exist then they would be a real treasure trove of football photos from that era.
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22 hours ago, bluedragon said:
A few questions from the Post-War period up to and including 1959.
Kilsyth Rangers
Does anyone have first names for:
Clinton 1 cap in1955
Lowe 3 caps in 1958
I have Ian Gordon signing for Hearts on 20 September 1950. Was he farmed out to Kilsyth for the rest of the 1950/51 season and then capped at Junior level or is this another Gordon?
Gordon 2 caps in 1951
Micheal Clinton He was a Kilsyth player during season 1951-52, scoring 13 goals. He moved on to Clyde and Alloa Athletic and was apparently reinstated to Ashfield in 1955 or thereabouts, so if he was capped it was not with us.
I have a photograph of Roy Lowe, together with Jimmy Seivewright and Denis Mochan in their Scotland jerseys taken at a ground with a very large crowd in the background (Hampden)? It was certainly earlier than 1958 as both Jimmy and Denis had moved on from Kilsyth by then. Probably 1955 but could have been 1956, not '57 as Seivewright was near the end of his career by then. He is still with us and living in Lennoxtown, I had some news of him during the last few days,, a group from East Dunbartonshire Leisure are collecting reminiscences from older people in their area to be published as a booklet and Jimmy is one of those selected.
Roy Lowe, as I posted here recently died in Australia jus a few weeks ago. Denis is still a fairly regular attender at Duncansfield.
Ian Gordon. Ian was a regular Kilsyth player during season 1950-51 and certainly played in both sixth round Scottish cup games against Broxburn. Other than that he scored 3 goals during the latter part of the season I have no further record of hiis time at Kilsyth. He moved to Hearts but apparently only made 3 first team appearances (according to Neil Browns A-Z) before moving to Airdrie and then Third Lanark.
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While at Dunipace Willie Westwater played in all three Junior internationals in 1952. I don't have him capped while at Kilsyth so if you know more I would be interested to hear.
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You could be right, memory is starting to play tricks. Another player capped from Kilsyth during the same era was Denis Mochan, brother of Neil of Celtic. Denis had a couple of senior clubs in Scotland, then quite a few years at Notts Forest. Finished up as manager of Colchester (briefly) before retiring and returning to Scotland. - Still hale and hearty and a fairly regular visitor to Duncansfield
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Junior football, what is the future?
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Pools money was a significant part of clubs income back in the days when Littlewoods, Vernons and several other companys were around and millions did them every week. I don't imagine it is anywhere near that level now. The fixtures are copyright and that is what they were paying for.
The big money now is television rights and there will be nothing for the lower tiers of a Scottish pyramid other than a minimal share of what the SFA receives.