O'Kelly Isley III

Er, not quite; there is a large grouping in Scotland, many of whom haven't a pot to piss in, who willingly vote for people like Annie Wells in a grotesque effort to preserve their heritage and cultural history, or whatever extreme Protestant bigotry is masquerading as these days. And Brexit itself has thrown up the wonderful irony of the full Pape Rees-Mogg hiding behind the Orange sashes of the DUP - it's a strange world, politics.

'Rickets and whippets' ? That's well out of order and I invite you to retract it.

Not as crazy as it sounds; remember the reaction of Johnson and Gove the day after the Referendum ? They looked as if they had shat themselves. Now that the carnage likely to ensue in the wake of No Deal or a Hard Brexit is better known the ERG may well act like those hyenas on Attenborough's shows who attack the lion then totally shite it when the reality dawns, all the while baying loudly as they retreat. None more so than the Grand Hyena Baker earlier this evening.

I'm just looking forward to no longer seeing her and her wimpy-looking husband emerge from church every Sunday. Maybe they should have opted for a right good ride once in a while and we'd have avoided this fiasco.

As Private Eye recently alluded, Cheques At The Border.

Johnson would be fried in oil by Barnier and Co, and anyone else with basic levels of competence.

After almost three years of omnishambles that 52/48 margin is well past its sell-by date and is almost certainly in need of refreshing via a second referendum - if there was any honesty in Westminster it. would deserve a serious hearing. There's a real danger in all of this that people fatigued by the whole thing accept a pish outcome on a weary 'Ach, that's no' bad' basis. Wrong call !

The SNP would be entering a GE with a leader who has been the only credible witness in the unfolding Brexit debacle; people may like or dislike her but Sturgeon has retained a consistent, coherent line on how Scotland stands to be affected. Secondly, the Unionist canard of 2014 about being 'better together' offering the insurance of continued EU membership should be shouted from every rooftop until Ruth Davidson's ears are bleeding. Thirdly, as Renton says above now is not the time for electoral self-indulgence in Scotland; as a former Labour voter I have absolutely NO intention of tactical voting and I would encourage others in a similar position to hold the line. The retired English gammons in Moray, the Unionist Orange boneheads and the queer folk in the Borders are lost causes but that should leave more than enough electoral clout to provide a strong and clear SNP mandate, provided the gloves are well and truly taken off.

Well, well, who'd have thunk it ?

So it's all about preserving the party as opposed to doing the right thing. Fine, but I can think of at least one global institution, religious in nature, which is currently reaping a whirlwind for that. There is also a rather condescending assumption that the Labour vote is a lumpen mass incapable of appreciating and responding to evidence-based information, and God knows there is bit more of that than June 2016. Who knows, there may even have been some Leave voters marching through central London yesterday !

Anyway, I thought Sturgeon was decent in her interview with Marr this morning, especially her closing remarks on Scotland being lectured in 2014 about EU membership.

Aye, it would be interesting to quantify how many Leave voters thought that their vote to exit the EU was about to magically halt the immigration inflow from Asia, Africa and elsewhere - I reckon if they were factored out we would be down to about 12 million. Many of them are/were that thick.

I'd be delighted to put it to the test.

From previous postings on P & B I've gathered that you are a student. In the years to come you'll either come to thank those who protested and managed to steer Brexit in the direction of sanity or, if that fails, you will probably move away from the UK. And there will be hundred of thousands like you.

I wouldn't trust Gove to run a whelk stall; shag it maybe, but not run it.

It's a fervent hope of mine that over the next few weeks the tensions in the Tory Party boil right over into civil war, accompanied of course by at worst a very soft Brexit.

I note the references to 'England & Wales' - presumably the rest of us can GTF.

This. In normal times mild diversions are fine but right now we have an embattled Board of Directors trying to deal with an 'interesting' major shareholder and they can do without kites flying about the place.

'Do you enjoy sex Mr Smith' ? 'I sure do'...'Good, well here's your partner for the evening, Mr Jones...' Even an intellectual dwarf like yourself will maybe get the gist. Sent from my MotoG3 using Tapatalk

Any referendum must include a 'Remain' option given what the electorate now knows.

Worst in what regard ? In that she now risks seriously imperillng the UK economy and the future living standards of its people ? Or that she places the narrow, sectarian interests of both herself and the Tory Party above what is best for the nation ? Maybe it's her continuing obsession with prosecuting the result of an advisory referendum which was an affront to democracy. Or maybe it's simply that she has now made the transition from being the nasty, right-wing, stubborn, stupid politician of renown to a risible, internationally discredited and ridiculed buffoon. Still, if her legacy is to drive a stake thro the heart of the Conservative Party it may all have been worth it.

That would be helpful, thanks.

Remind me never to be eating my breakfast whilst reading this thread, that is a truly troubling image.

Anyone seen Old Scrotum and his mate Drew Diligence ?

LOL, I don't expect anyone to take mine seriously. Naw, I just like challenging unionist trolls.