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Does it strike you as even slightly likely that Dunfermline or Ayr fans singing e.g. "Go home ya ****" at you are really, really singing "Go home ya Protestants"? That seems utterly ridiculous on its face to me, an absolutely hilarious assertion. Bear in mind that, if you really do think they're singing GHYP and you also agree with your fans' statement today, you're calling for those people to be banned and/or arrested.

As you're very well aware, I've repeatedly said that people should stop using that particular word, for public order reasons, even though your attempt to kid us all on about it is ridiculous. Since you know that and are pretending that you don't, for some bizarre reason, I don't really see any point debating it further, especially not when I'd have to respond to e.g. "a word that you claim is a sectarian term for Catholics".

I think we've categorically proven that this isn't the case, unless you're also trying to convince us that those Dundee United fans just really dislike Protestants generally and wanted them to go home. Taken with your fans' pronouncement today, it's such a ridiculous proposition that it doesn't require refuting, I think. It necessarily contains the idea that e.g. Partick or Aberdeen fans should be banned or arrested for using a word that is considered to be sectarian only by the loopiest faction of the supporters of a single club. I imagine everyone can see that it's an utterly deranged proposal. I suppose that the alternative may be to say Well, perhaps it's only Celtic fans who use the word to mean "Protestants", so maybe we should narrow our disapproval down to one club only, and let the rest go about their business... And I think we can all see why that one won't fly, from an administrative/legal standpoint.

Had the preferred policy of the Rangers fans been in place the last couple of years, we'd wind up with the utterly ludicrous situation whereby e.g. Dundee United fans singing "Go home ya ****" after walloping the NewCo 3-0 in the cup would be at risk of bans or arrest and prosecution, on the grounds that legally speaking, they were actually singing "Go home you protestants". I think we can all assess exactly how sensible that policy is. I suggest that anyone who's sitting on the fence on this one should probably consider whether this is a wise path to start down or not.

You say it "stinks of hypocrisy" because, as the highlighted section shows, you are intentionally comparing two things that aren't equivalent, in what amounts to a fairly childish point-scoring exercise. And note that your fellow fans have now shifted the terms of this ludicrous issue. It's one thing for us all to agree that people should stop using the word "Hvn", if only to lessen the number of violent crimes and admittances to hospitals, even if the Rangers fans are making demonstrably wrong claims about it, because they're twats. I'm broadly with you, on that one. What your fellow fans are now demanding is that the word be "banned", which presumably means fines levied on clubs and supporters excluded or arrested, for absolutely no other reason than that your fans are all boo-hoo-boo because they can't sing the Billy Boys. If the SG accepts the fans' proposal here, that's not considering the complaints on both sides of the divide. That would be indulging the 100% politically-motivated whims of a very small and cranky fans' group by making supporters of other teams liable for bans or arrest if they use a term that is not in itself sectarian. Put bluntly, I am in favour of people being less dickish, so that there's less blazing aggro. I'm not in favour of e.g. banning fans or filling police cells with non-violent offenders, simply to appease a small bunch of stupid, angry people who are upset because they can't use sectarian terms for "Catholic" any more.

And while I'm at it, I've always liked that "Well, they sing it at Hearts/Killie/the police, so it must mean protestant" argument. The alternative explanation, of course, is that Celtic fans - for daft, ridiculous reasons - believe that Hearts/Killie/the police are overly fond of Rangers. But it couldn't be that, because that would mean that Celtic fans are paranoid and think that practically everyone is against them, with very little reason for believing that this is so. And I think we all know that Celtic fans generally are very reasonable and rational, and couldn't possibly be paranoid or just plain thick.

Yes, and using the same logic, all those videos from 2012 of Celtic fans singing "The Hvns are going bust" prove that they really meant "Protestantism is a bankrupt religion", or something equally daft. It'd probably be better if people stopped using that word, in the interests of lowering the numbers of stabbings and glassings. On the other hand, I think we can all agree that the very second that one is proscribed, there will be something else to greet about, and that one will be equally daft. This entire non-story can be boiled down to one incontestible fact - some Rangers fans, incredibly butthurt at the banning of their party tunes, are absolutely desperate to spread the culpability, and are scouring the internet for anything, anything to back up their nutty views.

An amazing and astounding coincidence, surely also utterly unrelated to the demise and utter humiliation of a certain blue-clad football team.

I imagine that this kind of "Look at this photo, all who now disagree with my opinion are automatically bigots" pish is more or less what your fellow fans will be saying to the First Minister today. She seems a fairly level-headed person to me, but who knows how politicians will respond to this type of thing? As a profession, they're quite prone to seeing football fans - all football fans, not just the Glasgow ones - as a scum class, a problem to be managed with harsh legislation and police horses. They don't need much encouragement, in that regard.

Well, redefining that one as a sectarian term for "Protestant" is certainly one way of ensuring that fans of most other clubs will wind up getting arrested, much as Rangers fans do currently for their repertoire. Net result - police cells and courts even more clogged up with minor offenders than they currently are, and for no other reason than the Rangers fans are desperate to spread as much blame as possible beyond themselves. And then ten years down the line, a bunch of blue-clad fannies rock up at Holyrood demanding a ban on "Sevco" and "Sevconians", which also now miraculously mean "protestant".

And, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm sure I read somewhere that Ashley had effectively clamped the NewCo into the financial equivalent of one of those Saw-style spring-loaded traps that pull your intestines out and rip your eyelids off if you so much as move an inch. It was something along the lines of, Boot Ashley out, and he'll fvck off with all of the profit streams. Maybe I misunderstood, or was taken in by those awful internet bloggers again. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.

Worrying news, that Dave King's faction of fannies might be about to take over the NewCo. I remember exactly how effective he was, the last time he was involved with a Scottish football club. I'm sure you'll all agree that the possibility of yet another financial dodger taking over New Rangers and installing a spend, spend, spend policy is a very frightening prospect, due to that policy's long and storied history of unblemished success, and one that we're all super-keen to avoid. And this current "Just you wait", "back where we belong" hilarity out of the Bears is every bit as frightening and intimidating as it was back when they were pinning all of their hopes for supremacy upon Charlie Green.

I quite like how he's willing to just about upturn the internet searching for evidence to back up his weeks-long campaign to prove that the H-word is very sectarian, but immediately flat out rejects the obvious origin of the blatantly childish "Greenyin". And I like how he seems to think that people laughing at him for this is a sign that it's them who are operating double-standards.

Yes, I see that you're still responding to a point about your tendency to say "Whitaboot thaime" by saying... Whitaboot thaime. There really is no moral ground to take here at all, high or low. There's just Tedi claiming never to have considered e.g. whether "Greenyin" might be some kind of rhyming slang, and folk laughing at him for his absurd belief that the word "Plastic" applied to Celtic fans definitely has absolutely nothing to do with the well-known insult "Plastic Paddy".

A word of advice here, champ - if somebody says something like "You're resorting to 'Whitaboot Thaime' in order to deflect criticism", it's a tactical error to respond by immediately saying "Whitaboot Thaime".

Absolutely tragic patter. God knows who you're trying to convince with this guff, because nobody here has a head that zips up the back.

So it's a mad and bizarre coincidence that "Greenyin" is a near-exact soundalike for "F3nian", then? And "Plastic" to describe Celtic supporters is wholly unrelated to the well-known insult "Plastic Paddy", is it? Frankly, I think the truth is so glaringly obvious that it's barely worth discussing, and certainly not worth getting het up about - even if these terms were ruled verboten by the Court Of Getting Really Butthurt About Words, others would immediately take their place. On the other hand, your claims about these two words are mainly insulting to everybody's intelligence, rather than anything else. We're all adults here and absolutely nobody is going to be taken in by your nonsense.

I understand why all this offensive words bingo is dull to most posters, but I'll note the following because I find it quite funny: Although this diabolilcal "Hvn is sectarian because it means Protestant" patter has flared up now and then on these boards for years, the current round of it started after the Celtic-Rangers cup game, with Tedi taking theatrical offence at the Celtic fans singing "Go home ya Hvns". In my opinion, he did that in an attempt to start a rubbish Whitaboot Thaime circlejerk, in order to deflect criticism about his own team's supporters giving it ninety minutes of the traditional party tunes, although he'll no doubt disagree. Whether you think the H-word is acceptable or not, I now note that Tedi has been reduced from making grand claims about derivation and intent, to feigning astonishment at the astounding news that the word "Greenyin" rhymes precisely with a certain derogatory term for "Catholic", and is now flailing around claiming that the use of the word "Plastic" to describe the only Scottish team to make a big deal of its Irish roots is wholly unconnected to the well-known insult "Plastic Paddies". Which is quite humorous, if watching people make clowns of themselves as their wee rhetorical gambles blow up in their own faces is the kind of thing that you find funny.

These Rangers fans' posts Are quite whiny and girny. Looks like somebody's Not enjoying the Journey.

Rangers fans were once quite patient But now all the stands are near vacant The fans prefer pickets To buying match tickets Next week, there'll be pretty much nae body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionism#Protestant Edit: We are The People. The clues are in the capitals.

I asked Spartans Twitter guy about that at the time, while negotiations were going on - they were quite hot for it at first, but seemed to sense quickly that getting into a fight with Rangers and the entire Scottish press would be a bad idea. I think Spartans are being wise, biding their time and waiting for their opportunity. Can't come soon enough IMO.

More like two minutes, kid - they taught me to type at school, so I'm a real whizz. Just about to start on the bevvy, though.

By the way, there were only three feasible options available to clubs and supporters after Rangers went into administration. These were: 1) Admit the NewCo to the Third Division, while pointing and laughing and predicting no harm to the Scottish game or 2) Admit the NewCo to the Third Division, while being businesslike and calm about it, predicting no harm to the Scottish game or 3) Admit the NewCo to the Third Division, while wailing and screaming in terror about how Scottish football would be an utterly shyte no-value product without Rangers in the top tier. Option 1 & 2 are the same thing, in terms of sport and finance. Option 3 was the SFA's favoured tactic and all it did was knock zeros off the price of the game in advertising, sponsorship and TV rights. There was never a realistic chance here of "Let's break the rules and stampede Rangers back into the top tier". So, what are the Rangers fans here greeting about? Are they sad because people weren't alarmist enough in 2012, or just happy because they think their club's malfeasance is still injuring the entire Scottish game? Or, are they just butthurt because everyone's still laughing at them, years after the old club's demise? You can probably decide for yourself.

Good luck getting a response to a reasonable question out of Bennett, geezer. I'm still waiting months later for him to say exactly what other clubs and their fans should've done about Rangers going bust, aside from sticking to the rules. And I notice that even if What's Left Of Scottish Football is going to the dogs because Rangers died then that is, you know, Rangers' fault, rather than anyone else's. . Edit: So it does take some brazen brass balls for them to lecture other supporters about it.