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How many late applications are being made to the eos? It could be a few????
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21 minutes ago, The Mantis said:
Usually???? So how many times do you think this has happened then?
*hint... not many, and it doesn’t make happy reading for you.
Were Burntisland an eos team when Bonnyrigg won 14-0?
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12 hours ago, BENJI BOY said:
Lets look at whats happening to a once great feeder grade to both junior and senior football..the under 21 Juvenile leagues...Famous well run clubs like Campsie Black Watch and others going out of existence annually till we only have a handful existing today because the committees are devoted to retaining their communities club...Killed off by the new Acadamies and seniors taking players out of circulation at 9/10/11 /12 etc years old starving the natural paths through schools/boys clubs and so on for the juveniles. True the juniors WERE NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN UNDER 20 TEAMS BECAUSE THE TALENT HAD BEEN SYPHONED OF BY THE SENIORS...That wont change with the pyramid..very soon......the potential players are not available to them.
You almost nailed the point, but missed the target at the end. Oh well.
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2 hours ago, daleboy1969 said:
If the 11 clubs have felt so agrieved with sjfa why have none brought there concerns or ideas to meetings for inclusion . Yes there have been mistakes but by failing to bring your feelings to the fore your clubs are also culpable . The it's ma baw I'm no playing attitude won't get change .
What if they did, and no one wanted to go in that direction? Then it’s sensible to change if you prefer the other options.
lets be clear here, nobody’s feet are nailed to the ground clubs are free to move or stay as they please - several have moved between juniors and seniors.
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5 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:
Many posts on here and on twitter shows just how deep rooted “grade syndrome” is amongst some clubs and people. Their grade is more important to them than their own clubs future and if it’s attacked they lash out, including those who hold official positions and who should know better. It doesn’t go unnoticed, and with each post or tweet or email the case for SJFA inclusion in the Pyramid slowly erodes in the eyes of those who they will be negotiating with, it also erodes the belief that the SJFA are capable of running anything far less league inside the Pyramid.
Well said. I’ve loved the juniors, but it’s about football first and foremost, not the ‘grade’
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28 minutes ago, Marten said:
Pure comedy...
Waste *of* time, not waste off. One of my pet hates that.
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5 minutes ago, Goalie Hamish said:
Richie? Blair?
Messi
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2 minutes ago, sponsorsladdie said:
The ERSJFA will need to get their finger out and work out what the leagues look like next season.
If they stick with Super and Prem at 16 then there are 17 teams left between north and south12/12/12/13?
this is a bit Lionel.
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11 minutes ago, The Stig said:
I have heard that the following clubs have been accepted into the EoS
Bonnyrigg, Camelon, HoB, Blackburn, Dalkeith, Haddington, Musselburgh, Tranent, Crossgates, Easthouses, Edinburgh.
Dunipace and hillfield swifts.
No real surprises there if this information is trueSjfa project fear went really then.
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7 minutes ago, The Stig said:
I have heard that the following clubs have been accepted into the EoS
Bonnyrigg, Camelon, HoB, Blackburn, Dalkeith, Haddington, Musselburgh, Tranent, Crossgates, Easthouses, Edinburgh.
Dunipace and hillfield swifts.
No real surprises there if this information is trueNo craigroyston?
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1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Kilwinning have certainly been open to the possibility of going Senior. Even in the wake of the SJFA questionnaire the Auchinleck Talbot chairman(?) said something along the lines that they would follow if that's what was decided by everyone else.
A West of Scotland League is going to be different proposition than what's going on in the East. They're going to be starting with almost an entirely blank slate and now have the precedent of what's happened in the East to shape their opinions. They've even got the knowledge that Clydebank are leaving in a year and a possible West Region defection to the EoSFL happening this year.
If a west league came to fruition I wonder if harthill or Fauldhouse might take the plunge there rather than go further down the tiers in the east.
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3 minutes ago, Isabel Goudie said:
What was panned, Speirs's? Probably was but this article still makes a strong and fair case for the Juniors as an alternative. But predictably you discount as you continue your affirmation journey!
I think there is a case to made for the juniors but Kevin McKennas article isn’t it. It’s spectacularly poor and as someone sums up above written by someone who has no understanding of it or even goes to games once in a while.
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Who said Bonnyrigg were never interested in winning the Scottish? I’ve not read that, and I don’t believe it to be true. In fact, I think most if not all Bonnyrigg fans would have a preference for a continuing all in Scottish non league cup.
ubiquitous opportunism? I think given that there are still no alternative plans on the table from the sjfa that’s unfair. The clubs including my own have made their choices on the information available.
theres no guarantees that the sjfa will ever come up with a workable solution, we know this from past performance.
I love the juniors, it should be the pre eminent non league grade in Scotland. It’s not, and Some clubs have ambitions to be higher than they currently are. The pyramid has opened that up, and if the sjfa couldn’t see that was going to happen then frankly they are not fit for purpose.
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49 minutes ago, Ginaro said:
Err, Burntisland Shipyard would disagree with that.
"The Mission Statement for The East of Scotland Football League is "To Develop, Foster, Co-Ordinate and Sustain Association Football at Club and League level throughout Edinburgh, the Lothians, the Borders, Fife and Stirlingshire"
It was kelty I forgot but they are another recent recruit and I suspect the mission statement reflects the members, not dictates them.
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29 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
The East of Scotland League currently covers Fife, and Tayside is currenty part of the Highland catchment area. A West of Scotland league would cover over half the population of the Central Belt and would absolutely deserve to be on a par with the East of Scotland league.
It would all things being equal. But they aren’t equal, there’s already leagues in place.
As Burnie man says there’s already leagues in place covering the areas who got there first.
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1 hour ago, craigkillie said:
The East of Scotland League currently covers Fife, and Tayside is currenty part of the Highland catchment area. A West of Scotland league would cover over half the population of the Central Belt and would absolutely deserve to be on a par with the East of Scotland league.
There’s two fife teams - who are relatively recent recruits. If the eos is to be expected to accommodate the fife teams then it’s a flimsy step imho not to point at the very least the central Scotland teams interested in the pyramid in the direction of eos.
when the sjfa presents to all the clubs shortly - this is exactly the kind of logistic needs answered. I have zero expectation they will do this though because really the sjfa committee have no real commitment to the pyramid.
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I don’t see a west league is any different to a fife and Tayside league - are we really going to have 4 regional leagues under the lowland league? Can’t see it, but it’s not happening for at least a season anyway.
the juniors aren’t holding the aces here, their position is weak.
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2 minutes ago, A.M said:
I'm sure the fans of 66 and 78 would disagree, I didnt see thousands of people on the streets when you beat Dumbarton.
But if you preferred it alls good
Fans of 66 and 78 that I know disagree but I think we’re going round in circles about the same thing. I think we can agree to differ.
dumbarton led to Bonnyrigg taking 5000 to Tynecastle with more in the away end and a fantastic day for Bonnyrigg, if not result.
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17 minutes ago, A.M said:
You honestly believe that ? I know a few people who were at Dumbarton that night who would love Bonnyrigg to win the junior cup , and still would
As would I, but Dumbarton was better.
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4 minutes ago, kefc said:
There is a definite difference in East Junior football and West imo, East is dying on its arse whereas the West Premier with the bigger catchment area, the product seems to be better.
Crowds are down in the East, the better players are heading to the LL couple that with no fixture lists, no money, perceived West coast biase and an sense of apathy in the whole system then when you weigh it up it’s not much of a gamble for East region sides.
Junior clubs make the grade, its certainly not the structure as it stands. The EOS, LL being part of the pyramid, Licenced, fixture lists, u20’s, National cup comps and being rewarded sides more with the structure that makes the grade and with good clubs added to that structure it could thrive.
From what I’ve seen this season I think the standard east v west is pretty level but the smaller leagues in the west make the leagues look more competitive and there’s less of a gap top to bottom in 12 than 16.
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1 minute ago, kefc said:
There is a definite difference in East Junior football and West imo, East is dying on its arse whereas the West Premier with the bigger catchment area, the product seems to be better.
Crowds are down in the East, the better players are heading to the LL couple that with no fixture lists, no money, perceived West coast biase and an sense of apathy in the whole system then when you weigh it up it’s not much of a gamble for East region sides.
Junior clubs make the grade, its certainly not the structure as it stands. The EOS, LL being part of the pyramid, Licenced, fixture lists, u20’s, National cup comps and being rewarded sides more with the structure that makes the grade and with good clubs added to that structure it could thrive.
The west depends on the east for the junior cup though?
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5 minutes ago, A.M said:
Yes Bonnyrigg got exposure from beating Dumbarton , and rightly so but I'm sure your fans would have swapped all that to win the junior cup ?
No, not anyone that I know that was at Dumbarton that night.
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I keep seeing the ‘milk and honey’ line - it’s not that for me.
flip this around though - 20 years ago the east of Scotland league wouldn’t have been entertained by the east junior clubs - but now, in one fell swoop, about 20% of the east junior sides are heading there. That’s how badly the sjfa gave misjudged this, that’s how badly this has been mismanaged.
what summed up the thinking in the sjfa was TJ having a pop at Bonnyrigg for not winning the junior cup recently. True, but Bonnyrigg got massive exposure beating a championship side as well as the highland league champions and runners up. That kind of thing clearly happens every week in the juniors.
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7 minutes ago, kefc said:
With the amount of teams moving and some could say being brave, following SFA licence guidelines and sacrificing years being part of the SJFA then the SJFA’s hand has been severely weakened.
If the plan was to bargain for the SJFA in the East to go in alongside current EOS clubs at tier 6 or 7 (if as expected the EOS has 2 divisions) then surely in terms of sporting integrity that can’t fly where they can amalgamate with the EOS on the same level, the clubs and committees won’t go for it.
If the SJFA do come on board in season 19/20 then in the East they would bolt on underneath the 2 EOS Leagues at Tier 8. Teams who have applied so far and have been pro-active instead of re-active deserve enormous respect.
I think the clubs that have applied understand the reality of the situation - maybe they are getting a jump on the west clubs too because I struggle to believe a wos league is going to happen anytime soon and not at tier 6.
The sjfa is going to have to come up with something coherent and quickly but I don’t think there’s a will within the sjfa and as the survey results show there’s significant disagreement. If you take out 16 east teams - 10% of the sjfa memembership - well, that makes 10% less in favour of the pyramid within the sjfa. The sjfa will lose the very clubs it needs to support change.
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Junior football, what is the future?
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As I’ve said elsewhere, the cups stayed in Ayrshire for five years, in the 2000s the east were dominant. Success is transient.
People like you will still be wittering on about the grade the Ayrshire teams and how they used to beat the former east teams while the former east teams are in the spfl.