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Like the Tartan Army then. No ticket sales, no replica shirts, no travel club. Nothing. Isn't it about time we set these two big dogs on one another? The SFA handed out fair and proper punishment. The SPL continue to look for ways not to. Surely if we set them loose, and the SFA as ruling body have to report to UEFA and FIFA and the SPL don't. if we have SFA on the side of fans of all leagues demanding proper action and justice as the rules of each league state, then thats how to do it? They both have separate TV deals for the matches they cover. Without player registration, which is held by the relevant national FA, no club/player can play in ANY associated and properly affiliated league ANYWHERE including boys football. There are rules even at that level. Surely then the SFA can refuse to acknowledge the existence of the SPL if they continue to move in the opposite direction from the national authority? It's drastic, but the mood on here is pretty much 'if they get in, I won't be back' Or am I misjudging things?

Apology accepted, but if you really think about it, we've all been taking up there for more than just a season, it's ingrained, and now its time for a good old wash for them to rid the game of the dirty middens......

Nononononono.........do NOT start the acceptance. If the chatter turns to that on the forums they will be watching. NO TO A NEWCO!!!!

That my friends is the real multi million pound question - not as club supporters, but as members of the World Famous and Respected TARTAN ARMY. One consolidated effort from all fans that can remove the clubs from the equation. One where WE AS TARTAN ARMY FANS refuse to let the reputation we have had to earn in bars and hotels across the world be ruined by a festering establishment that deems hard cash more important than sporting integrity. One where there is still TV money that goes to the SFA for coverage in these competitions and money from replica kits - One where we can speak directly to the ruling body of the sport in this country. Collectively we have the power to affect the SFA directly in a more powerful way than even Sandy Jardine can comprehend. Now, let us march onwards towards Tooting, vive la resistance Wolfie!!!

Oh, and harking back to the EPL thing for a second, I recall there being mention of Rangers eventually joining a big Euro League after their conquering of the EPL titles for many many seasons. May I suggest a name for such a European league? The Galapagos League A league full of teams who really need to go back to the start and try again. Knuckledraggers, morons, cheats and bullys. Entry requirements and team submissions gratefully received

Just a quickie for the sake of a bit of retribution against Sandy Jardine and his nonsensical ramblings. As a protest against the sponsors who perpetuate the 'we need the old firm tv income' debate, which has for too long blighted the game in Scotland and continues to colour the issues of real importance at the heart of the Scottish game, I'm targeting Sky by watching this evenings Manchester Derby from my living room, free of charge, on a nice little website stream, thus depriving my local pub, which sells Tennents, of much needed income from the pints I would have been drinking tonight and instead settle down with a few tinnys in the comfort of my own armchair. Over to you Sandy.......

New song for the bears, to the tune of ' I'm H-A-P-P-Y" "we're Rainjurs 'til we die, we're Rainjurs til we............."

Also, knowing the past history between the clubs at director level, it wouldn't surprise me if it was our chairman that abstained! He probably saw the video from Parkhead and knew the team bus would get a bricking this week considering we're public enemy number two in Rangers eyes. How did we manage to steal that from the Dons fans? But mostly I really hope he figured it all out as per my previous post....that would be sweet.

I respectfully disagree that they would 'walk it' in the first division given the general circumstances they would be in. Even if they were to retain the players, how uplifting do you think the morale will be? Even at the home of their greatest rivals, at the end of a week of posturing and blowhards about fighting back, the team on the pitch offered little resistance. And out of hundreds of thousands of Rangers fans, only 8000 marched to Hampden in indignation. If the march was to Ibrox and they let them in, that would barely have filled one stand. They know its coming. So either scenario means there's not going to be 50,000 at Ibrox every week to help finance a team that can waltz the league, regardless of which one. We all, as teams, have fair weather fans, the greatest display of this is at Cup finals (yes, I'm talking to all of the rest of us here) We all put up the argument that we COULD fill our stadiums with our support every week at one time or another. The suggestion of the challenge match also would open a potential banana skin for Celtic. Anyone who watched the game yesterday will have seen the mood of the Celtic support in general. Can they really run the risk of being seen to financially support their greatest rival in such an obvious and direct way? I would think that's a big big ask to swallow as a Celtic fan, after everything thats gone on.

I had hoped, like many of us, that today was the day. That was until I read P&B this morning and the scary scenario put forward in the post about/from the Scots Law Bloke on page 685. That left me a little dismayed as it offers the worst possible outcome, and would have given the bears the chance to laugh and claim the SPL had been potentially outmanoeuvred all along. However, the delay on the part of the SPL chairmen today does a few handy things in my humble opinion. Delaying the vote does, as someone pointed out, have a 'lets see if they die first' ring to it. It also means that regardless - if they voted in favour of the proposed changes or against them, then Rangers would know how to play their next card in terms of fielding players under a NEWCO at St. Johnstone, how they could use the precedent to unlock the chains they have around them at present and could have begun planning for that straight away. Now, possibly because the knew they might lose as 10-2, the best possible course of action may prove to have been to abstain/postpone the vote to exert pressure on Celtic, not just Rangers. This appears to me to be the clever vote if you know you're not able to win outright and one of your opponents is one the ropes, its a tag team event and the clock is ticking down. The analogy I'd give is a boxing match with the SPL 10 in one corner and the OF in the other. It might not be a knockout yet, but we can win on points in the end if we keep the fight going long enough. The delay now also puts Sandy Jardines 'we'll see what they do first and then get them back' agenda right off the topic list for at least a week. It puts the pressure back on his lot, they can't plan their moves and target anyone if nothing is being done to them. The fever driven nonsense that was stirred up to deflect from the real issue has been put to bed for now. They can't announce what 'sanctions' the Ibrox hordes can unleash until they know where they stand, so it effectively relegates that argument for the time being and focuses the debate back onto the real issue of them being fucked and having cheated. IF someone at the SPL/SFA has been as astute in their summation as our learned colleague and perhaps arrived at the same apocalyptic conclusion where Rangers would almost get off unpunished, then delaying the vote is the single best tactical move the SPL could have made. Time and money are Rangers greatest enemies right now and they are fast running out of both. Leaving them in limbo for at least another week might just be the start of the SPL fighting back. By continually delaying a set of known outcomes it means Rangers, not the SPL or SFA will have to show their hand first. Or maybe I'm an eternal optimist!!!!! Just a thought!

you mean loyalist points, right?

Here's my analogy of the recent march and Sandy Jardines comments: Anyone seen the movie Gladiator? That's what it's like. The veiled threats and undertones in his words are from a crumbling empire who knows it's days are numbered. They think that we are all going to die at the end of this battle. Maybe so Sandy, but if our clubs do all end up following your unapologetic poisonous ruin of an an establishment into the myre, rest assured we will still consider this a victory - we will take solace in knowing we had the pleasure of watching you die first. Good riddance. All rationale sympathy I used to have for this lot and the little folks it will affect has now long since gone.

The real point I'd like to raise with the laughable media whores who thought this was a clever campaign: If I have a mate, I don't expect him to kick me AT ALL. Unless I was seriously seriously in the wrong about something. And you're crumbling empire has already admitted being in the wrong, which is why your club is now in the position of being Billy's No Mates.

Ok, I love when people post stuff like this. Too much ammunition. Bare with me, this might go on a bit, but fannybaws with his rant has made this all the more relevant. I was at the game that Nakamura made his debut for Celtic at Parkhead. The Celtic media department had put out fliers attached to the sides of the seats. These fliers were predictably green or white or yellow with a set of instructions on them. The basic idea as per the instructions was that the fliers were to be held aloft when Celtic did 'the huddle' and the way the fliers had been set out at the seated positions would then spell out a welcome message across the terraces from the fans (predictably - hail hail - and welcome shunske, or whatever his name was....) Now for the fun part. Clearly the Celtic media department hadn't taken into account the demographic they were dealing with. Not a lot of English Literary graduates out Parkhead way, as our friend has so ably demonstrated. So...... Around 2.15pm some of the team come out for the warm up and a few sections start holding up the fliers. Bit of a patchwork quilt appears on the terraces. Same happens again when the team come out for the actual game around 2.50pm. Same again when the team actually do get around to 'the huddle'. Not a great deal of co-ordination, which we can attribute to the aforementioned reading skills. No welcome, no message. Nothing. Just a load of random letters appearing at different times from when they were supposed to. At this point two old United fans who were sitting in front of me turn to one another and say: "Here.....Shuggy.....whit de ye suppose that's meant tae say then?" "Eh dinnae ken, eh thought it wiz thur new scoreboard and it wiz fucked. I think it's meant tae say - cure dyslexia!" :) Can't write stuff like that, it just has to happen. If you know or are Shuggy, I salute you and your friend sir. And thanks to our academically challenged friend for ringing that one from my memory banks.

I'd be happy for them to keep the listed building part as its quite nice, the rest they can tear down and we can turn it into a funfair or something like that. Something with a roller coaster preferably, you know, twists, turns, ups and downs and eventually when you leave you feel sick to your stomach

some wee came out when I watched this.....genius!

McCoist's tax dodge game is without question the funniest moment of this whole escapade so far. It really will take some going to top this one. Imagine signing up for that one, bet Ally has shat himself thin on reading about something so relevant that he must have forgotten about. Hope he has a different agent these days! Anyway, onto a more pressing point that this raises once again. Consider this........ Do you have a job? Do you sometimes discuss elements of your job with your colleagues? Even including your pay/tax/holiday pay etc, etc. Of course you do, it's human nature to yap/complain/gloat. So are we all really supposed to believe that none of the playing staff, none of the management, the cleaners, the ground staff and the bold Ally himself knew nothing of each others tax dodge whilst dishing out dressing room and day to day banter? They knew. They all knew. Even Stuart McCall knows..... Used to be a show called The Red Hand Gang on kids telly......if I was of the mind to be a TV producer, what an aptly titled documentary that would make as a double hit.

Here here....if Rangers had paid every club in Scotland a realistic price for the players they lured to Ibrox over the past ten years they'd be in even deeper shit than they are at present. Reap what you sow and all that......

Hmmm.....Ally fast losing any respect he had with other fans over this I feel. Perhaps, in the interests of 'transparency' he is now prepared to tell us exactly what it was that he whispered in Lennons ear at THAT old firm game that made the ginger leprechaun go mental. Just for transparency Ally.....fairs fair after all eh? Or would what you said likely incur the wrath of the numbskulls that you know exist on the other side of the fence and have them barrelling towards you? It's quite a different thing when your inconsiderate words bring trouble to your own door me thinks....

NEWSFLASH: Information on the joint TBK and Blue Knights deal has just come to light. Sources close to the club have indicated the finer points of the deal have been going round and round like a washing machine and is in the main being financed with half a pound of tuppeny rice and half a pound of treacle. An outcome is expected soon.....

If every other fan of every other club starts to use only the sponsors that the Rangers fans are targeting, one can assume that will even out nicely. I'm off to William Hills for a wee flutter.....

Ok sorry to bring up the word transparency again, but since all clubs have an opportunity on Monday to show just how crystal clear or opaque they want to be, here's a suggestions for Mondays meeting at Hampden: How about Peter Lawell and someone from the sinking ship in Govan bring the documentation of all talks held with EPL representatives over the past few years, just for transparency. Then we can all see just how desperate the OF were/are to jump ship and leave us all to wither and die. It astounds me that on one hand they want details of every meeting the other clubs and panels have yet refuse to give out any that show they have/had every intention of running off with not a second thought for the welfare of Scottish football as a whole, while on the other - they tell us through the media and every self important windbag they can muster (Smith, Jardine, etc) - that without them we will die and we'd better stop laughing and watch out! NEWSFLASH: We've been watching for a long long time Mr Lawell, Mr. Smith, et al - and while you were scheming and dreaming of a life less ordinary in the EPL, our chairmen have been preparing for this day. DO NOT LET US DOWN THE SPL 10!! If anyone has the right or power to issue a warning shot across the bows of the SPL 10 it is us - their fans - not the OF. Perhaps a nice little poll to gather weight of opinion would be the way to put pressure back on the OF and show Sandy Jardine that we really truly do not care and we are preparing to make our bed and lie in it. I for one will never set foot in Tannadice or any other Scottish ground ever again if this rodeo refuses to leave town under fair punishment. How many others feel the same? Many of you I suspect. And in doing so we - not Rangers - or Celtic - the real fans of OUR clubs - have the power to kill Scottish football, but for the right moral and social reasons. If Rangers, any proposed newco are let off lightly or if recinding of the punishments are done wholesale - the game, its rulers and everything else will have proved itself to be rotten to the core and no longer worth saving.

Ah, time for my third post. The second doesn't really count as it was a reply of thanks. Like a blissfully ignorant bad tempered grizzly awakening from its hibernation only to find someone has stolen all the honey, I'd like you all to take a peek at what the marvellous media moguls at Rangers Media knocked out only a few short months ago. Indeed the bear neccessities. Incredibly, as a previous post refers to, Rangers Media have attempted a club character assassination on Raith Rovers for being a little short of cash with a list of creditors and published accounts, claiming that the bold inquisitor Eric Drysdale should tend to his own garden first. These weighty impartial journos at Rangers Media are asking if Eric Drysdale is a fit and proper person to be making such an incredulous judgement against their beloved club. Perhaps a question of too little too late, if only they had thought to ask this of their own club chairman but a few short months ago.... Just in case you're having your breakfast cereal or a mouthful of hot coffee/tea, please ensure you've finished or swallowed and there are no others around when you click on the link below, I'd really be appalled if I were to have put something out there that could potentially cause damage or injury to anyone else. Isn't that right Ally? Oh, and while you're reading, please have some form of cloth or towel to mop up the wee that will no doubt escape when you note the date of the article...... http://home.rangersm...ow-in-town.html P.S. I particularly like the comment at the bottom of the article in question from a Mr. Dave Cummings, a nice personal touch from someone who loves their club is always good to see.