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Not sure the flat earth society believe in extinction they were separated before liquidation and are now wallowing around the edges of existence saying they are still as dominant as ever.

last night I watched a new documentary with Richard Dawkins he was debating whether we need godor whether education and science are now leading to a new morality. They questioned life after death which Dawkins dismissed and then there was a Sevco disclaimer

Again this piss about selecting snippets of my post , it is impolite you can highlight it but show the post in its entirety that way any reader can see the full content not just the bits that suit your argument. I don't do it to you beleaguered excuses but again this just highlights the Sevco argument and why your in this mess. Murray nine in a row v where do we get all that money from isin't that a lot of debt we are carrying ? Whyte wealth off the radar v string of failed companies (insolvency) Green we will always be the same v administration, liquidation , Newco Rangers RIP If you are the people than the human race is fucked

So you hate the SPL for trying to do your new club a favour by trying to get them into Division 1 but you hate them for that , but the SFL who knocked that back but gave your new club entry into the third even though the rules were bent but they are good guys. Looks like a confused argument to me but no doubt perfectly normal for Sevco.

Had to check this wasn't the two cheeks thread as it looks like its descended into a pissing contest of we have more gullible supporters than you's. Couldn't care less about how many muppets go that was hat the authorities were looking at when they were giving them consideration than none of the diddy clubs would have gotten. It makes no odds how many turn up at Ibrox compared to Celtic Park at the moment its like comparing apples with oranges (no pun intended) just as Leeds comparing themselves to Man United. This however is complete whereaboutery on this thread it is about the administration , forth coming liquidation .

I thing he need to grease his o ring and replace the huffen wangler.

Honest diddy club v cheating , lying mega club wannabees (oldco) Sevco using the identity and history of another club , while languishing in the bottom tier and not exactly ripping the pish out of the part timers. Sevco the new Uber Diddy Club not even a a full member of the league they play in

The sheer fact that you are not laughing along with us with these ridiculous figures of projected earnings. As I said before you don't want to listen to the advice , concerns that is entirely up to you buy into Charlie's bucket , I'm sure you'll find it a sound investment and all those business analysts are way off as they have an agenda as well. What would you like to know about my Morton credentials, I still think you have more to worry about than whether the people trying to give a sense of perspective to all the We are on our way to the European elite. Come on how you going to achieve that if you won't enter the SPL and according to you Peter Liewell is the grand inquisitor of all organisations , so how are you going to get him to restructure the league so Charlie is able to play ?? Because one of those is incompatable with a reasoned argument. Really there are so many holes in the Sevco dream its hard to know where to start. Your defence or system of denial starts with asking others what is it got to do with them rather than taking that information and weighing up the pros and cons of what you are being told by your own club whose owner is not a football supporter but a salesman, who wants to make money when others could not. What is the difference between green's plans and Murray's ? Given the latters was during an economic spike and this one is in a global recession. Even if you buy into the shares at the £20 million mark you know or should know that would gone in a few transfers. It is the projection of revenue that is totally pie in the sky so how much will it take to try and break into the Chinese market ? All valid questions but you have considered those no doubt.

I did suspect that having asked the question then fecked off while ignoring the issue. I may be doing him a disservice he may be chaining himself to the gates of Ibrox as we speakdemanding credible answers for the £500 investment. You are no doubt correct and I am wasting my time but that is their problem , plenty of advice and warnings have been given out even by their biggest rivals ok we have had our fun but thats all part of it.

All it states he didn't mean to cause offence not that he said they were useless or the fact they can emulate business figures like those quoted despite the extreme compedative nature of the EPL. This is another clumsy back pedal by Green, he needs to concentrate on the reality of his club gaining successful promotions and entry into the SPL before he can even consider Europe.

Bennett, Morton have been through a similar near miss and we also went down the buy big without the success while others like Hamilton, St Johnstone etc had a sensible business strategy , we have returned to a more sensible financial footing and the supporters are well aware that we will eventually have to go part time, this is not that big an issue as it is about the survival of the club in the long term. When I want to post on anything about my club I use our own unofficial site I don't need P+B to do that. The fact that you again treat myself and others with suspicion over the content of post makes it evident you will continue to further duped by any vulture wishing to eat over the carcass of Rangers. It makes no difference to me what occurs to your club but as a football supporter I have a certain empathy with any supporter. So I have answered, honestly your questions so why don't you do the same and if you have reservations it is no use keeping them to yourself you need to open that up with your fellow supporters.

Everyone has witnessed why this is unlikely to occur anyone puts their head over the parapet is branded a tarrier.

The first thing they need to cure in their mindset is anyone who asks questions or shows any sign of opposition to the clubs hierarchy is not necessarily an enemy. The danger isin't Charles Green the danger is them acting with a critical response to his vision (sales patter - call it what you want). English highlights the phenomena and so have many other journalists, pundits, bloggers and casual posters for those who say they don't follow everything Green is saying why aren't Bears on the different Rangers websites persuading others rather than defending their club on here. i don't know in THE rangers new entity are in danger of going into administration again but I can clearly see that the figures Green is quoting are totally flawed, so you have to be suspicious of anyone clearly not being totally honest. Can I ask a question of those who believe Green's business plan , then you must believe those who bought over the club are only interested in a profitable return, how long will it be for them to get that return if they are talking about restructuring not just domestically but in Europe. We are not talking about a few months here. Plus any deal with tv companies and domestic leagues would have to be honoured, it is pure fantasy. Not taking the pish out of their plight but their club doesn't need anymore blowing smoke up its arse it needs a solid grounding with financial stability whether it takes 4 years or 14 years to return to a level Rangers were once at, makes no odds if your survival is guaranteed. When the Bunnet was at Celtic he told them exactly how it was going to be , he showed them a hard nosed business sense that they had never experienced that was the same sensibilities you require . (this isin't a pro celtic up thing, it is the best example of the pragmatical approach needed). But hey its their club not mine .

carry on as if your normal. Don't want to hear about the mess your in fair enough stick me on ignore why come on at all because we'll keep bringing this stuff up , your mob don't do walking away well the rest of us are sitting comfy waiting for it all to unravel.

Bennett they will have to enter the fray at some point to complete the liquidation process the only thing holding that up must be the Administrators.

It is a pity the length of details the article highlights as the length will obviously be too much for the average Sevconian to complete. The figures Green has issued are totally shredded , this is not just talking a business up it is utter fantasy which will result in the only people buying into this are ordinary supporters, there is nothing any investor would take as credible. Green just reminds me of Hugh Scott, started off pulling figures out the air about where we were going and when things didn't go his way (making money from selling Cappielow in his instance) he then became increasingly hostile towards everyone. We however had a whole range of opinions and actions against him as it became clear we were a money making exercise and anything would be sold to achieve this.

The guy covers news items globally, when he took up the story he clearly stated he knew nothing of Scottish football but the fact the the majority of the information and interest comes from others is not surprising given the constant denial by Rangers supporters. Constantly wrong, and clearly biased from the CVA to the tax cases and even before when the journo's stated in hindsight they could not have exposed Craig Whyte due to the mindset of the Rangers support. Does that not worry you that some cannot accept any criticism even when that caused the demise of the club. I would be more concerned at the lack of reflection of what went wrong from within before looking at others. Your supporters biggest fault was trusting those accused of wrong doing and mistrusting those from the outside. You are now doing the exact same , Green talking about flights of fancy and it is this that makes a mockery of your clubs position not the posters on here or elsewhere. The alarm bells should be ringing in your own heads first not having others telling you all to beware.

How funny it is in the curious world of the ugly sisters ( well we can't use old firm anymore as that is grammatically incorrect) from your posted extract of Thomson's comments on the book I would have thought it would have been Celtic supporters who would have took umbrage with Thomson for wishing the spawn of Rangers well and success in the future. Why Sevco fans cannot see the truth of their plight has come from different perspectives yet ended up with the same conclusion. Thomson's voice adds neutrality to this guy Phil's obvious one sided stance on the institution that was Rangers. Now I can see why they would take issue with that but in the history of the demise of their club given the utter delusion by almost every former 1872 Rangers that information and expose was never likely to come from them. This again just highlights the campaign of indiscriminate blaming they have followed since the start of the whole sorry mess , its easier to blame others than to say we were mugs we got taken in by not just one but two shysters. Now they are onto their third and it is still the same it's Peter Lawell, its the Celtic lawyers, its the sheer hatred of our success, its everything bar their own gullibility. The fact that we have multiple threads running, yet the only dispute is those of a blue persuasion that this is someone else's fault or they are being unfairly treated.

I don't know about the guy Phil MaeGhoolies or whatever his name is although he does seem a bit of a pie but no more so than many other attached to either side of the ugly sisters. Thomson you say he wrote a foreword to this guys book and all his work got unwound , why whether you agree or disagree with the fake Oirish guy or not but how does that blow everything that Thomson reported out of the water. So by the same token does that mean that everytime Chuckie has been wrong you believe everything is tainted. You need to explain why everything Thomson has reported is undermined.

I think he got more right than many of your own, the problem being you don't know the difference between those investigating the news from those who are busy trying to surpress it for their own ends.

Belittling others about facilities is pretty distasteful given the way he claims Sevco are debt free. One thing about stepping on people on your way up they tend to remember on your way down.

It will be whether they believe the money will eventually go for player or even if its just to give them more working capital, if it is the latter the big question is why so early after the season ticket sales. If they are already short of cash then it begs several questions how long will the extra money last and the other is would it highlight the signing policy from the inception of Resurrection Rangers. Either way many Sevconians will simply have to go with it for fear of the club going belly up again. Damned if they do , damned if they don't. However even if they buy into it there is still no guarantee it could all end in the shit if they cannot get investors on board and why would they, most football clubs are a rich mans play thing.

If the business is now worth 25-30 million having lost the majority of their playing staff and are now in the bottom tier of senior football so would it be reasonable to assume that the 5.5 million Sevco purchased the assets seen as being sold off too cheaply ? All the stuff about European leagues fucking hell is minty back . He picks out Southampton who have sold plenty of talent to balance their books but they are in the EPL on merit. Now there were no clamour for this when original Rangers had some success in Europe but they are a sideshow. Sevconians might not want to hear this but they bring absolutely nothing to a major league. Come on this is minty moonbeam territory surely no one believes this nonsense.

Although most of the details must be pretty rigid given the short period of time between the promotional tour and the announcement of the share issue. He is obviously using the expansion into Asia and others as a way to grow the business but as others have highlighted this will not be an overnight and any strategy looks long term. The worry ( not mine) is the share issue looks as though it will be used for the purposes of some everyday running costs, without knowing how much of the money raised would go towards these overheads would determine how much was then distributed to other avenues transfer budgets etc. Then you have to look at the long term projections of this expansion how much risk of it being successful and what would be the consequences of its failure or if the targets fail to materialise, where then do you go to gain more investment. Without a big investor coming in with some altruistic motives I don't see it as being attractive for investors other than supporters willing or able to lose the money.