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34 minutes ago, DumbartonBud said:
St Mirren have done an end of season remembrance for fans that have passed in the previous 12 months with their names being read out and displayed in the big screen, that should be the best time for this kind of thing.
Such a simple idea that would mean so much to many of the families of the deceased. Perhaps a page in the last match programme of the season as well?
Well done to St Mirren and any other club that does this. What is football without the fans?
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2 hours ago, Stellaboz said:
Clubs absolutely can search every single person who enters the stadium.
@CaspianChris and the ArabTRUST, amongst others, were asking how someone could be able to get into the away end with the half bottle. I’ve not heard from anyone that has a workable suggestion that would prevent people with half bottles concealed in their underwear from entering the ground with the item remaining undetected.
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30 minutes ago, SJFCtheTeamForMe said:
Wasn't the wee boy I seen. It's cool though you can all jump to conclusions and assume I was talking about the wee boy and laughing at him
cause that's the usual on the internet. About 6 of you quoted me jumping to that wrong conclusion.
It was an idiots who lit and chucked them getting his hand treated I seen
is everyone wanting to feel sorry for and jump to his defence as well?
The fact you said “it wasn’t the wee boy I seen” would indicate the person you state you saw getting treatment was still a “wee boy”. Yes, he definitely shouldn’t have holding a flare and yes he should get suitably punished but, no sorry, I’m still not seeing humour in the scenario where a “wee boy” get his hands burnt.
Do you genuinely still maintain you think that’s funny? You’re obviously entitled to your own opinion but I just find that bizarre.
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36 minutes ago, Raith Against The Machine said:
I was searched on the way in, having been greeted at the turnstile by a steward asking "voluntary search?".
Hard to see how anyone has foiled that system.
If you refuse to submit to ground regulation 13 then they would likely apply ground regulation 17. Therefore the system would not be foiled in the way you are alluding to.
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3 hours ago, CaspianChris said:
That's a total disgrace from the individual who threw that.
Questions need to be asked about how they were able to get that in the ground as well.
Absolutely agree that it is a disgrace for the individual that threw it.
I’m not trying to be smart (I would undoubtedly fail) but with regards to how they got it in the ground I have been going to the football for many years and have never had a pat down around my groin area and I have never been strip searched - for very obvious reasons. Have you ever had that sort of search done?
At a guess I would suggest they got it in the ground tucked in their underwear while wearing looser trousers. I’m not sure how you can stop such items getting in a ground in such a manner.
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1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said:
I'm very concerned by it tbh. Two absolute passengers in there who Levein is absolutely obsessed with playing, then Phillips, who has a habit of looking really good while simultaneously failing to ever track runners or not hand the ball away 20 yards from our own goal.
All 3 contribute nothing in attack (the only goals they've this season has been against you (Kucheriavyi x2, Smith at Dens, Phillips has 0)) while also crippling us off the ball.
Just goes to show some players really do raise their game for certain opposition. It’s almost like they believe it’s a derby…..
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10 hours ago, Glen Scotia said:
I can see us binning Goodwin and Docherty coming to the big team
Doc has complimented the Dundee support on numerous occasions saying how much he and the team appreciate the atmosphere. I don’t think he appreciates the sound of knitting needles with only the occasional “roaring crescendo” when things are going well.
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35 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:
What the actual f**k are our defenders doing here? Wide open goal, player lining a shot up, and theyre casually strolling out the box holding each others hands.
I’m not saying your defence is blameless but I’d be more concerned with your midfield if I were you.
There were two Dundee players running towards goal down your right hand side from midfield with nobody near them. In fairness to your players in defence I think they assumed Cameron wouldn’t shoot (very few players would have) and were therefore more concerned with the Dundee players running up the park to support play. Players not being tracked by your midfield.
One of the players supporting our attack was McCowan. It appeared to me that was a player your players were coached to stop influencing the game so I don’t think you can criticise them too heavily for concentrating on him and the other Dundee player.
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11 minutes ago, Lalo said:
Lyall Cameron has been outstanding for us the past 3/4 months, fucking love that boy
I was critical of Cameron not so long ago with regards to his defensive efforts. I thought he jumped in too quickly to tackles and was a bit lightweight.
Today showed he’s absolutely worked on and improved the defensive side of his game. Cameron and McCowan are so entertaining to watch.
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1 hour ago, Lalo said:
Made hard work of it but take the win every day. Wee shoutout to the Perth Ultras walking past everyone over the age of 16, laying in about 14 year olds and getting lifted. Good laugh
When I entered the car park before the game I overheard a St Johnstone fan is his late 30s / early 40s slagging a young Dundee fan for wearing shorts. He was laughing with his mates loudly proclaiming “bet he cant afford long trousers.” This comment was made despite the fact the said St Johnstone fan was wearing a Lyle and Scott top. Very strange behaviour.
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Back to the football. That’s one of our poorer performances this season so particularly happy to get all three points. Especially when you consider the hostile atmosphere created by the Fair City Unity…..
I thought we missed Beck today. Although Dodgson was pretty good first half I thought he was poor in the second. Hopefully that has blown away any rustiness after the international break as we will definitely have to play better to take anything from Motherwell.
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24 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:
It was a piss take this time, based on what I said on the last one. I thought it was fairly obvious considering I've spent the rest of the thread calling us shite?
The use of the word “genuinely” and referring to us as the Harlem Globetrotters had me thinking it was you trying to make out that despite Dundee’s efforts this season we weren’t that far ahead of St Johnstone and as such weren’t as good as some think we are.
Just goes to show how easy it is for the tone of words to be misinterpreted on this forum. Perhaps it’s best for me just to post the following. That way everyone will know exactly what is meant by it.
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On 18/03/2024 at 21:11, RandomGuy. said:
Win this and we go 5pts behind the Harlem Globetrotters.
Genuinely astounding to realise that, yet it's a fact.
Surely not as astounded as Scottish football fans everywhere would have been if that actually happened?
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8 minutes ago, The Real Saints said:
Are the East Stand queues this mental every week? Jesus
Only for the derbies apparently….,
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Any Dundee fan looking to buy tickets better be quick. Looks like there are only 30 or so tickets left for sale (half section nearest the the St J’s fans are not for sale).
Not sure what the availability of seating in the home end is like.
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4 minutes ago, scottsdad said:
There is a woman selling batteries in the local play park.
She sells C cells by the seasaw.
I heard the local beat Bobby caught her and her friend who was selling fireworks.
I was told the officer charged one and let the other off.
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Just now, Sergeant Wilson said:
Are you actually reading all that?
I must admit I did. It’s at times like this I wish I was interested in golf
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@SH Panda If I understand you correctly your opinion is if Tony Benn, or anyone else for that matter, did pay fees to reduce inheritance tax “that’s probably going too far.” Given the measures he took were relatively complicated I think it’s fair to say there is a good chance he would require the use of a legal / tax advisor. Alternatively, you stated “if you can take reasonable steps yourself to limit your tax burden - fair enough”.
I know you’re not interested in the specifics of Benn’s Will and I only mentioned them again to give an example of why I am a little perplexed regarding your apparent stand on reducing inheritance tax.
Are you saying you think it’s OK for someone who is educated in matters of inheritance tax to take reasonable measures themselves to avoid inheritance tax but you think it is “probably going too far” for someone who is not educated in these matters to pay someone to get legal and financial advice? I’m not sure that is a fair way of doing things.
Like you said everyone will have their own line and that’s fair enough. Just curious why you feel there is a distinction from someone who pays to limit their inheritance tax and someone well versed in these matters who doesn’t require assistance?
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6 hours ago, SH Panda said:
It depends what he did. There's a difference between spending 100k with an estate planner to avoid inheritance tax, or just taking reasonable steps yourself to give money to your family.
Every idea is idealistic until it happens. 100 years ago the idea of a welfare state or universal healthcare would be a pipe dream. Indeed even the idea of a pension is a a raidcally new concept in human history.
A fully open labour market without borders would add, according to the economist, $1 trillion to global gdp. Why wouldn't you advocate for policies that will make a huge improvement to life around the world?
The political appetite from the conservative party is to remove inheritance tax altogether which is a totally bonkers idea. It's actually a sad indictment of political discourse that's even a serious discussion.
Not that lots of new taxation is the answer either, the government does many things badly and few things well. There's little evidence giving them more money will drastically help things if they continually mismanage it.
The UK faces a pretty dire outlook, only creativity and some deeper discussions about the role of the state will prevent a continuing steep decline. It benefits those in power to keep discussions about bin collections and transgender bathrooms rather than things that will make a difference long term.
And if you think the idea of people living and working anywhere is a totally spaced out concept - it already exists. Pretty much every rich person can do it.
Maybe he did, I have no idea about his charitable donations. Maybe he didn't even make them public.
I'm neither for or against the guy, I just understand the rationale of pushing for change, but if unsuccessful working within the system as it currently is.
I assume this is a subject you are interested in as you have spent a reasonable amount of time giving lengthy replies. You may wish to take a bit of time to google about Benn’s will. In the context of inheritance tax it makes for interesting reading.
Dare I say it goes to the very heart of what it appears many people find problematic with inheritance tax. Namely most people understand that inherited wealth does increase the social divide, something that, if only for future social cohesion, requires to be addressed. It’s just that people’s love for their children and their desire to see them safe and secure is usually their over riding thought, especially when contemplating their own death.
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12 hours ago, SH Panda said:
It is perfectly practical, it's just uncomfortable for people which is why it should be raised.
It depends what your desired outcome is. We need to get over the mindset that policies can benefit everyone. If equity is a societal goal then inheritance tax would be one of the easiest things to tackle.
Your point around enforcement is a good one too. The inability to tax people fairly isn't due to any technical difficulties - it's a choice.
You can't apply a country solution to a global problem, if you want to tax people properly it needs to be a global minimum tax rate. And if you want to avoid trust fund / estate loopholes it's easy - just close them. They exist because governments allow them to exist.
This requires a huge amount of political will and global coordination that isn't likely - but is possible and would be a very good thing were it to happen.
Equity benefits society in a myriad of ways, the next Stephen Hawking is far more likely to be born in Nigeria than the UK (given it's a far larger country) but his/her chances of reaching the same level of success are much lower because of a lack of opportunities. That harms the individual, and it harms us all really.
A world where everyone has a chance to reach their full potential would benefit everyone.
Given most people worldwide will get no inheritance, it makes sense for it to be taxed 100% IMO. And ideally it should be ringfenced for education and not spent on, say, allowing the Royal family to avoid inheritance tax.
There's no doubt that would be an outcome of it.
And such a generational wealth transfer would also benefit society too. Rich old people tend to hoard money and not spend it, at least if they give it away whilst living it will stimulate the economy quicker.
This makes total sense too.
It's one thing being against the system, and trying to change it, but if you can't then your options are either follow it, or donate your families money to the state where it will be a rounding error on their enormous balance sheet.
Quite an easy choice really.
You can think the tax rate should be 60%, not 40%, and send 20% extra to HMRC just for a laugh.
This will change nothing (it will probably cost HMRC more hassle if anything).
He could have chosen to donate to charities that he verbally championed when alive rather than give so much to his family, thereby perpetuating the advantages of inherited wealth. Advantages that he was so vehemently against.
Quite an easy choice really.
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11 hours ago, Thane of Cawdor said:
Many years ago I read (or possibly saw) an interview with Tony Benn where he explained his views on inherited wealth. Tony was against it, but would leave it up to his children to decide. I don't know what Hilary and Melissa did with their inheritance, but their brother is now Viscount Stansgate.
Tony Benn regularly stated how unfair inherited wealth was. He left his 4 children just over £1M each before inheritance tax.
His financial affairs were also arranged in such a way as to reduce the inheritance tax payable. It is understood that he used trust/s and the Acceptance in Lieu Scheme (donating a record of your posts on P&B to the British Museum is unlikely to be accepted under this scheme…)
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9 hours ago, Ludo*1 said:
Eric Drysdale saying on Twitter that although Sylla is on a 2 year deal we have an option of termination without pay-off this summer should he not hit an appearance threshold. Not that I imagine we'll trigger it but interesting nonetheless.
Fitness aside, I wonder if that’s why he was used more sparingly when he first came here? If true it’s definitely a good sign we are being a bit more ruthless / business like with the contracts we offer.
I’d also argue the way Doc is conducting himself and the way the team is progressing it may be slightly easier to sign players that genuinely want to improve or have a point to prove. In the past I think we’ve been guilty of signing players that are simply after a big salary.
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20 minutes ago, ExiledLichtie said:
Initially, his performances did suggest a big improvement. Even with almost no players, we looked significantly better organised, played better football, and I'd argue we were very unlucky not to get more points. And yes, he's been absolutely shafted with injury, and as Simon correctly said above, we still don't have a fully fit squad. We were also dealing with 18 months of frankly mismanagement, so I'd argue that its not all his fault. I suspect that the way events went, we would have been relegated regardless of the manager.
However, it has been extremely poor in recent months. The spirit has been kicked out of our team, and McIntyre is clearly not the person to bring it back. Even potential feelgood stories seemed to immediately have the joy sucked out of them. It might not be entirely his fault, but the thought of him getting another window and then leading the team into next season gives me the fear, and serious John Brownlie vibes.
2 minutes ago, Tattie36 said:I never expected him to be brilliant but hoped he would at least steady the ship.
I don’t think fans of other clubs quite understand the utterly hellish situation we were in when he took over - an unbalanced squad, lacking quality who’d just taking pumpings off TNS and Spartans, and with an unprecedented injury situation.
Most clubs say they have an injury crisis when they have 3 or 4 key players out. We literally had 12-13 players, many of them first choice, out injured at the same time. When you have to bring on your sub keeper as centre forward because you have only 2 on the bench and yet another players had to go off injured, then you can see the kind of predicament we were in.
He had to be given time as it was a bizarre environment to be dropped into, how can anyone be judged is such circumstances? His early results and performances showed promise, especially considering the aforementioned issues. The more time has gone on though and with players returning from injury plus new guys coming in has showed that he’s not the man for the job.
I don’t buy this “he was shite at Dundee and Cove (he wasn’t particularly), therefore he’s bound to get you relegated” stuff. He was good at Dunfermline but equally that doesn’t mean he would be a success. Some managers (and players) just seem to fit at certain clubs and not others.
I was willing to give him a chance but it’s not working and never will imo. Holding on to Campbell for so long and hoping that things would change is the reason we’re in this shit in the first place. By all means give him to the end of the season but unless there’s a gigantic upturn then it’s bye bye.
I just think being involved with three relegated teams in a row (sorry but I think you are as good as relegated) is more than just coincidence. You both appear to be alluding to the fact he’s still potentially a good manager. Nothing wrong with that as football is all about opinions. Out of interest, once he leaves Arbroath which level of club do you think he will manage next?
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1 minute ago, Tattie36 said:
I did think that he had to be given time as it was an awful situation he came into. However, match fit players or not, he’s had a full squad for weeks now and has brought in a few of his own guys. There has been absolutely nothing since to indicate that he’s going by to turn this round. Results and performances have got arguably worse with no sign of improvement.
I’m not trying to be wise after the facts and I can understand you may think I had an ulterior motive seeing as I am a Dundee fan but as I tried to explain late January McIntyre made a very poor Dundee side worse thereby confirming relegation. He made a Cove side worse, sending them well on the way to relegation. I genuinely thought when I posted back in January he was making Arbroath worse.
To me, three relegations in a row show he’s simply not up to it or alternatively it was the only gigs he was offered or they paid the most. Regardless which it is surely few clubs would now think to offer him a deal after he leaves Arbroath?
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Tributes in Grounds
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If your heart can take the celebrations of Saturday night I’m sure you’ve got a good few years left in you yet Bairnardo.