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12 minutes ago, Good Citizen Bad Citizen said:
Apparently we got the licence but it won't get officially signed off until SFA re-convene on the 25th. That's what I was told anyway.
Now, we were asked to submit documents by Friday, we did that, was told they'd sign us off today. Kelty have been signed off and we are the only ones that haven't. It's not very difficult for the SFA to OK it so why wasn't it done today?
The club have tried to reassure us that it's a done deal and we'll be playing league 2 football next season but there's still a part of me that thinks that a few things just don't add up
The Licence Committee are independent of the SFA and they alone make licence decisions, and those are only made at committee meetings. So in theory at least, if this committee didn't grant the Bronze licence on Friday then there won't be a review of that until their next meeting which is apparently September. As far as I am aware the SFA aren't required to sign anything off, it's not their decision.
The SFA updated their licence list today as at 7th June (Friday), Kelty Hearts are now Bronze, Edinburgh City remain Entry.
https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/11943/070624-club-licensing-awards.pdf
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2 hours ago, Quentin Taranbino said:
Isn't this so that next season they can join the Stirlingshire FA and be involved in the Stirlingshire Cup from next season?
I know both were disappointed to not be involved this year and assuming they would be (although only Stirlingshire fa members are allowed to particpate). It's no coincidence this sfja move comes shortly after the news they wernt in Stirlingshire cup which is a bigger cup than the current juniors
The Stirlingshire FA / Cup is a Senior organisation/competiton. It has nothing to do with Junior football.
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44 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
What was the point of the July 1st deadline then? And why a points deduction rather than expulsion? Is there a discretionary element, and if so, could further "periods of grace" be available?
Well they really should be facing expulsion, they will not have a Bronze licence come 1st July.
Whether that happens or not is an entirely different matter, the SPFL don't appear to be too concerned that their corrupt auld pals act with the diddy cup was highlighted across the media, so I guess they won't be too fussed if they ignore their own rules and keep EC in the SPFL.
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22 hours ago, Hammyton said:
A big enough points deduction to ensure they effectively finish bottom is what I believe will happen.
But then that allows them to play another season without a Bronze licence because, if I were EC, I wouldn't bother after that as relegation to the LL would be almost certain.
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1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said:
I spy with my little eye something beginning with G?
Grandstand?
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If a Bronze licence has been awarded, the club would surely be shouting about this, no?
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D Day?
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1 minute ago, Shannon said:
It obviously makes sense for Dunipace and Sauchie and they want to try it out for at least one season. There is money to be made in the Scottish Junior Cup - I dont think Irvine Meadow have ever lost money in the Junior Cup even when we have went out in early rounds in recent seasons. A few home ties or a good run in Junior Cup can certainly help increase your playing budget.
I was very pro pyramid and thought the Juniors were dinosaurs but clearly there are factions and some people can't see both sides and is just all Junior Cup - bad when anything that can help make your club more cash should be looked at. I am sure a number of West clubs would love a wee trip to Dunipace or Sauchie although be a very tough game to get through.
Draw one or two NRJFA clubs you're losing money, that's more likely than progression to the QF.
My opinion is the Junior Cup should be scrapped/gracefully retired, and the assets of the SJFA distributed amongst members clubs which should be a few thousand each. It's relevance diminishes with every passing season and all it seems to do is cause fixture backlog.
There's a good chance the handful of EoS clubs will have to withdraw anyway due to fixture clashes.
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11 hours ago, Shannon said:
Must feel they can fit in the extra games and I would fancy both if get lucky enough with draw to get to later rounds and get some more than decent prize money that they don't get in South Challenge Cup. Will be interesting to see how they do and if East of Scotland fixture secretary doesn't make it awkward for them to take part in Junior Cup. I can see a few more clubs joining if Sauchie or Dunipace get to a quarter or semi final and earn upwards of £30,000-50,000 in total through prize money / gate receipts etc. Then word gets about so other clubs want a piece of that with funding for football clubs and sponsorship getting even harder to come by now the extra few thousand pounds will be most welcome & that will start to turn heads as Round 4-5 or further is very achievable for most East Premier teams if avoid Talbot..and then start to get prize money.
That has no basis in reality unless they win it, more chance of losing money than actually making any. Also Junior Cup doesn't receive any sort of priority in the EoS so it may disrupt their seasons if trying to fit in extra cup games. Sauchie probably have a very good chance of winning the Premier next season, and Dunipace can certainly make an impression.
Makes no sense at all.
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Dunipace (and Sauchie) re-joining the SJFA, I mean, why on earth would you do that after being promoted to the Premier?
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1 hour ago, welshbairn said:
I could see them giving it another go with B-teams along with the ex-SPFL 5, they really don't give a f**k.
That would not be a surprise, but they would still need it to get through a vote at SFA AGM.
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39 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
Have you looked at the league tables of either? Teams on single figure points or very close, clubs conceding over 100 goals, regular 7-0+ scorelines.For the LL, that'll probably disappear once Gretna go down this season. Otherwise, its a very competitive league.
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7 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
There's nothing like the thrill of a minnow like Clach taking on the big teams and beating them, like we did to Buckie and BoD this season, also drawing with Fraserburgh. Taking the top 6 away in one go would ruin the league.
There didn't seem much enthusiasm from the HL clubs for Maxwell's Conference.
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3 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
If there was enough will for this type of league it could work.
I've said this on here before, but a league of 12 with 6 HL clubs in a "Highland Conference" and 6 LL clubs a "Lowland Conference". Play everyone in your own conference four times (20 games) and everyone in the other conference twice (12 games). 32 in total. Winner of each conference plays-off for the overall title, bottom of each conference relegated.
Clubs only have 6 journeys outside of their "usual" region, but it would deal with the massive competitiveness issues that plague both leagues.
However, it doesn't include B teams so wouldn't suit the Lowland League and doesn't have cup competitions taking up the whole season and everyone playing out pointless 10-0 wins against bottom top clubs so wouldn't suit the Highland League.
A "buffer" between L2 and HL/LL was the aim of the Conference, and the inclusion of B teams was to pay for it and give relegated L2 teams some money. Forget all the crap from Maxwell about developing players for Scotland. If it wasn't for the social media campaign which spooked a lot of clubs, it probably would have been voted through IMO.
I don't believe the Conference idea is completely dead, the SFA don't give up that easily and there will be support from the SPFL. What that looks like and when they try again is anyones guess, but it will almost certainly include B teams.
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1 minute ago, Casey Jones said:
So, no one can make a point on an open-forum unless they agree with you?
So first you quote me and ask me a question that has been answered over the preceding couple of pages, then you chuck abuse at me, and now you're making stuff up. Stop making an utter arse of yourself.
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Just now, Casey Jones said:
You really are a self-centred twat. Are you the P&B police, trying to give me the equivalent of a red card
So you wade into something where you completely miss the point, and now you're calling posters "twats". Jog on
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Just now, Casey Jones said:
Thanks for the red dot again. Bet you wish you had patented it!
Do you have a large stock of paper hankies to hand,
, when anyone has the audacity not to agree with you?
Seriously, don't get involved if you're incapable of understanding what the point is.
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21 minutes ago, Casey Jones said:
Honestly don’t see what the issue is here? Couple of posters on here defending the South of Scotland league position within the pyramid system and you/others having a go at them - why?
None of those teams have stopped the likes of Tranent and Broxburn getting promoted to the lowland League. If the likes of Dalbeattie & (can’t remember the team who Tranent/Darvel met). Win play-offs, they deserve to go up. On both occasions, they lost, so no damage done to EoS sides.
There are many flaws about the pyramid system, but surely SoSL isn’t one of them.
If you don't understand the point being made, best to leave it.
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16 hours ago, Clyde01 said:
The SoS could move in its entirety to sit parallel to wosfl4. That would allow the majority of them to stay together forevermore at a more appropriate level whilst offering the stronger clubs like Dalbeattie a pathway to progression that wouldn’t end in 12-2 aggregate pumpings.
That's a sensible way forward. It allows the SoS to remain as an independent league feeding into the WoS at an appropriate level. As it stands, there's effectively a glass ceiling to the SoS given the insurmountable gap with the LL play-off. At least a tie-up with the WoS allows clubs the opportunity of promotion upwards without needing to resign from the league (Threave).
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1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:
I have to admit that I'm (almost) as intransigent in my position as those I disagree with. I will never accept that a league, and it's clubs, who engaged with the pyramid from the beginning should make way for the convenience of those who didn't, and in many cases still don't. So what can we do, aside from whine about the SOSL on as many different boards and threads as possible?
Also, unless you're all in possession of crystal balls, there is no guarantee that Dalbeattie Star, for example, will still be outmatched by the likes of Broxburn in 5, 10 or 15 years time. Remember when Clyde knocked Celtic out the cup and almost got promoted to the top division? Now look at them...
This is the type of attitude that stops us having a properly structured Pyramid with sensible pro/rel throughout. All little fiefdom's beligerantly defending what they have with zero thought about the bigger picture.
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14 minutes ago, An Absolute Imposter said:
'superfluous irrelevant' sums up most guff on p&b.
I'm not associated with or a fan of any club in the South so don't have any tinted specs on.
All I will say is you must not be reading the same stuff I read, or read it differently.
There is a constant disdain for all things south on here.
The thing is within the SOSFL there is at least 2 maybe even 3 tier levels so to just throw them all in at the bottom tier would be wrong, a proper, wel thought out integration is what is required.
The SOSFL I feel have not done themselves any favours in the long run by sticking their head in the sand when both the EOSFL and WOSFL were changing.
I know there will be some who will say; look at Threave struggling at Tier 9. A valid comment, that could be countered by pointing out that Threave could quite easily have thrown money at it like 2 well known new clubs in your own EOSFL, one has now died but not before messing around other clubs in the leagues, but that's not how they want to progress.
There are plenty of issues in the LL area all should be continually addressed by the 4 leagues.
From the outside there doesn't appear any evidence of discussion or advancements.
Anyway I want a break from p&b until preseason find it tiring and draining for my old brain, so won't be replying. Not that anything i post is of any great significance.
bye for now.
You keep mentioning "throwing money around" "chicken man" "santas" which is completely missing the point. It's about 95% clubs finding their natural level within the Pyramid. That is currently happening in the EoS. The WoS came into the Pyramid with largely the same structure so clubs are mostly already at their level. Money will always distort it for a few.
The SoS as a one division league have suddently found themselves out of their depth at tier 6, and I doubt Dalbeattie were looking forward to the end of season pumping they received, and I doubt next seasons Champs will either. That's not a healthy situation.
Would it be better if they could look forward to promotion to say WoS 4th? only they can answer that.
Looking forward to your new user name for next season.
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3 minutes ago, An Absolute Imposter said:
Would need to tag a dozen folk, so hoping anyone interested reads it.
My views on the SOSFL and its place in Scottish Football are littered across various threads in both my usernames.
But firstly a few facts as best I can recall them.
The SOSFL clubs have not had a good record in the LL playoff games, that is there in black&white for all to see.
SOSFL clubs were in at the inception of the LL when none of the then Junior Leagues appeared willing to sign up.
The SOSFL did not put up any objections when the WOSFL was being setup, as the recognised league for the West & South West, they would have had that right I believe.
What is the leagues reward for these: somehow they are to blame for the LL's intransigence in not opening up promotion from Tier 6; they alone are holding up the development of the pyramid below Tier 5 by not doing the decent thing and dropping voluntarily to Tier 75 or wherever South football can be ignored, just like it was before the birth of the WOSFL.
I see the 11 SOS clubs regularly, with a few months gap over winter there, maybe more than any other. I don't know. So I feel I am in a privileged position to comment on these 11 clubs and their abilities or lack of as some would have it.
There is no denying that the SOS clubs are not at the same level as the 2 other Tier 6 leagues in the LL area. How far down you can go before finding a comparable level is open to debate.
As I have pointed repeatedly, the time to sort out the pyramid in the west was in 2020, when the WOSFL was being setup. Are you telling me no one thought; " Oh hang on we already have a Tier 6 league covering that area, right let's all sit down and have a discussion to gauge everyone's thoughts on the situation". There was enough 'discussion' when the east was going through its rebirth, but I guess nobody gave any serious thought to the SOSFL and its position in the pyramid. Not until now, that they are causing this almighty traffic jam in the pyramid.
The pyramid will only evolve once all the interested party's put aside their own little agendas and fears.
What is needed is a coherent, researched and fully thought out plan put forward. Not the half-baked, self-interest rubbish that comes out like conference leagues, b teams and all the other cockamamie crap put forward.
What really gets to me are the comments demeaning the south clubs, intimating they don't deserve their place in the pyramid.
Some of the comments are pathetic; if you don't want promotion to the LL then go away, if you don't want to take part in our pyramid go join an amateur league. Central-belt superiority drivel.
Without rechecking; of the 11 clubs in the league only the one plays in a council cage and have plans in place to upgrade to their own facility. The grounds the clubs occupy are excellent and have good fan, player and other facilities. Clubs are locally run and owned, and decent or good financially. A number with plans and thoughts to holistically upgrade their facilities.
No Santa's, Pie or Chicken Men down here thank you very much.
All clubs are ingrained and an active part of each of the small communities they are part of.
So in conclusion rather than decrying and devauling football in the south do an uncentral-belt thing and recognise there is a Scotland away from the Glasgow- Edinburgh corridor, if you can.
But, why change the habit of a lifetime.
There's a lot of superflous irrelevant fluff in there, however....
I can't see any comments saying SoS don't deserve a place in the Pyramid or to "go away", nor questioning how well run these clubs are.
What I see is comments calling time on the SoS league's status as a tier 6 league, backed-up with evidence of their performances against the top WoS and EoS clubs, and their apparent reluctance to go upto the LL anyway (although that is only based on alleged comments).
The equivalent I guess is a WoS 4th Div or an EoS 3rd Division club being catapulted into a play-off for the LL. No Santa's or pie men to be seen there either but it wouldn't end well 99/100. That's just common sense.
Perhaps it's the SoS itself who need to make the first step. There's a regular meeting of the 4 leagues (LL, SoS, WoS, EoS), so there's ample opportunity to discuss long term structures and a better level for the SoS and it's clubs to exist at.
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Just now, It's Me said:
If you set the pyramid in Scotland today I agree it would look different. But nothing will change so we may as well accept it and move on.
So you agree the SoS at tier 6 - in light of all the evidence - needs reviewed. We're making progress already,
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Just now, It's Me said:
It doesn't matter what I think. The SoS will remain at tier 6 so everyone just needs to accept that and get on with it.
So you don't have any sort of evidence that any club in the SoS want promotion to the LL but want them to remain at tier 6 "just because". You understand how daft that looks?
Look, I have zero issues against the SoS, they are a long standing league and played their part in setting-up the LL to create the Pyramid so we should all be grateful to them for that, but SoS clubs have struggled badly with the LL and seem grateful to drop back to the LL and have little interest in promotion. That's the reality of it, clubs have to look after themselves first and foremost and the SoS is the right environment for them.
The Pyramid should be fluid. In England, changes have been going on for 35+ years to their Pyramid structure and there is no reason why - after a decade of the LL - that we review the good and bad bits and see what needs to change to help tiers 5 to 10 become better.
That I'm afraid includes dropping the SoS as a direct feeder to the LL.
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No idea, just explaining what I understand of the process.