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2 hours ago, Spyro said:
The East should still have the Dundee teams under it imo.
That's 20 more teams that would be in the EoS
The Lowland League area already has far more clubs in it than Highland but the same promotion opportunities, that would make it much more unbalanced than it already is. Leave them where they are.
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3 hours ago, highlandmac said:
The egates are a shocker
If the member of staff there concentrated on helping folk with them rather than being surly im sure they'd be much more efficient
But yes,an appalling welcome to Edinburgh,swiftly followed by the airports public transport option ripoffs,I suppose it'll get people into the mindset of how they'll be treated in the city
My passport never works at egates in the UK, but anytime abroad and having to use them, it works. Work that out.
Basically, Edinburgh Airport cannot cope with the amount of flights it handles. In reality the terminal building needs demolished and rebuilt.
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On 19/05/2015 at 13:36, HTG said:
As the title says. How bad does this place have to become before something is done about it. The security is a fuckin disaster zone. New owners who give zero fucks about their core purpose of getting people off the ground. Maybe folk would spend more money in their extended shopping mall if they could get into the fuckin place.
Discovering this thread 9 years later. It's not changed, well, you pay a shitload more to drop off/pick up.
Landing into Edinburgh from outwith the UK/Ireland and then having to climb 3 flights of stairs if you're not fortunate enough to have an air bridge, walk along small gloomy corridors, back down 3 flights of stairs and then face the disaster that is the Border Control tin shed is a terrible welcome to Scotland. Last year I spent an hour trying to get through after landing from Madrid, 1 person on the desks and the e-gates working for about half the people.
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1 hour ago, BANKIEBILL said:
Damn - why didn't I think to use atavistic in P&B post ... Always enjoy the too rare posts from you my friend
atavistic
adjective formal
UK /ˌæt.əˈvɪs.tɪk/ US /ˌæt̬.əˈvɪs.tɪk/
happening because of a very old habit from a long time ago in human history, not because of a conscious decision or because it is necessary now:
an atavistic fear of the darkEvery day is a school day........
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14 hours ago, Cowdenleith said:
We are not a kick in the arse off 7th (which is really 5th if discount the b teams), can’t make it now of course, but for all those cheap points thrown away we could have been. And that would have seemed like real progress.
From what I saw in the games against Hearts B, Cowden have the basis of a very decent team. Haven't seen you against anyone else but if you can find consistency then you'll be top 6 (inc B teams) next season.
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17 minutes ago, Shanner said:
The question of why so many people are desperate to essentially vandalize a competition that still gets a great level of fan engagement at the turnstiles is the one I always like to try and get answers to because football is all about the fans and getting shot of a product they are demonstrably still attached to really doesn't feel like the "good guy" argument in this. So if we are going to get shot of it any time soon the arguments need to be far stronger than the stuff on 99% of this thread and should include attractive alternatives to the SJC to gain some buy-in from the SJC participants because that would be walking the walk in terms of being progressive.
I suppose it's fairly straightforward. As soon as the competition starts to materially effect the WoSFL to the detriment of the rest of the Pyramid, then it needs binned.
There is a danger it could happen IF entry to the SCC is made non-compulsory by the WoSFL against the wishes of the LL, EoSFL and SOSFL, and instead the Junior Cup is handed priority on fixture scheduling. That undermines the SCC and the Pyramid, it may also get the SFA looking at it.
Again as you said, all hypothetical at this stage and may never happen at all and the WoSFL continue to juggle things, but that's the argument should things go down that road. Effectively, you're either fully committted to the senior Pyramid and it's competitions, or you're not.
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27 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Club 42 relegated automatically, HL/LL Play-off winner promoted
At least two weeks of Tier 5 football that way
That sounds like a solution.
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No, although perhaps the season could be extended beyond the third week in April some way.
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12 minutes ago, ekok said:
Exactly what the Lowland League do. Decent weather and pitches, everyone well up for new season, light nights, get ahead of the game. Even with washout last few months, still on track to finish on time. Yes a few teams , including EK playing catch up last few weeks, but that is unusual. Highland League can speak for themselves, everyone knows when the finishing line is.
Everyone does, but here we are. We know the climate is only getting wetter so it's going to affect the leagues more and more. Just think 20th April is too early to be finishing.
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1 minute ago, craigkillie said:
It means they have a bunch of players who they would have previously released who they now hold on to a bit longer to be teammates of the guys who they actually think can make it.
The clubs were desperate to replace an U21 league with a reserve league, and then the bigger clubs deliberately sabotaged that to pursue their own desires to push their B team agenda. If Celtic, Rangers and Hearts all still entered the reserve league it would be much stronger.
A discussion about the merits of B teams clearly has its place here given that the whole reason it started was because more clubs are planning to enter B teams into the East of Scotland League.
As I said, best moved to the LL threads. I understand there isn't much opposition from clubs to B / Reserve teams in the EoS as long as all the boxes are ticked so all of this is really a moot point being discussed on here.
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I think that the LL/HL finishes at least a fortnight too early to be comfortable. Playing 4 games a week at this stage shouldn't really be happening.
Not sure what the answer is other than putting in another couple of midweek rounds during the season, or getting the League Cup out of the way at the start with two games a week.
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3 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
You can look at loads of other youngsters who broke into the Hearts team over the last decade who did not require a B team. Hearts will love it because it lets them stockpile players at that level.
Yes everyone has had youth players who broke into first teams, unfortunately there is no longer an U20/U21 league to play in that there was a decade ago, and the reserve league of old is long gone.
As for "stock piling" what does that even mean? majority of these players have moved through the Academy, U18 and now B team. You know, a pathway. A lot of them will likely now move on.
Anyway way off topic. There's B team thread in the LL forum if you want to continue it.
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Tempted to make a first visit to Raydale on Saturday for my football fix.
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The game on Friday was certainly a game of two halves. Bo'ness the better side first with the wind advantage and a cracker of an opening goal, but Hearts B literally blew them away with the wind in the first 20 of the second.
A good game for the neutral and some fairly hefty challenges which I think the ref let go for too long before clamping down a bit.
Crowd around the 450 mark.
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41 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
The B teams in the Lowland League have consistently fielded different XIs depending on the needs of the senior clubs.
Hearts especially, but also Celtic, promoted youth players to their first team long before they gatecrashed the Lowland League. It is absolutely no reflection on them having B teams.
Absolutely not the case with Hearts B, as I said their line-ups have been pretty consistent throughout the season, the only significant change being Makenzie Kirk's loan to Hamilton in January, and Tait being promoted to the first team around the same time. Denholm and Pollock came from last seasons B team, and Wilson stepped up from U18's this season and also has first team minutes. It's not often that the line-up is significantly affected by first team call ups, they've had more problems with injuries than anything else.
As for promoting youth players, the B team for Hearts has - according to the club and coaches - been a valuable stepping stone between U18 and first team, particularly in the absence of anything resembling a proper reserve league, hence why they signed up for another 3 years. I'm guessing they don't spunk £100k a year on something they don't get benefit from.
I get that some people don't like them, but let's not make stuff up to justify your dislike.
Anyway, the B teams don't play in the EoS so it's very off-topic.
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9 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said:
I'm sure the players do. But do you really think the B teams' coaches are deciding line-ups and substitutions 100% on what's most likely to get them the points and not what's best for the players' development, which is surely the main focus of their job?
Yes absolutely they are. I've been to a fair few Hearts B games in the LL this season on a Friday night. Their starting XI's are very consistent, they play to a system that presses teams to win games. They don't let up. They are a "team" and they are having success in getting young players ready for the first team - Tait, Pollock, Denholm, Wilson being four who have first team minutes this season, with others on the bench. They seemed pretty happy at securing second place last Friday.
I believe Celtic B have had a couple of players in the first team this season as well, Daniel Kelly and Rocco Vata spring to mind although I'm not sure how consistent their starting XI's are.
It never struck me when watching Stirling Uni Reserves in the EoS that they were anything but committed to winning games, particularly when beating my team.
It's far easier to develop players in a team who give a f*ck about winning than one who doesn't and is just going through the motions - not that you can go through the motions really.
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2 hours ago, DiegoDiego said:
You seriously don't think teams whose main aim is to develop players rather than win games does any harm at all?
I can assure you every team wants to win games, regardless of who they are.
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Just now, Shanner said:
I really really do appreciate how the competition is viewed elsewhere.
So it's not "anti-Junior" to hold a different opinion about the SJFA/Cup. I doubt the committee's of Bonnyrigg or Linlithgow or Bo'ness or Penicuik or Broxburn or Musselburgh are idealogically anti-Junior, just that they understood that in order to better themselves some things needed to change and be left behind, the Junior Cup / SJFA being one.
Although of course to move to the EoSFL, clubs had to resign from the SJFA anyway as they were the baddies (or "traitors" as used by some in the SJFA heirachy).
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Just now, Shanner said:
No real insight into why people think that the answer to the manageable inconvenience experienced by a few ideologically driven anti Junior clubs merits the complete cessation of a tournament that brings benefits to other clubs. Other than that you've only provided strawman points that I've given my thoughts on earlier.
You don't seem to appreciate how the competition is viewed elsewhere. The fact that the EoS have maybe 4 SJFA member clubs illustrates than many have moved on. Not all WoS clubs are members either.
A Talbot fan will view it differently from almost anyone else and that's understandable, same with a few other clubs. It's always been held in higher regard in Ayrshire than anywhere else.
What cannot be denied is that many of it's "traditional" clubs have left the SJFA, have left the Junior Cup behind for their own benefit. They haven't suffered because of it and most now play at a higher level, two in the SPFL.
If there's enough clubs who want it and can keep it viable then carry on, but that should come without any impact to senior Pyramid leagues and cups. I personally think winding it all up and distributing much needed funds to all members to be more of a benefit, certainly to those in the North and Tayside.
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10 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:
Times have changed since EoS had deserve sides regularly, for good reasons. Now there's a pyramid and the big teams abusing power to create player farms in the lower divisions. The bad now outweighs the good and Stranraer and Stirling should find somewhere else to play their reserves.
I don't think reserve sides do any harm at all and given the long history of reserves in the EoS, I don't think there is any level of opposition from member clubs as long as it's done correctly and with respect (which was lacking with the shoehorning of the B sides into the LL, but ultimately the LL member clubs voted for it).
Livingston B will play games at the main stadium, so bring with them proper facilities, same with the Gala application, and they'll start at the bottom. I don't see any reason not to allow them to join as long as they tick all boxes.
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11 minutes ago, Cairn Cheerleader said:
Time will tell what can be improved. But as I've said it's up to all 80 clubs to decide
Surely he has a rough idea? what's his election blurb?
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Just now, Shanner said:
A fair point. I think that compromise is vital but that most of the Pyramid Karen types on here aren't particularly interested in that as a solution because it doesn't pan out with them getting absolutely everything they want.
Reasonable concerns about the impact of the SJC are one thing, entitled whining is another. The former can usually be dealt with more easily than the later however we seem to be at a point where only the former will be good enough for some.
It think it's an entirely valid viewpoint to suggest that the Junior Cup has had it's day and for the good of the game going forward, should be retired gracefully before it descends even further into a rump competition. Perhaps the SJFA members should consider disbanding the Association and distributing its ample assets amongst member clubs which would give them a financial boost.
I fully appreciate the place the Junior Cup holds with a number of West clubs, and I appreciate that it's great for those - maybe 8-10? - clubs who are in with a realistic chance to getting a decent return from the competition or winning it. However if the likes of Linlithgow, Bo'ness, Bonnyrigg, Kelty etc were all happy to forgo that chance for the sake of dragging the game into the 21st Century, I'm sure it can be swallowed by everyone.
What does the Junior Cup do for North and Tayside clubs? virtually nothing. I recall back in the day when some North clubs withdrew so as not to incur ridiculous expense. It's really nothing more than a WoS Cup with money now, and the SJFA should not be allowed to meddle with Pyramid leagues in order to get their cup front and centre.
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Just now, andy25 said:
Blackburn United.
Wrong, I'm not involved with any team.
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Just now, Cairn Cheerleader said:
Is your team Whitburn?
Nope, I'm not involved with any team, it's also immaterial to what is being discussed.
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New clubs in the West of Scotland
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Nah, they're Heilanders now. They were never part of the East Region JFA either until about 2002, so it's not as if traditional clubs were being excluded.