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"Buckie Thistle Football Club would like to issue the following addition to last night's statement on the SPFL Pyramid Play-offs:
"The club is endeavouring to get to the bottom of the decision to remove us from this weekend's play-off semi final against East Kilbride FC."
"Club officials attended meetings and had discussions with both the SPFL and SFA on Tuesday and Wednesday this week, but no indication was given at any point that Saturday's fixture was in doubt."
"Attached is a screenshot from the Decision Note issued by the SFA, which clearly states a decision on the Bronze Licence is deferred until the 15th of May. Buckie Thistle were awarded derogations on 3 of the items mentioned, and given until 15th May to resolve the Medical items."
"After further discussions with the SFA this morning, we are now looking into the possibility of taking this to Arbitration, as per Article 99 of the SFA handbook."
"Further updates will be provided in due course."
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On 14/04/2024 at 10:59, Burnieman said:
Livingston B will play games at the main stadium, so bring with them proper facilities, same with the Gala application, and they'll start at the bottom. I don't see any reason not to allow them to join as long as they tick all boxes.
Both refused, so I guess they didn't tick all the boxes.
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6 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said:
But not good enough for bronze where you need to have a doctor present at every home game
Indeed, but it shows even that low bar was a problem for clubs.
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34 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:
In my limited experience, smaller clubs will talk a Doctor who supports the team in to doing it.
In my experience when having to find one, it was a matter of a mate of a mate who agreed to do it, who was about 100 miles away. The local surgery wasn't interested. He wrote the letter and that was enough, it was also all he ever did.
Completely pointless, but a box that had to be ticked at the time.
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5 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:
In a wild case of "hold my beer", the Brechin chairman's out-doing how badly Buckie and SFA/SPFL emerge from this by attacking Highland League for... letting Buckie play Strathspey twice and on time:
Buckie Thistle ban makes 'mockery' of SPFL pyramid as raging Brechin City chief blasts Highland League - Daily RecordRaging Brechin City chairman Kevin Mackie was blasted the Highland League for making a "mockery" of the Scottish football pyramid after champions Buckie Thistle were booted out of the playoffs.
Graeme Stewart's side clinched the league title on goal difference from the Glebe Park outfit, to set up what they thought would be a chance at promotion to League Two with a two-legged play off against Lowland League winners East Kilbride for the chance to face off against club 42 for a crack at league football next season. But they have sensationally been denied their shot at promotion after failing to obtain an SFA bronze licence. The governing body released a statement on Thursday confirming that Buckie were ineligible for the playoffs, and that East Kilbride would go straight through to play the SPFL's bottom club for a shot at promotion - likely to be either Clyde, Stranraer or Bonnyrigg Rose.
Now Brechin chief Mackie has let rip at the Highland League, demanding to know why they re-arranged two Buckie games against hapless Strathspey Thistle. Thistle rattled 13 goals past them to help claim the crown, but have now seen their dreams crushed after "failing to respond" to reminders to ask league bosses for a grace period in order to gain the licence - something the club insists they did."I am raging with the Highland League," Mackie told the Daily Mail. "This makes a mockery of the entire pyramid. This whole thing is shambolic and the Highland League needs to take a look at itself. They would have known that the champions had to be eligible for the play-offs and I am annoyed that they haven't made sure the champions could meet the criteria required. "They went out of their way to rearrange Buckie's outstanding games against Strathspey the other week when they knew that Strathspey had let in 133 goals and were miles below everyone else at the bottom of the league. We questioned then how a team going for the title could have two rearranged games against Strathspey when they didn't have a team and were fielding trialists? Unsurprisingly they won 6-1 and 7-0 and beat us to the title by two goals. How can that be fair?".
Dear me.....
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34 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said:
You need to have a doctor at every home game for bronze - you can only have a paramedic to deputise occasionally if doctor not available - they can’t deputise on a regular basis
They also removed the requirement for a club doctor from the Entry level criteria as it was so difficult to find one who was prepared to do it, even though there was no requirement to attend games. For Highland League clubs to find one to attend every game is another level of difficulty for them, given the population sparsity.
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50 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said:
B teams still aren’t allowed in the pyramid, they’re only guest teams in the Lowland League. They can’t be promoted or relegated
The Lowland isn't the Pyramid. There is no rule barring B/Reserve teams, as Stirling Uni Reserves and Stranraer Reserves show, Livingston B also applied for the EoS.
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Just now, O'Kelly Isley III said:
If it's Dumbarton you are referring to, we've had not one home fixture postponement this season.
Your turn.....
I don't believe I mentioned postponements at all, however the state of your pitch at a Broomhill game is the worst I have seen at any level for many, many years. I believe there are pictures on here somewhere of it.
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Could be a long season for them coming up unless they recruit well, some LL clubs will be quite happy.
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1 minute ago, To B or not B said:
Ffs, is that it, take the rest of the night off.
You just agreed that there is one rule for one, and another rule for someone else.
When did Bonnyrigg go all SPFL on us?
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3 minutes ago, Burnieman said:
One rule for one, another rule for someone else. I refer you back to the point about the SPFL not looking good.
1 minute ago, To B or not B said:It’s not though is it, as current league members they were given a timescale, any new potential new members were told their timescale
Thank you.
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1 minute ago, To B or not B said:
They don’t need one before the play-offs, they were given a time limit to get it, that time limit is not up yet!!
One rule for one, another rule for someone else. I refer you back to the point about the SPFL not looking good.
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Just now, To B or not B said:
Why? They were given a year to get it, that year is not up.
They weren't awarded a Bronze licence today, therefore they will not have one before the play-off begins. Sound familiar?
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1 minute ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:
Be gone with you, peasant.
Probably fails the licence criteria, demotion to the LL for next season please.
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1 minute ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:
When a suitable pyramid involving teams that want to be promoted and/or aren’t competing in a joke leauge with B teams we will welcome it. Until such times close the door.
What about clubs with ploughed fields masquerading as a pitch?
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2 minutes ago, Brazilianlex said:
This has to be a massive wake up call to those SPFL Clubs who don’t have a bronze licence and have one year to get it.
If they don’t and on the back of todays decision, those Clubs face being chucked out the SPFL at end of next season ?
Shouldn't they be chucked out now and Airdrie prevented from entering the Premiership play-off?
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Just now, To B or not B said:
They were granted those derogations by the SFA licensing committee, not the SPFL. The SPFL require the Bronze license to be in place at the commencement of the play-offs otherwise the clubs haven’t met the entry criteria for the competition.
The SPFL lead them up the garden path on the face of it. Told the club to ask for derogations as recently as Tuesday, they did and these were granted with the final one to be confirmed in two weeks, the SPFL then went back and pointed to 31st March.
The SPFL also implied in their statement that the club were ignoring them, clearly that wasn't true.
We then have Airdrie taking part in the Premiership play-off with an Entry level licence, when they should have had a Bronze licence in place last year. So they do not meet the requirements either.
There's a lot going on here that doesn't add up and doesn't paint the SPFL in a very good light.
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20 minutes ago, Marten said:
Apparently it's possible to apply for a period of grace as long as a plan is put in place. So not neccesarily.
If Buckie were granted 3 derogations/waivers with the remaining one to be completed by 15th May, and that still wasn't good enough for the SPFL, then I don't place much faith in what the SPFL claim.
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"At 5pm today, Buckie Thistle FC received an email from the SPFL, stating that because the club do not comply with the SFA Bronze Licence criteria, and did not apply for a waiver or period of grace in respect of this non-compliance by the deadline of 31st March 2024, there will be no Play-Off Tie between Buckie Thistle FC and East Kilbride FC, and East Kilbride will automatically go forward to the Pyramid Play-Off Tie with Club 42.
However, we can confirm that the club has been in regular contact with the SFA in regard to the Bronze Licence criteria items, and we were in fact asked by the SPFL to ask for a period of grace for four of these items on Tuesday 23rd April, which we duly did.
Our Club President Garry Farquhar attended a meeting with the SFA on Wednesday 24th April, and we were granted Derogations for 3 items - Floodlights, Safety Officer and Diversity & Inclusion. One item - Medical – has been deferred until the 15th of May, but the club has committed to resolving the matter by May 10th.
It goes without saying that everyone at the club is stunned and devastated by the timing of this decision. It’s particularly harsh on the players and management, who put so much hard work into winning the Highland League title, that they don’t get the opportunity to go for promotion."
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22 minutes ago, Burnieman said:
"At 5pm today, Buckie Thistle FC received an email from the SPFL, stating that because the club do not comply with the SFA Bronze Licence criteria, and did not apply for a waiver or period of grace in respect of this non-compliance by the deadline of 31st March 2024, there will be no Play-Off Tie between Buckie Thistle FC and East Kilbride FC, and East Kilbride will automatically go forward to the Pyramid Play-Off Tie with Club 42.
However, we can confirm that the club has been in regular contact with the SFA in regard to the Bronze Licence criteria items, and we were in fact asked by the SPFL to ask for a period of grace for four of these items on Tuesday 23rd April, which we duly did.
Our Club President Garry Farquhar attended a meeting with the SFA on Wednesday 24th April, and we were granted Derogations for 3 items - Floodlights, Safety Officer and Diversity & Inclusion. One item - Medical – has been deferred until the 15th of May, but the club has committed to resolving the matter by May 10th.
It goes without saying that everyone at the club is stunned and devastated by the timing of this decision. It’s particularly harsh on the players and management, who put so much hard work into winning the Highland League title, that they don’t get the opportunity to go for promotion."
So if the SPFL are telling the club to ask the SFA for derogations as recently as Tuesday, which they were granted today with one TBC by 15th May, why did the SPFL then go back and point to the 31st March deadline? did they lead Buckie up the garden path?
Why also are the SPFL publicly implying the club ignored their comms on the issue.
It appears they have very good grounds to go to town on this, if they wanted to.
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Just now, Beachcomber said:
Burnieman this evening
It's been a while, so I'm making the most of it.
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Just now, Jacksgranda said:
I assume you're correct.
Never assume.......but I think I may be.
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Just now, Jacksgranda said:
Clarify your assumption which, according to yourself, you're not supposed to assume? That would be a tricky one...
Can you address the point re Airdrie?
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Just now, Jacksgranda said:
Indeed. So can you clarify?
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"Buckie Thistle Football Club would like to issue the following addition to last night's statement on the SPFL Pyramid Play-offs:
"The club is endeavouring to get to the bottom of the decision to remove us from this weekend's play-off semi final against East Kilbride FC."
"Club officials attended meetings and had discussions with both the SPFL and SFA on Tuesday and Wednesday this week, but no indication was given at any point that Saturday's fixture was in doubt."
"Attached is a screenshot from the Decision Note issued by the SFA, which clearly states a decision on the Bronze Licence is deferred until the 15th of May. Buckie Thistle were awarded derogations on 3 of the items mentioned, and given until 15th May to resolve the Medical items."
"After further discussions with the SFA this morning, we are now looking into the possibility of taking this to Arbitration, as per Article 99 of the SFA handbook."
"Further updates will be provided in due course."