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22 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Which is why all that matters is to get the 16 members of the Lowland League to actually have a vote on relegation. So that the next step, whatever it is, can be taken.
......and when increased relegation doesn't pass, then what? it's still the same issues to address.
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On 26/05/2024 at 10:44, parsforlife said:
From 31st march 24, so 3 months longer and it still requires everything to be in place by the time its actually needed.
The Bronze requirement was passed in July last year.
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1 hour ago, parsforlife said:
? As far as I'm aware they haven't had derogation, entry is fine for league 1 for this season
All clubs in the SPFL who hold Entry level licences received derogation until 1st July 2024 to achieve Bronze.
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3 hours ago, parsforlife said:
I still suspect in the event of a failure to achieve bronze licence the spfl will take a softer approach than complete expulsion
It maybe would undermine their insistence on Bronze to be able to play in the SPFL. Even a hefty points deduction would still mean a further season (or part of season) playing in L2 without Bronze. after already enjoying a years derogation.
I'm not sure what would happen if they were kicked out, my guess is application to EoS via an SGM and entry to the third. If the SFA are involved and want EC in the LL, then perhaps they can extract concessions about going to an 18 team league.
7th June is decison day?
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10 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Any serious discussion right now starts and ends with the Lowland League willing to open up between Tier 5 & 6. I know you will remember around the time of the Colts looking to extend, someone with Tranent ties suggestion a motion might be in the works.
Now the Lowland League knows its membership for next season. The AGM must be round the corner. Doesn't sound like anything actually happened on that front. With the number of "proper" teams and ex-SPFL clubs there's little excuse for it not to have been raised. If it was stubbed out before a proper vote it would be good to hear the excuses why.
Part of the problem is that any opening up of promotion to the LL also increases the chances of an SoS club going up who would be completely out of their depth (and may be reluctant participants). Look at what's just happened, Dalbeattie could have been in the LL if there were two promoted for example, that wouldn't be good for anyone.
If it was only WoS and EoS at tier 6 then I think it would be a lot easier to persuade the LL to look at change. I'm not saying it's right, it's a convenient excuse, but I have heard it mentioned.
There needs to be a proper review of the whole promotion/relegation system from tier 4 downwards, and a review of where leagues stand within it. The Pyramid has been on the go now for a decade, and it's now obvious where the issue are.
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8 hours ago, newcastle broon said:
The Dalbeattie chairman practically admitted before the 1st leg on "norrie works" YouTube film that they were happy away from the LL. The travelling had caught up wi them.
When the champion club is coming out wi that (and I've always defended the SoSFL at tier 6) its maybe time to look at the SoSFL standing in the pyramid.
Have to agree, it does appear that there's very little appetite for these clubs to go to the LL and to be honest, you can't really blame them.
Gretna are odds on to drop end of next season and I wouldn't bet they'd be in a hurry to return.
Threave Rovers have shown there is an alternative and maybe time to have serious discussion about the SoS linking with the WoS, maybe sit alongside the bottom WoS division.
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10 hours ago, Footballfirst said:
There are actually 3 stands with a total of just under 200 seats. You must have missed last season's ground improvement
with a couple of portaloos now in situ at the far end of the stands.
Pure luxury.......how often are they emptied
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Albion Rovers
Berwick Rangers
Bo'ness United
Broomhill
Broxburn Athletic
Caley Braves
Celtic B
Civil Service Strollers
Cowdenbeath
Cumbernauld Colts
East Kilbride
East Stirlingshire
Gala FR
Gretna
Hearts B
Linlithgow Rose
Stirling Uni
Tranent
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11 hours ago, JC1874 said:
I'm sure you've came out with this before must be stuck in your head, we don't have a sugar daddy, tight budgets, all money spent is hard earned via fans, sponsors & fund raising.
Disappointing season, especially as having been in the top 3 all season, still a young squad and new inexperienced management team will only get better, on the plus side we have a season without the mighty Bo'ness to chase for a change, and with the teams coming up a few more good local derbies to come, every cloud and all that.
NB Well done to Bo'ness, Thornton & Ed South was a good season and well done to the Dale fans, in the top 5 out of 53 clubs in attendances yet again, they just keep throwing the money in the rascals how dare they.
I have never suggested that you have, but it's common knowledge that Armadale offer a lot of money to players, plenty clubs have been "outbid" by you when trying to sign a player. To no avail this season of course.
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3 minutes ago, Spyro said:
Come again?
The locals of Maryhill, Alloa, Cumbernauld and Dumbarton of course!
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Broomhill Football Club
@BroomhillFC
Broomhill’s new manager is… Zander Diamond!! The former Don has been appointed to lead Broomhill’s season forward. Zander said: “The locals will see this and will understand how much it means to me.” Joining him in the dugout will be Gordon Wylde & former Son, Martin Mooney.
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20 minutes ago, GallowayBlue said:
Lewis Neilson a perfect example of the harm B teams do.
Messing about in a glorified amateur league when he could have been playing in the top flight.
He wasn't though, looking at his stats he played 16 times for the first team including in Europe, before being loaned out to Partick this season. He did play for Hearts B team at the start when he first arrived from Dundee United but probably only a handful of appearances. My mistake assuming he came via the Hearts system.
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32 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said:
Neilson had played 15 times in the Scottish Premiership (and eight times in League One) before signing for Hearts. I think we can safely say that a handful of lowland league appearances were a fucking waste of his time.
I don’t know enough about the rest of them to comment.
Hearts and Celtic of course are clubs that exclusively make good decisions financially.
That's what Googling badly does, but the rest of them have come via the B team. There's also a couple at Celtic who have featured in the first team this season.
We'll see how these players progress over the further 3 years these two B teams have in the LL.
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2 hours ago, oneteaminglasgow said:
Edit: the reason why B teams haven’t had an impact on youth development is because they’re a fucking dreadful idea, not anything to do with the league structure.
Tell that to Macauley Tait, James Wilson, Finlay Pollock, Aiden Denholm and Lewis Neilson who have all come via the B team at Hearts in the last two years to play first team, plus a few others who have made the bench. Neilson you will be familiar with of course.
Has the B team had a positive impact on their development? that's open to conjecture but I'm guessing Hearts and Celtic wouldn't be spunking the cash if they didn't think it was of benefit.
I very much doubt a couple of games in the diddy cup are of much benefit to the other "scratch" B teams though.
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12 minutes ago, kevsmart said:
If I remember HWU/Edinburgh College can't get licence as the walkway from changing rooms to the pitch isn't covered.
Happy to be proved wrong though
The changing rooms are the other side of the road/carpark. Also, despite having 2 decent stands, there are no facilities at all inside the fence.
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9 minutes ago, GordonS said:
One thing that leapt out at me from @HibeeJibee's brilliant piece of work is that the declines at some of those clubs happened earlier than I had remembered. In my memory Whitburn, Armadale and Bathgate were still relatively successful until the pyramid came along and it was their decision not to join that caused their decline. I see now that the rot had already set in. Presumably the people who presided over their declines were the same people who didn't realise the pyramid was the only show in town.
I don't know about Bathgate but certainly Armadale and Whitburn are in better shape now.
In the final season (2017-18) before the exodus began;
Fauldhouse were runners-up in the ERJFA Premier and would have been promoted to Superleague
Bathgate and Whitburn would have been relegated to the South
Pumpherston and Armadale would have been promoted to the Premier
The remainder were bumping around the South,
In the re-vamped 2018-19 season which basically saw the Premier disappear, Fauldhouse (10th) and Whitburn (4th) entered the truncated 12 team Superleague, everyone else in the "Premier South".
Whitburn and Fauldhouse were the biggest losers out of refusing to move with most others. Whitburn has recovered, Hoose have had a disaster, Armadale still grappling with it all.
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Quite remarkable that Armadale Thistle missed out after the amount of money they have been chucking around.
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16 minutes ago, GallowayBlue said:
I'm probably not the best person to ask because I don't find myself particularly bothered with the plight of the reserve team.
It seems to be used as a stick to beat the club with (why are you not playing them in the first team/I'll never give the first team a penny and support the reserves etc) all to produce maybe one player every 15 years or so.
One club, one space in the pyramid seems like a fair approach - and if solutions need to be found for reserve team football at all levels, including isolated areas etc I don't think that is beyond the wit of man.
That shouldn't be used as an excuse to spoil the competitiveness of leagues for teams that actually care.
Not sure anyone beats Stranraer with this, I'm not sure too many are particularly bothered about them being in the SoS.
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8 minutes ago, GallowayBlue said:
Totally against and brought that up in conversation with the committee member I spoke with re. The Conference League.
So where would you see your reserve team playing if they were booted out?
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1 hour ago, GallowayBlue said:
The challenge for the anti B Team lot (which includes me) is how do we push back?
Unfortunately it seems to be the case that there's resistance at first, then just acceptance.
In the case of Cowdenbeath for example, fans that were against now seem borderline pro or at least willing to defend their club out of some kind of tribal loyalty.
How do we get them out of the Challenge Cup and Lowland League - which seems to be a popular position with fans?
What's your stance on Stranraer Reserves in the South of Scotland League?
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15 minutes ago, GallowayBlue said:
Didn't it also provide a perfect opportunity for the Lowland League clubs to vote them out?
That was literally a vote that happened, not one that had to be requested/forced onto an agenda.
It did, but clearly they were happy to have them and they'll be there for the next 3 seasons, a bit like SPFL clubs happy to have them in the diddy cup.
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5 minutes ago, CityDave94 said:
Yes but the fight back needs to have started somewhere and the failure of the monstrosity that was called the Conference was a good start. Absolutely gold when Rangers threw their toys out of the pram and walked away. 1 down two to go. Don't see the point in Celtic B existing now, they can't be getting much out of it now since their whole point for being here is competing with Rangers B.
As I said earlier, that should have been followed through with a proposal to remove B teams from the diddy cup, plus some sort of debate on how to resolve the mess that is Reserve/B/Colt football in this country with everyone pulling in different directions. Solve that conundrum = no B teams in senior competition.
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3 minutes ago, CityDave94 said:
So what are you complaining about?
Everyone here hates the B teams, so what is your point?
11 hours ago, Burnieman said:Who voted the Colt/B teams into the diddy cup in 2016 which is only for clubs from the Championship down? I guess that would be the SPFL clubs.
The SPFL clubs continue to be happy for them to play in it, and if you're looking for the seeds of why B/Colt teams exist in Senior football, that's it.
Why aren't the clubs from Championship down voting to remove them from the diddy cup?
Someone else above was highlighting the fact there's no prize money in the LL, so SPFL clubs Rangers and Celtic (and a season later Hearts) offer a sizeable chunk of cash to the LL and unsurprisingly clubs take it. I don't think it was right and it should never have happened, but I can understand why league/clubs took the dough and continue to do so.
The SFA Conference proposal to accomodate SPFL B teams would have probably been passed until the fans got involved and most lower SPFL clubs decided voting against was perhaps the wiser course of action.
SPFL, SPFL, SPFL......the Lowland League is far from being the problem here.
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5 minutes ago, CityDave94 said:
But they have done already via invitation. Does mean that they are breaking their own rules?
Well the SFA won't allow them to expand to 18, so I assume "guest teams" are a way or circumventing that.
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Here's some hair to split.....