Burnieman

Try slowing it down, using pause, and opening your eyes.

Behave yourself, feel free to actually engage with any of the points. Some of the shite posted on here about B teams is beyond belief

So you don't actually know the point I'm supposed to be missing is either? Just looking at results, Hearts have dropped points in 12 games in the league this season, 6 lost and 6 drawn. Only 3 of those were on a Saturday. What advantage? B teams do have an advantage in that they are full time pros and them, and to a certain extent Uni of Stirling who also train more than your average LL team, benefit from that.

You play games during the week anyway, Friday's are during the week. Other teams play regularly on days other than Saturdays due to groudsharing clashes. B team players are full-time. Which point did I miss?

That equally applies to any midweek game. I think the fact that the B teams are full time pros is more of an advantage than anything, regardless of kick-off time.

Not this season at Spartans and Hearts B games, they have barriers either end of the stand and stewards won't allow you to stand within them. Never had an issue seeing what's going on in the bottom corner nearest the building although have never sat in the front row, maybe right by the corner flag is partially obscured, but it's not a biggie.

They don't actually.

Modern football at all levels sees games being played every day of the week. A great many Championship and L1 games have been played on Friday nights for TV. Football all over the world are split across Thur/Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon as a matter of routine. "Tradition" went out of the window a long time ago I'm afraid. As you will know, Uni of Stirling play quite a few games on a Sunday due to fixture clashes, as do Broomhill, and Celtic B, it's just a reality of groundshares. Hutchison Vale share Ainslie Park on a Saturday with Spartans, so Hearts B presumably decided to make Friday night match day so people knew in advance what to expect rather than chopping and changing. I think they have had one re-arranged game on a Saturday there. For away teams, it's once or twice a season and little different to scheduled midweek matches anyway.

Can you pass onto him that the Hearts B v Gretna crowd is listed in the Gretna programme as 557, not 350, which is in line with my own estimation as I was at the game. Celtic B v Gretna is listed as 200, not 130. Can't help with BU figures unfortunately.

Friday night football is great and more should be made of it by other clubs to maybe get more through the gate, plenty neutrals normally turn up at Hearts B games because of it. A dozen or so German groundhoppers in attendance on Friday. There is no such things as a "Saturday afternoon league".

Yeah, 583. the ground only holds 600......

We're talking apples and oranges. LL would run both divisions, all members equal etc so yes, I think pro/rel would be a lot different than LL v EoS/WoS. It's all theoretical however the Pyramid should be continually evolving to suit the needs of the clubs in it, and we have an issue of pro/rel between tiers 5/6 which needs a solution.

I have nothing to do with Blackburn United these days, maybe play the ball not the man. Pro/rel between LL1 and LL2 would be more than between LL and tier 6 currently, which is the point,

No they are not, some are, some will move up to fill gaps created. What about the rest of my post about increased opportunity to move up tiers which doesn't exist now which is the bigger picture.

It's not exactly the same at all if you read what I wrote. The LL will not open up any further until the SPFL reciprocrate, that won't happen either. It's not right IMO but here we are. Does it really matter if tier 6 is called WoS Premier of LL2, not really, but what it would provide is more opportunity for promtion to tier 5, upto 3 auto promotion places instead of a play-off.

Anyway probably veering well off topic, but the stage we're now at with the Pyramid, these are the sort of discussions that should be happening. Having the CEO of the SJFA potentially become Chairman of the WoSFL is bonkers, and not good for progress.

I think a couple did, but not four.

It's been talked about since the Pyramid began and yes, has been discussed at board level (as has HL2). Whether it happens is another matter, but at some point the SFA will try again with B teams / Conference / other crackpot idea. LL2 is a good chance to get a grip of it on LL terms. As for travel, potentailly a LL2 could look like Beith Auchinleck Clydebank Darvel Pollok Cumnock Broxburn Musselburgh Jeanfield Swifts Sauchie Dunbar United Dalbeattie Star Celtic B Hearts B 3rd B team 4th B team

It would open up for the top 5 or 6 of WoS / EoS Premier to move into LL2 (so 5/6 move up from EoS/WoS 1st Div etc), it should also open up promotion / relegation into LL1 going forward, and from the Wos and EoS into LL2. Problem with the Conference it was only 10 teams, national, and 40% were B teams. No solution will tick all the boxes.

Because the SFA will not allow it (too many voting members at tier 5) and the SPFL wouldnt allow it (they just want two leagues to drop into).

There's an SGM in 2 weeks time.

Not sure that's reason enough to persuade these clubs to be fair.

You can have three up/down between LL1 and LL2. Then for LL2 three down, and the Champions of WoS, EoS and SoS auto promoted (or thereabouts depending on pro/rel to League Two of course). With 32 members, the LL can accomodate 4 B teams and take control of that situation away from the SFA and put it to bed. The SFA had their fingers badly burned over the Conference debacle but the LL can offer them a solution that doesn't upset the current 16 member clubs. Four vacancies in LL2 (or two in LL1 and two in LL2, whatever) after that any other club who want a B team start at the bottom (like Livingston are about to do). What that would also do is allow WoSFL clubs, some of whom are shit scared at being the first to go to the LL, to move into LL2 along with a group of their chums.

"Lowland League 2" does make a lot of sense in so far as it should increase movement between the tiers which just doesn't appear to be happening anytime soon. We'll never have LL West and LL East as the SFA will not entertain a further 16 voting members at tier 5. Balance of power and all that. What a LL2 would also allow - and it's a dirty word around here - is a possible solution to B teams. With upto four places reserved in LL2 for them and then allow them to move one tier upwards (to LL1), and any number of tiers downwards (WoS/EoS), they become full LL member clubs not "guests". The B team issue isn't going to go away, and it may stave off the SFA trying again for the madcap Conference at tier 5. The other 12 places filled by application, with previous seasons league placings a significant factor. That's the kind of evolution/progress the game needs, not harking back to the Juniors.