JagsCG

Yeah, that's a fair point

I agree with you fully on the void situation, it was simply impossible to void the leagues, and most definitely would have been grossly unfair on a number of teams. You can argue about Hearts getting a lot of media attention, and I'll probably agree due to their size and reputation, but I disagree regarding Thistle's size gaining us a larger platform, if you read a lot of the stuff on this, it mostly focuses on Hearts (that may turn out to be a blessing in the end, but given Thistle's gripe is far greater, it's quite strange). I take the point regarding the SFA on board, however, I still believe they should have made it their business, especially since the SPFL were making such a mess of it, but we can leave that one there, because I guess that's a long shot of a view, and probably not one that stands much thought given what you are saying regarding their role. I agree again, the Dundee incident could have been handled a lot better, albeit from both sides in my opinion. Hearts and Thistle's complaint very much is with the league, but they still have to mention the promoted clubs, due to that being part of their case, Hearts and Thistle did choose to take legal action but so did the other 3 clubs, all clubs CHOSE to, of course they did, or else they wouldn't be doing it. Although Jags and Jambo fans will tell me that we were "forced" and yes there is merit in that, there certainly was threats regarding it from a Hearts perspective, and fans of the promoted trio will tell me they were "forced", I firmly believe all clubs CHOSE to do it, (I suspect we'll never agree on that point), and actually the SPFL were encouraging clubs to get behind court action not long ago as well. As I already said, I have no problem with any clubs going legal, if any club feels they have been wronged (whether I agree or not), they have every right to speak out about it, and take the necessary action (whether I agree or not), that applies to Hearts/Thistle, it also applies to Dundee Utd/Raith, and any other club that have an issue, they have backing from me to be allowed to say so. On a final complimentary point, at least you've been articulate and provided some detailed arguments, some I agree with, some I don't, all I certainly think are worth merit, rather than just being another one of the "Get Doon" lot, I respect that.

Thank you for answering my question...

Am I right in thinking they called their leagues the same way as Scotland did? (Members vote). Either way it's likely insignificant to us though.

That seems to be the general opinion among most people, to be honest I think.

I completely forgot about their wage cuts, I'll accept your point on that, which actually proves my original point, that they don't seem to have a financial problem at present time, for the reasons that have been stated by both of us.

The leagues couldn't be finished, I never argued otherwise. We were in the mist of a global pandemic, there was suggestions, league's wouldn't even begin until 2021, of course they couldn't be finished, in the sense of playing them out now, who is arguing the contrary? Not Hearts or Thistle. I disagree that the SPFL did the best they could, there's several things that could have been handled so much better, to just name a few examples, the payments to clubs that were sent out following the "Good Friday Vote", seen as the string attached to releasing them was ending the leagues, they could have attached a string of reconstruction, so no club would be worse off (I understand that would have been difficult for several reasons, one being no one can decide what reconstruction they want, if any) that's my own view on that, many I'm sure disagree, fair enough. Also within the Good Friday Vote, they released the voting stats, before all teams had voted, meaning one club held substantial power, and were in a situation that they 1. didn't ask to be put in, 2. didn't deserve to be put in, and John Nelms would tell you that himself. If you genuinely believe the SPFL handled that vote properly, and the best they could then I'm staggered beyond belief. Hamilton would also apparently be fighting relegation if they were in Hearts and/or Thistle's exact situation as stated by their manager, so that argument that other businesses, worth remembering that's what these clubs are, would simply accept it, with no moan or just "take their medicine" as Roy MacGregor would so eloquently put it, just will not wash in my opinion. I said the silence from the SFA and Ian Maxwell told a story, I didn't say I blamed them for anything, what is there in this instance to blame them on?, my point was the SFA, are the Football Association of this country, and when a club was threatening to take the organisation of the SPFL (which is made up for 42 clubs of which the SFA also represent) to court, they never uttered a word, when all the chaos, with a so-called "missing vote" with Dundee, was going on, they never uttered a word, as the Footballing Authority of this country, that is poor I'd say. To the final point made; I miss no point like claimed, I'll say again I do not blame Dundee United for funding a legal challenge to defend their promotion, clearly they don't trust the SPFL to defend them correctly, which is fair, I wouldn't trust them either. Not really a snake-like tactic, when it was factual, Hearts/Thistle case looks be largely made up of claiming Dundee's second vote was illegitimate, which would mean the call to end the leagues, was illegitimate, which also further means no promotions or relegations stood, that is why they named the promoted clubs, as well as naming the relegated clubs. Had John Nelms, actually just picked a decision Yes or No, it didn't matter, and stuck with it, Hearts/Thistle wouldn't even have a case, so if they win, it's well done John Nelms for screwing that one up, although a win is unlikely I'd say. As I reiterated, this is all my own view, and quite frankly we are going over very old and boring ground.

Not sure that can quite be your only excuse, but I don’t know enough about Raith this season to agree or disagree with you, you are of course entitled to your view, and I also haven’t once said Raith shouldn’t be promoted, that was implied by the poster I was replying to, not me.

Agree entirely about the first point, I hope you are correct about the last point. Although it has hard to be positive, nothing wrong with a bit of positivity.

When you say no one? Do you include Dundee United and Cove who were streets ahead in their leagues? Because they do deserve to go up, I think everyone would probably accept it, even the clubs in the arbitration case know they deserve it, I’d imagine.

Ah finally a bit of honesty from a fan not in the situation of the relegated clubs, fair play to you, it’s been hard to come by these past few weeks. You are spot on! (I too would be amused at some of the meltdown if I wasn’t a Thistle fan, but I’d like to hope I’d still have a bit of neutrality about me to realise it’s unfair)

Well, a worse Thistle team bet Caley Thistle 3-1 home and away this season. I think it’s far from fair to say “Thistle” were going down, it’s certainly possible, but Queens were in an absolute horrific place as well, I’m pretty sure one of us would have finished bottom, but which one, we’ll never actually know.

Me personally, accepted it months ago, the business people at the club, well you may have an argument there. Might have to take you up on that “League 1 isn’t that bad” comment in a few months time though.

It does, because quite clearly if we had got the chance to at least be on equal games with our relegation rival (QOTS), we mightn’t have been bottom (had we did what we previously did twice this season and beat Inverness). But Anyway regardless of whether we deserved it or not, which everyone could argue on all day, and if you were in Thistle’s shoes you’d be arguing about the game in hand, and if I was in your shoes, I’d be reminding you how terrible the team had been, probably, as that seems to be how it works, but the point is we are down now anyway, we are now a League One team. We are preparing for a season in League One, and I hope to god, that’s all it is, A Season.

Teach them what? If you feel you have a problem, or an issue with something, don’t speak out about it, shut up and sit down? The true democracy of the SPFL shining through right there.

1. Yes, we were awful, you were okay (I dare say it wasn’t one of your best performances of the season, certainly got the job done mind you) 2. Because being relegated with a game in hand, during a pandemic, is unfair, as I’m sure most people have and do agree.

Quite, I know a lot of people now seem to be SPFL defenders. But regardless of whether you are a Raith/Dundee United fan, Thistle/Hearts or anyone else, the SPFL have been shocking throughout this whole episode, in my opinion. And the silence for months from Ian Maxwell and the SFA, told its own story too. I don’t blame RR or United for making sure they are promoted (by funding their own legal challenge) if it was Thistle, many a Jag would be demanding we do the same, the exact same that most fans of Dundee U and RR would be demanding to fight relegation, or at least get compensation, if they were in Thistle’s position. On the last point about Hearts, I have no idea about their finances but you make a very good point regarding Neilson and Craig Gordon, they certainly don’t seem to be a club in a financial crisis, not that they ever did claim to be. Thistle however, I imagine, might not be in a financial crisis, but certainly will have taken quite a hit, as of course a lot of clubs have as well.

Yep, I have a certain level of respect for those people that choose to not do the easy thing and support them, whether they choose Thistle or another team from the surrounding areas of Glasgow.

100%, there’s no doubt about it. We do suffer massively due to the Old Firm, but it’s great to have the core fans we do have too.

Probably something to do with the fact, we’ve been awful for three seasons straight. The average match day attendance might be on the slide but it hardly merits “League 1 is right League for Thistle”. There’s several reasons arguable for where we are, having only 2 and a half thousand fans at a game, instead of 3 or 4, isn’t one of them. Size doesn’t merit achievement, for example, Thistle and Falkirk in League 1, Dunfermline and Dundee in Championship are all larger than at least 2 Premiership sides. But those Premiership sides deserve to be there and those clubs albeit bigger, don’t. Another example is Hearts, who are now a Championship club. Size doesn’t merit League. Also, “Terrible Support” at least they are real faithful football fans, and not glory-hunters and bigots, which you’ll find at the larger 2 Glasgow clubs.

Not sure it’ll be £2m, but compensation and settle into League 1, absolutely

Fair enough, i have no idea what’s going to happen, obviously, but I’d say I’m 99.9% confident you’ll be a Championship club next season. Reckon, Hearts and Thistle will, rightly in my view, be given an adequate compensation package and be sent on their way. (Which I actually think they’d gladly take) I thought Raith might have actually just pulled out the whole thing, I suppose on paper their is still the risk of overturning promotions, so they rightly feel they need to defend themselves, but in reality, I don’t see that happening at all. Hope it’s all done and dusted soon anyway.

Genuine question not having a dig - Chances for what? What is Raith’s aim?

Falkirk would’ve been promoted through 14-10-10-10?

Was thinking more Scottish Championship, or EFL League Two