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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    1 hour ago, Stevie Kirk said:

    This narrative that Spittal is not trying a leg is something that has ripped my knitting the past month or so.

    If you watch him the amount of closing down he does and cajoling his team mates into a press is defo not the MO of someone not interested.

    Ok he’s stopped banging in 35 yard screamers but to say he has downed tools because of his PCA is bollocks to anyone with functioning eyes. 

    I don't think the majority of sensible fans think he's downed tools to be honest otherwise we'd hear it big time on match days en masse. He's definitely not playing to the levels he was and it's kind of conincided with the Hearts announcement/leak. Which is a wee bit unfortunate but he's still very very important for us. 

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    1 hour ago, Handsome_Devil said:

    Blaney or Casey-tbc leader of men-SOD or McGinn should be fine if we also have a real goalie behind them.

    It then also offers cover at rwb so we could probably do without a specialist back-up there to a new first choice.

    I think that would be fine too tbh. But I wouldn't be planning for it. 

    Hard balance of course for Kettlewell to let people go without knowing who's coming in etc. 

    Would be delighted with Rooney if true 

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    Posted · Edited by eliphas

    SOD and McGinn, if we keep them should not be first choice centre backs. They are really experience agreed but I just don't think they are first choice in any position for me.nso then it comes down to wages I guess. 

    They have done arguably more than ok this season in there but if we are going to improve defensively it cant be one of them as a first choice. 

    I keep harking on about it but for me it's one or the other as our utility defender basically. Carrying two seem a bit silly unless we are struggling to recruit.

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    14 minutes ago, Stevie Kirk said:

    His style of keeping is a line dweller, he’s never going to be Sieb Dykstra . Our problem in defence all season is making decisive first contact on the ball when crosses come in. I think we could bring in a very dominant centre half and Kelly would be fine behind him but if we don’t or can’t get that sort of player then we do need a keeper with more physicality as the blend at the moment is all wrong. 

    Nailed it for me

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    9 hours ago, Busta Nut said:


    I reckon even if Kelly spoke to his defenders we'd be a few points better off. That's speculation on my part of course but I dunno how many centre halves I've heard say "my best period when I was at my best was when *Insert goalie* was behind me talking me

    100%. 

    Kelly at the start was a big shouter/pointer and definitely better with cross balls. Seems to have either been coached out of him or has had a mega mega loss in confidence. Or both.

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    4 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

    I don't think you can claim Motherwell haven't been talking Bair up.

    Yeah I was half way typing the same thing.

    I think what does happen is talking up gets more traction when you play with a bigger team and that happens up all the 'levels' of teams. Add in he's done it for a bit longer at Aberdeen and he's got longer on his contract and hey presto. 

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    1 hour ago, MurrayWell said:

    We've just signed Moses on a 1.5 year deal from a league that runs in a different cycle than us, I'd be absolutely astonished if he wasn't with us next season. 

    I think he's looked okay in the limited games he's had, took his goal well at Dundee, should have had an assist against Hibs (Oli Shaw chance). He's only played 51 minutes for us, let's see what he can bring after a full pre-season I'd say. 

    Aye, I think he's looked ok coming on too. I still think the Kettlewell mutualling knife will hit someone we are surprised at and I think it might be him. 

    I'd keep him about the place too.

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    I'm sure we will do this to death but I think the reality of what will happen (not what I'd choose though - is) the below. Not including all the loans who will go back. 

    Leave for better deals (be that we give them a low offer making them leave, or they can get a better deal)

    Kelly, Mugabi, Spittal

    Released

    Butcher, Maguire, Obika, Oxborough , Elliot

    Retained

    SOD, McGinn, Slattery, Nicholson

    Mutual/Kettlewell magic

    Tierney, Moses

    Shopping list could be cut in different ways but new players across the pitch.

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    4 hours ago, capt_oats said:

    Admittedly I haven't watched the whole 17 min presser but I actually don't think his point about potentially having to coach players differently is that ridiculous. If we're bringing VAR into the equation and having to consider that a coming together may be interpreted as a red card on review then you're probably asking players to change how they approach the game - basically rather than commit they're being asked to pull out of challenges they'd otherwise have made instinctively.

    The way he's choosing to frame things sounds unhinged but in a broad sense it's fair comment in terms of the (negative) impact VAR is having on the game IMO.

    That said, while I get that he's only answering questions he's being asked making this a hill to die on is wild.

    100% agree with all this. 

    It's just in his nature to answer questions at length which is fine really. That's just how he is. But he could probably have made his point about training/imparting info on to players differently due to VAR, nipped it in the bud and moved on. 

    He's got my backing in as much as if every player is getting sent off for that Vale situation then we do need to tell players not to be making clearances like that anymore. Which is mental. But if if that's where we are in football then it's where we are. 

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    Posted · Edited by eliphas

    4 minutes ago, Handsome_Devil said:

    We'll win next week and so long as both County and St J don't do likewise that's that.

    Kelly played pretty well today tbf, he can certainly feel the loss of the clean sheet this time is on someone else's account.

    I thought that as well to be honest - he stopped it being 3 or 4 and it wasn't his fault at the goal either - that on either the player losing the header, the set up with none on the post orcGinn being brushed aside and not running to the back post with Miovski. Bemused by the comment on the match thread from @Phillips455 that that was one of Kelly's worst games. 

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said:

    I wouldn't be surprised if Aberdeen or Hibs have offered Kelly something. 

    Same. Like him or not as a Well fan, I think Kelly will get a good gig on more money when he leaves us.

    Mentioned it before, but from what I heard, his weekly wage isn't an absolute bank buster. Top earner but it was a big sign on fee that got him to move from his QPR wage. Not his weekly take home.

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    Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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    Posted · Edited by eliphas

    3 hours ago, well fan for life said:

    Blaney's a big, brave laddie and we can probably just about make that work. Would keep him around but I'd like to see us sign someone in the summer to hold the defence together like Butcher did before his legs exploded. 

    Think that's it in a nutshell for me.

    We need to sign a first choice central defender. No easy task.  We absolutely cannot sleep walk into thinking all of the defenders have their plus points and deserve new deals/it's better to keep them around as might not get any better. 

    Loads of nuances about keeping players on much reduced deals etc but ultimately good bye Bev, goodbye Butch - thanks for the good times - we need your wages.

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