eliphas

I thought that as well to be honest - he stopped it being 3 or 4 and it wasn't his fault at the goal either - that on either the player losing the header, the set up with none on the post orcGinn being brushed aside and not running to the back post with Miovski. Bemused by the comment on the match thread from @Phillips455 that that was one of Kelly's worst games.

Clean sheet stats are only as good as the defence / revolving defence in front of you. Not standing up for Kelly really as he has been grim at times through the season but that doesn't really work for me as a stat to judge a goalie.

Same. Like him or not as a Well fan, I think Kelly will get a good gig on more money when he leaves us. Mentioned it before, but from what I heard, his weekly wage isn't an absolute bank buster. Top earner but it was a big sign on fee that got him to move from his QPR wage. Not his weekly take home.

I know it's been a wee break in the actual football but we really should just wait for the detail of the bid, if ends up going to that stage, being shared. Would certainly save a lot of angst

Did we get a small fee for Bazooka Joe? I seem to remember some sort of small fee being involved. But maybe that was bringing him in.

Think that's it in a nutshell for me. We need to sign a first choice central defender. No easy task. We absolutely cannot sleep walk into thinking all of the defenders have their plus points and deserve new deals/it's better to keep them around as might not get any better. Loads of nuances about keeping players on much reduced deals etc but ultimately good bye Bev, goodbye Butch - thanks for the good times - we need your wages.

Maguire I think wasn't helped by the fact he got stuck into all the promo videos and content with Turnbull, Hastie and Campbell when it was, even back then, quite clear he wasn't on the same level as any of them (Hastie...I know, I know hasn't panned out well). Robinson, I think, was the one who tried to convert him from defender to midfielder, and I reckon that also probably didn't help his development long term as he kind of got lost a bit position wise. Want good enough really for either position. Always thought he was a useful squad player to fill a gap, but not much more than that, which is probably why he has managed to hang around. Time for a new start somewhere else though.

This was the conundrum for me but I'd rather keep McGinn at 33/34 Vs SOD at 31/32 I think.

This was discussed a wee while back but our defence as a unit is just not good enough and tough decisions required. All the individuals I think have plus points but some of them need to go to clear the decks Casey and Blaney are here next season so I'd take that as given. I'd bin Bevis and Butcher. Harsh on Bevis maybe but he's not good enough at thelis level consistently. Butcher is done McGinn and O'Donnell. Hmm. We probably keep one for back up and general utility. Ideally I'd keep McGinn I think and bin SOD.

Probably proves you can be a bell-end like he was but also do some good in the world. I still think he should have gifted us all the money given he was minted and gifted loads to the church in bothwell.

The thing is, there are risks with every ownership model right? Just to greater or lesser extents. The three options we've kind of got on the table, in very simple terms are/were: Well Society ownership majority Outside investor majority Outside investor + WS some sort of split. Personally, at the moment, and I stress, at the moment.. Well Society ownership majority - I've got no confidence in the Well Society handling things that well long term given the track record. However, all the recent moves and new board members etc definitely has me changing my mind on that one. I could be convinced so would take any updated presentation at the time of a decision on merit. Outside investor - Not particularly keen on this at all like most, but I would see who it was and take on merit. I'd need to be heavy convinced. Won;t really be an option as no investor would be accepted that is going to wipe out the WS. Outside investor + WS some sort of split - This tends to interest me. Devil in the detail and all that. But leverage something of outside investors, be that expertise, contacts, capital, or whatever, + retain WS some sort of control....I'm inclined to like that idea to be honest. Need convinced on how it's set up and going to run. But, again, on merit at the time.

Don't believe you.

I can only imagine how much Alan/Grant/Laura would be giddy with excitement with, if they were still here, and a guy who talks about social media growth and content initiatives was cutting about the place. This isn't a criticism of anything by the way...just ironic they all did a bunk and then this guy pops up.

My position on this whole thing is that I'm open to listening to what potential investors have to say. So, on that basis that's a good read I'd say. Interested to see how it progresses.

Does he vote Lib Dem though? That's the real question.

Unbeaten in our last 3 outings v Hibs. I'm positive. I think.

Now we're talking.

Yeah, I've seen that posted before, I guess my point was that in this world where I get my normal league, it wouldnt just end after 3 rounds of games like @craigkillie seemed to be inferring. I wasnt saying it's the 12 team setup we have now. That's all really - didn't mean to cause all this chat. I still think the current setup is a bit regardless. But it's not changing anytime soon so what will be will be.

Difficult decisions required. I think most could argue the positives to sign up all the current defenders as individuals but as a collective they are a shambles. I'd keep McGinn too but I wouldn't be keeping him and SOD for example. Difficult one

Unless I'm not following we'd have another round of fixtures to go...

My main dislike for it really is the manufactured nature of it. I get all the teams know what they need to do by this point in the year etc. and it's been signed up to etc. But taking us this season, we are still in the hunt for 5th place really you could argue but because of the split happening that could be whipped away come the weekend. When in a normal league where we have another round of fixtures we could perhaps eat away at the gap and get there. Watched too many meaningless end of season games where we are so far off it from the others in the top 6 or pretty safe so the remaining games v the bottom 6 are pretty meaningless. I'd just rather it was a normal league structure basically The fannies who can't get their head around the points totals at the end of their season...I'm not in their camp...it's fairly straightforward that element. I also get the positives about teams around each other playing each other and the impact of that. Just feels manufactured and not for me really. It's not a deal breaker like - just not a fan

All this split chat reminds me how much I dislike the split. Poo.

Can only shake my head at some of the replies to that and the follow up tweet. Not the ones posting the 50+1 stuff...the others. Brain dead.

It's a fair post and one I'd imagine a good % of fans would agree with. I really don't know what I'd do if we dropped down the leagues. I 100% think we'd exist - but would I continue with a season ticket and going to every home game? As I posted previously I'm feeling at a bit of a personal cross roads with the us at the moment. Not particularly enjoying the home games due to quality in show, stopped going to away games due to young family. I'm not sure watching us play Arbroath and Dunfermline in the Championship really floats my boat. I'm a glory hunter basically I think. Haha.

I'm sure @JayMFC can clear up a few of these points @capt_oats But yeah, I guess I posted about this before like 500 pages ago probably, but a wee explainer about the governance structure and who can do what would be lovely. Quicker the WS website is back the better. I do expect an chairman and exec board to be able to do stuff without seeking majority shareholder confirmation as long as they are kept updated along the way. But it's the not knowing which leaves us wondering...obvious statement but that's the gap here.