Johnny Martin

For as long as the main parties in both countries are in the pockets of Zionist lobbies.

It's a fair point tbh. Although most Scots have actually accepted it. Scottish nationalists don't speak for Scots.

There is when it's a re run, parliament doesn't want it and most importantly the people don't support it or it's cause.

Yep. Two entirely different situations.

Hopefully his next one is in italics too.

I've come across some strange diversionary tactics, but colour coding perfectly decipherable posts really is scraping the barrel. Better luck next time.

The only way the SNP will get Scots to want independence is, as Kate Forbes rightly said during her leadership campaign, by good governance. That's definitely not happening under the continuity candidate. Unless the polling and voting patterns change dramatically, for a sustained and lengthy period of time, and I'm talking years, then granting a 2nd referendum on partition would be ridiculous. The whole notion of splitting up a country by striking while the iron is hot and Brexit is in the population's minds is really quite immoral.

You're right there. I'll well chuffed.

This was a disastrous night for the SNP and an outstanding one for Labour. The dynamic in Scottish politics has well and truly changed. I expected a Labour victory, but not by this margin.

It was a good answer from Tucker. I'd be interested to hear Shapiro's response - no doubt some sort of "market decides" pish.

I know what you're saying mate, but in my opinion they speak from the heart and do so with the best of intentions, as do you and others! I disagree with their previous comments.. but 'sanctimonious p***ks?' They were indeed very very wrong though Let's face it, we are punching above our weight and have done very well to 'B' where we are

Correct. The Vow was brought in due to panic. Polling in general was still in favour of keeping the country in tact, both before and after the Vow. The notion that the vow swung 11% of the vote is fantasy. Even if it did swing a few voters, then so what? It was just part of a campaign. As a Unionist, I wish they hadn't done it, as we ended up having to give away some powers to the devolved assembly. Quite funny how Foote is pulling the strings in the SNP now though.

Fantastic result! :)

This is what they call anyone that shares an opinion they don't like. It's all they know. If anything, feel sorry for them.

Don't expect a straight answer.

PM sent bud This is the last place I thought I'd ever find a potential new candidate

You should consider joining.

These consistent and arguably growing leads for No in polling is yet another reason why there's no mandate for another independence referendum. The only company that ever shows a Yes lead now is Fhind Out Now.

Labour and the SNP now level. Wingsy gives a decent analysis of this here Wings Over Scotland | Ground Zero Thing is, if the SNP actually reversed these silly policies that Scots hate, then they'd be back in with a chance. As it stands though, normal service is about to resume.

Voting tactically in FPTP elections doesn't stop them from voting down constitutional lines though. Doing the whole constitutional thing would be the reason for the tactical vote in the first place. Using constituency voting percentages then applying the Yes/No splits from opinion polling is grasping at straws. I'd be interested to see your source anyway, as I doubt the Labour split is as much as 70/30. You're better off just going by opinion polling on the independence question, which keeps showing No in the lead. You can talk about margins of error all you want, but the opinion poll still shows an actual percentage. The fact is that opinion polling before and after The SNP;s brand new Chief Executive's superb pro-Union Vow campaign, consistently showed a much smaller gap between Yes and No than the actual result. The actual result had a 10.6% (we'll round it up to 11%). The party leaders did agree that the Scottish Parliament is permanent. Westminster being able to abolish doesn't change that.

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MI5

Tell your translator not to give up his day job.

My point is that on the list, people will be less inclined to fall down the lines of Unionism and Nationalism, because there are always a plethora is single issue, niche parties that people will "give a chance" to. Yes, the result on the actual day was 10.6%, whereas polling both before and after The Vow was made (which was kept) had much smaller gaps. Thanks for the historical points, I didn't know that. I still don't frame it as us being Westminster ruling us though, as we elect the MPs so ultimately it's the people who are sovereign.

Fair enough. I commend you for that. You've done your homework and it appears you're right. Even when we dismiss the laughing stock that is Find Out Now you're still in the ballpark, so I'll eat humble pie. You may be right here. Yes I meant voters! My bad. I don't think the Alba and Green constituency votes are unrealistic in the context of our discussion as they'll just vote for the SNP anyway. The list vote may be more representative in terms of the wider D'hondt method, but in terms of it's votes being used as a barometer of support for partition, the constituency totals give a better view. People will be more likely to vote for single issue, wildcard, niche or joke parties on the list. Yes, but detailing the rest of them tells us what actually happened, and allows us to analyse the situation properly, which ends up undermining the idea of using the list votes as a true reflection of support for Guess or Naw. OK, Scottish electorate then. They don't want independence. This is obvious by the many recent opinion polls, especially when you take into account that opinion polling was generous to the Nhats pre Sept 2014 compared to the actual result. If that's still the case then we are looking at an ever larger gap than before. I note you've dropped the word 'English' from 'Doctrine of Parliamentary Superiority' - why? Of course parliament has sovereignty, which is normal for any country. Our devolved assembly in Edinburgh is merely an arm of that parliament. Us having a parliament, which is normal in any democracy, doesn't mean we're ruled by it. Parliamentary Democracy means we're not ruled by anyone.