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Ed says sorry, but guess what group jump on the bandwagon to demonise him

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/06/13/ed-miliband-very-sorry-for-endorsing-the-sun

I just glanced over that and this quote stood out

"It begs the question - were the comments he made after the Hillsborough panel report sincere or just sound bites?"

Has Ed Milliband ever said anything that wasn't a soundbite?

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No, not as much (in my opinion anyway).

It can at least be called a newspaper. It has certain standards. Not my cup of tea, but in no way comparable to the Sun.

The Times is owned by Murdoch as well though....

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Civil servant has been sacked for remarks on the Hillsborough wiki page

From the news report he was mocking the dead. As keen as I am for an open and frank debate on Hillsborough & for perhaps less pandering of the Campaign(ers)......mocking those that died like that is out of order imo.

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  • 6 months later...

Surprised they have accepted the honour from the "establishment"

“@SkySportsNewsHQ: BREAKING: Hillsborough campaigners Trevor Hicks and Margaret Aspinall awarded CBEs for their work in supporting bereaved families. #SSNHQ”

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Anyone not clued up on Hilsborough i would recommend watching the 30 for 30 documentary which you can get on youtube, brilliant stuff.

As for the fault of who caused the accident... the Leppings lane was and still is a bottle neck and you can't get round the sides of the stand when your outside very easily and this was obviously unsafe from day one. There was one obvious entrance to the stand which fed supporters into the 2 central pens and a lot of supporters didn't know that the entrance to the wider pens was around the corner and just followed the crowd in which caused the eventual crushing. This site lay out wasn't the polices fault but wasn't addressed to before the game which resulted in an almighty clusterfuck.

The idea of having supporters in pens in the first place was probably the most dangerous thing as had the pens not existed the fans would have dispersed out and found where was comfortable but because of these large fences that wasn't possible, again this wasnt the polices fault.

The main problem was that there was a switch in police personel which let the inexperienced David Duckenfield in charge who had no experience in crowd control, wasn't the right person for the job and only got the job because of a horrible prank played by officers on a rookie constable months before which resulted in the removal of the chief constable who usually controlled these games.

Duckenfield had no idea what to do on the day, the crowd were trying to get into the ground on time like any other supporters and it resulted in the disaster that was caused by poor organisation among the police and no leadership.

Duckenfield then in the heat of the moment when asked what was going on blamed the supporters for rioting, like any f**k up in the work place when asked what went wrong he tried to shift the blame and then this lie continued for generations.

I personally don't think Liverpool fans are to blame but there may well have been numerous fans blazing without tickets acting like rebels but the police shoulda handled it.

Im off out now

It's easily forgotten that football back then wasn't the warm, cuddly, family friendly game it is these days. It was blighted by hooliganism causing havoc across the Country/Continent.......anyone old enough to remember this won't be surprised by the finding of the inquiry that the Authorities covered things up. That doesn't mean I think they were right to do so.

I've always maintained that the Police were negligent in there acts & omissions but so were the ticketless Liverpool fans that entered the Leppings Lane end that day.

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The Taylor report cleared ticketless fans did it not?

To say the police were negligent is the biggest understatement possible. The complete mess they made of things on that day and to then begin a massive cover up like they did and the days after shows South Yorkshire Police to be the horrible force that they are when there had been serious problems in Semi Finals at that ground in previous years before 89.

The 30 for 30 doc is supposed to be excellent but it won't be shown in the UK until the current proceedings are over.

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The Taylor report cleared ticketless fans did it not?

To say the police were negligent is the biggest understatement possible. The complete mess they made of things on that day and to then begin a massive cover up like they did and the days after shows South Yorkshire Police to be the horrible force that they are when there had been serious problems in Semi Finals at that ground in previous years before 89.

The 30 for 30 doc is supposed to be excellent but it won't be shown in the UK until the current proceedings are over.

How can ticketless fans entering a confined & restricted space be deemed blameless?

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The failure of the "Justice" campaign to acknowledge the scumbaggery of many Liverpool fans on that day still leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

Quick to blame others, slow to look at their own fellow fans for their disgraceful behaviour on the day in question.

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The failure of the "Justice" campaign to acknowledge the scumbaggery of many Liverpool fans on that day still leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

Quick to blame others, slow to look at their own fellow fans for their disgraceful behaviour on the day in question.

Always the victims.

The irony, the cruel and horrible irony, is that they contributed to the deaths of their own fans.

They do have form.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/may/25/newsstory.sport8

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How can ticketless fans entering a confined & restricted space be deemed blameless?

He stated in the report that there was some fans without tickets but they were not the cause and it was the police losing control which caused it to happen.

Hillsborough had semi finals taken away from it from 1982 until 1987 as people almost died in 1981 and the ground didn't even have a safety certificate.

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He stated in the report that there was some fans without tickets but they were not the cause and it was the police losing control which caused it to happen.

Hillsborough had semi finals taken away from it from 1982 until 1987 as people almost died in 1981 and the ground didn't even have a safety certificate.

I've never said the Police or the facilities at Hillsborough were without blame but take away the ticketless fans that entered the confined & restricted space there would have been no crush & therefore no loss of life.

That can't be denied.

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