indicator Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Considering this could be the very thing that kills rangers its unbelievable that none of these people have been asked the question ... Agreed, but the answer is in the conundrum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 It is disgraceful that this question has not been asked of Sally, Walter Smith etc. At least Alex Thomson proved the Greig received money from and EBT Two possible ways of approaching this with Uncle Walter: "Walter - when you deserted Scotland and returned to Rangers, were you aware that they had been systematically cheating HMRC? And were you offered a similar deal to those under which players were contracted?" OR "Walter - now we all know you had no idea what was going on, and only picked the team. How do you feel about the way SDM and the board effectively lied to you and the fans over how the club was being run?" Guess which approach the Scottish "media" will take? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Two possible ways of approaching this with Uncle Walter: "Walter - when you deserted Scotland and returned to Rangers, were you aware that they had been systematically cheating HMRC? And were you offered a similar deal to those under which players were contracted?" OR "Walter - now we all know you had no idea what was going on, and only picked the team. How do you feel about the way SDM and the board effectively lied to you and the fans over how the club was being run?" Guess which approach the Scottish "media" will take? Yer ,,,EBT takers you all no you took part in a tax loophole that kills rangers dead how do you feel about that? And any plans to pay this so called loan back to save the club? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Two possible ways of approaching this with Uncle Walter: "Walter - when you deserted Scotland and returned to Rangers, were you aware that they had been systematically cheating HMRC? And were you offered a similar deal to those under which players were contracted?" OR "Walter - now we all know you had no idea what was going on, and only picked the team. How do you feel about the way SDM and the board effectively lied to you and the fans over how the club was being run?" Guess which approach the Scottish "media" will take? lol....I doubt they will ever ask Sir Walter to be honest. This is the same media that you could hear a mouse fart in a press conference after Rangers 4-1 humbling at home to Unirea after all ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killingfloorman Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Two possible ways of approaching this with Uncle Walter: "Walter - when you deserted Scotland and returned to Rangers, were you aware that they had been systematically cheating HMRC? And were you offered a similar deal to those under which players were contracted?" OR "Walter - now we all know you had no idea what was going on, and only picked the team. How do you feel about the way SDM and the board effectively lied to you and the fans over how the club was being run?" Guess which approach the Scottish "media" will take? Walter, do you agree that Scottish Football needs a strong Rangers? Walter does the big hoose have to stay open? Walter just how great are Rangers as an institution? I've just saved most of the Scottish press a week's 'work' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Yer ,,,EBT takers you all no you took part in a tax loophole that kills rangers dead how do you feel about that? And any plans to pay this so called loan back to save the club? The loans weren't from the club. They were from a trust. Can't say I'm bothered about which particular individuals used EBTs. It was the club's and Murray Group's scheme and it seems to have been pretty common practice at the club. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 No supprise there then ,rangers fans are usually 30 years behind everyone else. That post is knd of f**ked up now that the thread was merged. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squidger Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I like the idea of a mass supporters rally or some such but it always runs the risk of being taken over by the wrong elements. Yes, there is a high possibility of some political organisation thinking they can get some 'following' by jumping on the band wagon. There is however very simple things that can be done, nobody goes to their seats or remains outside the ground for the first 5 minutes, or gets up and goes away from their seats for 5 mins at a preordained time all over the country. Just enough to show the chairmen that their grounds could well be close to empty if they allow this to happen. Need to wait and see what the outcome of 30th April is but there is plenty of options. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 The loans weren't from the club. They were from a trust. Can't say I'm bothered about which particular individuals used EBTs. It was the club's and Murray Group's scheme and it seems to have been pretty common practice at the club. Whatever way you want to cut it..it's a tax dodge I don't care if it was rangers who paid for it or MIM or Murray loans or whatever at the end of the day anyone who took one of these pretend loans knew it was a tax dodge and that is why your club may die ...if someone in your work said we can double your wages if you just agree. To take less than half your wages from us and the rest from a loan from another company (by the way youll never need to pay back wink wink) what do you say? That's the practice you are trying to defend regardless of .....common practise ...blah blah all the high earners had agents accountants and they all knew exactly what the risks were,,,the only reason reason rangers could afford all the great players in the Murray era was because most of them took this giving rangers an unfair advantage to the tune of over 100 million. Now its you and fellow fans that are being begged by Smith McCoist and other tax dodgers save the club while they and their families can relax in the knowledge that theyre tax dodging has given them a cushy life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Whatever way you want to cut it..it's a tax dodge I don't care if it was rangers who paid for it or MIM or Murray loans or whatever at the end of the day anyone who took one of these pretend loans knew it was a tax dodge and that is why your club may die ...if someone in your work said we can double your wages if you just agree. To take less than half your wages from us and the rest from a loan from another company (by the way youll never need to pay back wink wink) what do you say? That's the practice you are trying to defend regardless of .....common practise ...blah blah all the high earners had agents accountants and they all knew exactly what the risks were,,,the only reason reason rangers could afford all the great players in the Murray era was because most of them took this giving rangers an unfair advantage to the tune of over 100 million. Now its you and fellow fans that are being begged by Smith McCoist and other tax dodgers save the club while they and their families can relax in the knowledge that theyre tax dodging has given them a cushy life. Calm down. It was a common tax planning device, used by hundreds of companies. Countless companies, firms and individuals look to reduce their tax liabilities. If we've messed it up we could pay a heavy price, but that remains to be seen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenpot Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 sorted. Aye well done , the priest must be proud of you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFLKING Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 No supprise there then ,rangers fans are usually 30 years behind everyone else. Sorted sorted. Aye well done , the priest must be proud of you Fantastic football banter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Calm down. It was a common tax planning device, used by hundreds of companies. Countless companies, firms and individuals look to reduce their tax liabilities. If we've messed it up we could pay a heavy price, but that remains to be seen. I admire your optimism.....that despite practically every Financial & Taxation Expert in the UK saying the contrary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Calm down. It was a common tax planning device, used by hundreds of companies. Countless companies, firms and individuals look to reduce their tax liabilities. If we've messed it up we could pay a heavy price, but that remains to be seen. Yeah hundreds of tax dodging companies,,,that's why hmrc won resptrospective powers to hammer companies like rangers last year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenpot Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Fantastic football banter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I admire your optimism.....that despite practically every Financial & Taxation Expert in the UK saying the contrary. I've told you a million times not to exaggerate. And I have no optimism. Or pessimism. I really don't know which way it will go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 The kings patters great. sorted 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) Yeah hundreds of tax dodging companies,,,that's why hmrc won resptrospective powers to hammer companies like rangers last year. The taxman is constantly trying to crack down on tax planning. Companies, individuals and their accountants are constantly trying to come up with new ways to reduce tax liabilities. If you're going to get hysterical about every one you'll be in a pretty bad state. Incidentally, do you know your team are playing right now? Edited April 22, 2012 by Bearwithme -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killingfloorman Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) I've told you a million times not to exaggerate. And I have no optimism. Or pessimism. I really don't know which way it will go. I can help you there. It will go straight down the pan - if there's any justice left in this world. Edited April 22, 2012 by killingfloorman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I've told you a million times not to exaggerate. And I have no optimism. Or pessimism. I really don't know which way it will go. The very fact that your clubs owner (Craig Whyte) has virtually conceded that Rangers will lose the case by taking the club into administration PRIOR to the case being decided should tell you something. I don't care what anyone thinks..........Craig Whyte's plan was ALWAYS to liquidate Rangers then start as a debt free Newco and sell for a profit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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