chico Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 This is interesting http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/what-if-celtic-accept-wrong-doing-re-juninhos-ebt-aberdeen-spl-winners-2005/ Should Celtic take the moral high ground and, even though Brian Quinn called a halt to the EBT for Juninho at an early stage and accounted to HMRC for relevant tax, put its hands up and admit guilt? (On the hypothesis that the EBT payments for Juninho were not declared to the football authorities.) In doing so, should Celtic admit that all the matches where Juninho played should be treated as 3-0 wins to the opposition (apart from the game against Rangers, where both teams would have lost 3-0!)? In that case, if Celtic accepted the blame, my calculations are that the SPL in 2004-2005 would have looked like this. Aberdeen 64 points Hibs 63 points Celtic 54 points Hearts 53 points and the bottom Rangers 0 points. Celtic should give up the Scottish Cup that year, to Dundee United. Aberdeen would of course be champions, rather than Rangers! If Celtic took that stance, would that leave Rangers with any argument at all? Been some very good point made by this guy over past few months. Quite thought provoking but he hasn't had the self promotion of the RTC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 i think rfc should pay all of their debts in full to the very last penny.....to every single creditor from the newsagent to hmrc Ultimatelty, others clubs (Livingston/Dundee/etc.) haven't, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 This is interesting http://scotslawthoug...l-winners-2005/ Been some very good point made by this guy over past few months. Quite thought provoking but he hasn't had the self promotion of the RTC. He was scarily accurate about Bill Millars intentions IIRC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedruleFTD83 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Are we, as fans of every scottish club, expected to accept Rangers at any level of scottish football after this ? Are we to accept that because the latest vultures were not involved in the club that everything should be swept under the carpet ? Are we to accept the financial survival argument from all of the other clubs outwith the OF and allow Rangers to be part of the game in this country ? Is there any reason at all for Rangers to continue as a football club in this country ? The time has finally arrived for this corrupt organisation to be dismantled. Forget Newco, forget SPL, forget division 3......It's over ! The only alternative is worse..............close down scottish football. Spot on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I recognised David Grier, his faither was Harry and was the Provost of Barrhead in the early 70's. They had a Grocer's Shop in Barrhead tae. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovaMan Bairn Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 This is interesting http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/what-if-celtic-accept-wrong-doing-re-juninhos-ebt-aberdeen-spl-winners-2005/ Been some very good point made by this guy over past few months. Quite thought provoking but he hasn't had the self promotion of the RTC. But more importantly. A certain 8 - 1 league cup defeat would be wiped from the record books! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I recognised David Grier, his faither was Harry and was the Provost of Barrhead in the early 70's. They had a Grocer's Shop in Barrhead tae. That should be enough for the blazers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forzamorton Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 (edited) Many question where answered tonight...except one. Edited May 23, 2012 by forzamorton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy1967 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 In terms of tax and related matters... but if contracts and football matters regard it as a 2nd contract, you could be guilty there as Rangers could be (albeit on a far lesser scale). I think because the Juninho EBT appears to have been a pay off to get rid of him early rather than a consistent source of income the football authorities will struggle to show it as a 2nd contract. I've read that the payments were disclosed to the SFA - if this is the case then I think we should be okay. If this isn't the case, and the SFA deem that we have to lose the Scottish Cup, as well as the all points gained from the games he played in that season then so be it, I'm sure we'll take our medicine and continue to operate in a responsible manner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pansypotterthedirtyrotter Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 The 3rd's going to be a cracking league next season. Especially when all the diddy chairmen start owning up to phantom ebt's in the hope of being relegated along with the OF to get their miniscule cut of a tv deal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Especially when all the diddy chairmen start owning up to phantom ebt's in the hope of being relegated along with the OF to get their miniscule cut of a tv deal Albion will be gutted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=221058 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pansypotterthedirtyrotter Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=221058 I think that gunslinger guy is really no.8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramer Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 (edited) http://scotslawthoug...l-winners-2005/ Should Celtic take the moral high ground and, even though Brian Quinn called a halt to the EBT for Juninho at an early stage and accounted to HMRC for relevant tax, put its hands up and admit guilt? (On the hypothesis that the EBT payments for Juninho were not declared to the football authorities.) In doing so, should Celtic admit that all the matches where Juninho played should be treated as 3-0 wins to the opposition (apart from the game against Rangers, where both teams would have lost 3-0!)? In that case, if Celtic accepted the blame, my calculations are that the SPL in 2004-2005 would have looked like this. Aberdeen 64 points Hibs 63 points Celtic 54 points Hearts 53 points and the bottom Rangers 0 points. Celtic should give up the Scottish Cup that year, to Dundee United. Aberdeen would of course be champions, rather than Rangers! If Celtic took that stance, would that leave Rangers with any argument at all? As far as I'm concerned this is official Edited May 23, 2012 by kramer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 so no evidence of second contracts then? Are you SURE you don't have the bus fare? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pansypotterthedirtyrotter Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 As far as I'm concerned this is official How embarrassing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 http://forum.rangers...howtopic=221058 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreenMonster Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 There wasn't really much materially new, but it was still illuminating Effectively the 2 major aspects were: [1] an impression of the scale of EBT use... which is relevant if Rangers lose the big tax case, in terms of the "spent money they never should've" football argument... and the repetition of the allegation that documents relating to EBTs may have amounted to 2nd contracts which weren't suitably declared to SFA [2] a much clearer illustration of the alleged conflict-of-interest between Duff & Phelps <> Whyte; this has been known and insinuated since day 1 but it got laid-out in a fairly obvious fashion. Of course D&P defend themselves, IIRC, on the basis of MRC being taken-over and their acting in a fair manner ("it looks bad but we're not bad" sort of idea) There were also 2 interesting minor aspects. Firstly a partial rebuttal of the claim David Murray was dupted. And secondly, a bizarre and slightly muted claim alluding to Souness getting £30k as some kind of bung for signing Tugay. Oddly enough, no mention was made about outstanding PAYE and NI!! So it didn't reveal much explosive, but it provided more clarity and is an excellent 1hr synopsis. They didn't say anything either about the Pope being Catholic or bears shitting in woods. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramer Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 How embarrassing I forgot the sarcasmicon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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