~~~ Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Highlights of the last ever Rangers game on C4 just now. Bloody Chelsea fans at it again! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepitsafe Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) thankfully people with more than one opinion are allowed to post and if you got the email from stuart mcall during the week i agree with what he has to say regarding how this effects our club. Care to share? eta: Transparancy and all that. Edited June 2, 2012 by keepitsafe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 as i said earlier the only reason suspension and expulsion are both options is because of amatuer teams. to a senior team they both mean the same thing (as is explained in the sfa statement) I can tell pefectly well that both have the same end result, but seeing as they "are the people" a 1 year suspension would allow them to get their affairs in order and allow some coloured knight to ride to the rescue . When they dissapear it'll be nobodies fault but their own. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Highlights of the last ever Rangers game on C4 just now. Is this the edited version of the march on hampden?. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18May1991 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 1338666781[/url]' post='6297570']I think he meant he favourites tweets all the time by accident. Still no idea what this means. Internet gimp shite. LOL LMAO etc etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustyarabnuts Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 eh? where did that McCall email go??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Here's a Rangers story from today's Daily Record which I can believe is true: http://www.dailyreco...86908-23882788/ im sure he paid that fine back at 6p in tne £ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Leighton Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Is this the edited version of the march on hampden?. Sandy Jardine's certainly popped up a few times, thought I saw the Big House chap too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_S_A_R Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) So you are in the "they are too big to be relegated/expelled/suspended" camp then? Personally I feel you have moved away from what is fair to what you think is commercially suitable. to me what is fair is what is commercially suitbale to mfc Why would it harm the league? Certainly the 10 point deduction Rangers suffered for entering administration didn't harm it. The current rules are that each case is to be dealt with on an individual basis. Just how many points do you think are suitable? Personally, I don't feel points are the answer, either the club exists within the SPL structure or it doesn't. multi year points deduction means there is more than one season where there will either be no league race or the team with the most points won't win. this is bad for the league imo You argue against the SFA from implementing this punishment but wish a multi year ban. Fair enough, but I don't feel that expulsion from the Scottish Cup is a suitable punishment for the "crimes" that have been perpetrated. i don't argue against it i just said i don't think they'll do it because of their own interests i think the scottish cup would be more competitive without rangers. i don't think the spl would. this is why i think multi year cup ban is preferable. Again, this is nothing to do with the SFA and everything to do with UEFA. You claimed that this punishment would be for a NewCo which we all know cannot compete in Europe without having 3 years worth of accounts. That is not a punishment, but the actual rules. i realise that. i never said the sfa would give them the ban. it's a cumlative punishment from all the relevant bodies. You started your reply by referencing the issue in an exclusively Scottish position (too big to go down malarkey) and at the end you start referencing other FA's punishments meted out. You can't have it both ways. that's spl vs sfa. it's up to the clubs who gets booted out which will be voted on soley on the basis of self interest. the sfa are an independent administrative body. Edited June 2, 2012 by T_S_A_R 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18May1991 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 1338669511[/url]' post='6297722']Care to share? eta: Transparancy and all that. He was explaining comments attributed to him in the media about the currents. He emails pretty much weekly about club stuff. Would post it but already deleted. You didn't miss much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_S_A_R Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Care to share? eta: Transparancy and all that. two secs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Still no idea what this means. Internet gimp shite. LOL LMAO etc etc I don't know what it means either - "saves" favourited tweet for posterity? Where this is saved I don't know either - somewhere on your mobile? Can you tweet from a mobile or do you need a Blackberry? (Don't know what a Blackberry is either, by the way.) Maybe there should be a sub-forum for us non tweeters and techno dinosaurs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_S_A_R Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Good afternoon ‘Well fans, I felt I had to email you to explain the comments reported in the Scottish Sun this week as I know this whole issue is causing some worry and anxiety for our fans. I need to clear it up as while the report is accurate and I did say these comments, they are not in the context in which I meant them when I spoke to Kenny MacDonald. Firstly, it is worth pointing out that this interview took place weeks ago – before the Dundee United game as I recall and the vast majority of it centred on Leeds United which is rightly reflected in the article. Why it has taken so long to get to print, I am not too sure. The significance of that is that I understand some of the feelings around this issue have become heightened since then, particularly in recent times following Mark Daly’s BBC Documentary broadcast last week; incidentally a programme I have not seen as I was at an Under 20s tournament in Holland. I think it is also worthwhile highlighting the clubs’ position which has been made clear to me and made public last week which is a fairly simple one. They (the Board that is) can only really take a stance if a ‘Newco’ application is brought in front of them – and that will come after discussions with you, the fans which is a very responsible line and one I not only support but applaud. I understand representatives from the board took part in discussions at the SPL yesterday and the outcomes of that were made public which brings more clarity. That’s a good thing, as is the SPL taking a similar position to the MFC Board on that ‘Newco’ issue. But let me try and explain what I meant by some of the comments in the paper which, as I’ve said, look much different in print than they do in a discussion. The caveat to it all, and I’ve been quoted on this before on the Motherwell website, MFC TV and various news source; Rangers should absolutely, without question, be punished for any wrongdoing that has happened or may prove to have happened. In the paper I was quoted as saying the SPL would be in serious trouble. By that, I simply meant the current standard and quality of Scottish Football as we all know it now. Some people might be quite happy with that in that they don’t think much of what we have anyway, I don’t know, that is very much up to you as an individual to make up your own mind and I respect every fans view on it. Would there be a TV deal? Yes, I think there would be just not of the same value as now. That combined with other revenue streams that would dry up would essentially mean our club would have to downsize pretty radically and very quickly. Look, at the moment we are pretty much competing with some League One, some League Two and even non-league clubs in England for players. In recent years, Motherwell fans have enjoyed players like Chris Porter, Lukas Jutkiewicz, John Ruddy, Darren Randolph, Nicky Law, Giles Coke, Nick Blackman, Steve Jennings and others because we are just about able to compete with those leagues I mentioned. If you reduce the budget to the extent we have talked about then none of that is possible. It’s not about what other clubs do, it’s about us and who we can attract to come and play at Fir Park! That’s not a threat; it is, I am afraid, the reality of the situation. We are constantly losing good players from the SPL who are choosing to go and play in England. Yes, that’s happened for a while now but just look at the players in recent seasons that have crossed the border which weakens our league. Just about every SPL club has an example from Maguire at Aberdeen, Bryson and Kilmarnock, Goodwillie and Conway at Dundee Utd and so on. Reduce the budget and we naturally have to reduce the quality of player that we can bring to the club. A ‘lesser’ player equates to a ‘lesser’ product on the park for supporters. As much as we want to win football games, we also want and have a duty to entertain and give value for money. Our better players are being drained away from the SPL. Massively reduce what we spend and that is exacerbated even more. I think it would also have a serious implication to the people who work for the club off the park too. I’ve only been here eighteen months but even in that time, I can see for myself some of the great strides that have been made by the club and those that run it day-to-day to make it more fan-friendly, to improve communication and administration, to better community links, to improve the youth infrastructure and that can only happen with the budget we have currently. Reduce the budget to the level predicted and, unfortunately, a great deal of what you come to expect from your club on a day-to-day basis becomes very difficult to maintain. I just want what is best for Motherwell Football Club! I am also very, very keen to stress that what I have said either previously or in this email is not in any way influenced by what club is involved. Yes, I was a Rangers player and enjoyed my time at the club but my focus is on Motherwell FC. I would be saying the exact same thing if Celtic were in the same situation and again, I have gone on record as saying that. The board has already said they will consult with you, the fans before making a call, if that comes around. If what I have said above is something everyone in the game in this country is prepared to accept, then I respect that too and we will all do our very best to try and overcome that! You may not agree with what I have said, but it gives you a better understanding of what I meant and not spread over a couple of paragraphs that didn’t quite get across what I was trying to say. It’s not about the preservation of another club; it’s about the continuous growth of this football club, building on the three of four years of success and growth. I reckon it would be such a shame if that whole process was jeopardised and hamstrung through no fault of the clubs. So please all be assured that as the Board have said whatever decision is taken and whatever our role as a club our focus is on what’s best for Motherwell long term and that means the sustainable success of our club. We think that goes hand in hand with the integrity of our sport. That will be our focus. Meantime let’s not let the worries elsewhere distract us too much from the hope and happiness around our Club. We have a lot to look forward to and we must stand together to keep growing the success of our team and our club which I know we can. Thanks for taking the time to read and I look forward to seeing you all again either at one of our pre-season matches or the big Champions League match in late July. All the best, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Whats the likelyhood that no players will be bought in, say, the next fortnight? They will be even cheaper when the CVA gets the Spanish Archer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Sandy Jardine's certainly popped up a few times, thought I saw the Big House chap too. It's a trailer of the day they eventually come a cropper Hope i'm on holiday when it happens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madeirabhoy Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) so a one year euro ban and a relegation for bribing refs domestically and in europe. yet people want rangers expelled for non payment of paye and vat despite hmrc not issuing a winding up order (bearing in mind the sfa committee aren't looking at BTC and dual contracts at the mo) you sure you are a well fan? bearing in mind Uefa were only looking at cheating in one game, whereas rangers, by way of stopping paying tax which realistically could only have been paid by selling a player or two, cheated in every game. and it was relegation and stripped title..... and no, people were quite happy with a transfer embargo, but 'the people' didnt want that so we might have to go with suspension.... Edited June 2, 2012 by madeirabhoy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owsley Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 so a one year euro ban and a relegation for bribing refs domestically and in europe. yet people want rangers expelled for non payment of paye and vat despite hmrc not issuing a winding up order (bearing in mind the sfa committee aren't looking at BTC and dual contracts at the mo) If memory serves, there were seven offences on the list that the independant SFA panel considered, including non payment of cup monies to Dundee Utd. You can now add another with the appeal to the CoS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Good afternoon 'Well fans, Just so you know, if it was down to me and i had the option of motherwell swapping places with rangers and taking all their punishment, i'd do it in a heartbeat. All the best, Fixed that for you. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Ok, TSAR, the problem with your reply is that you are saying what is fair for Motherwell, not what is fair. A subjective point of view rather than objective. If you think a team that to all purposes has cheated (and looks like to have cheated for a very long time indeed) should be given a reduced level of punishment because your club needs the money they bring in then that's fine, but it's not fair. The same point pretty much sums up my opinion of McCall's comments. If Motherwell have put themselves into a position where they would be fucked if Rangers were not part of the SPL then that is an issue for Motherwell and Motherwell only, not one for the SPL and only goes to show the club have been badly positioned to deal with such a situation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Highlights of the last ever Rangers game on C4 just now. Hopefuly the outcome will be similar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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