Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[Ken Fitlike]

rangers will still exist what ever happens, its only the ship of fools that are in charge now who are under threat.

Rangers don't exist at the moment.

There is a tribute act who have been in the leagues for 2 seasons, perhaps you mean them?

[MikeyWellFan]

Seeing as they're making their own 'Rangers' kits they'd be aswell go the full way and just form another club like FC United of Manchester.

They won't win this fight.

[GreenockRover]

rangers will still exist what ever happens, its only the ship of fools that are in charge now who are under threat.

That bit there....?

That's why there will always be people looking to make money from you.

[Apache Don]

the company that ran rangers, rangers football club plc was formed in 1899.

was this the year rangers fc was formed?

Rangers FC incorporated, that is registered itself as a company (not sure exact year but 18 something) and so become a Private Limited Company (Ltd) not a Public Limited Company (PLC). It did go on to become a PLC but this was during the DM years. The sequence of events went as so:- Rangers FC became Rangers FC Ltd which then became Rangers FC PLC - all the same entity - Rangers FC PLC went (into administration and subsequent liquidation) bust and a new company Sevco Scotland Ltd bought the assets from the administrators.

The word become, which I've helpfully highlighted, is significant btw. HTH Ooops HTPAL

[AberdeenBud]

Start a new club. Seriously.

Seeing as they're making their own 'Rangers' kits they'd be aswell go the full way and just form another club like FC United of Manchester.

They won't win this fight.

Best way forward imo.

Should've probably done that two years ago instead of participating in the SFA sponsored theft.

[MikeyWellFan]

Best way forward imo.

Should've probably done that two years ago instead of participating in the SFA sponsored theft.

I think they'd garner a lot of respect from doing this aswell.

The only problem is 'wur 54 titles' mean so much to your average bear and I think it would be hard for most of them to let go of the past success.

[Florentine_Pogen]

I think they'd garner a lot of respect from doing this aswell.

The only problem is 'wur 54 titles' mean so much to your average bear and I think it would be hard for most of them to let go of the past success.

How many of those titles were won during 'The Cheating Years' ?

[MikeyWellFan]

How many of those titles were won during 'The Cheating Years' ?

Couldn't tell you mate.

[Florentine_Pogen]

Sons of Strewth !! just won't let it lie.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/rangers/rangers-fans-chief-says-supporters-wont-close-door-on-board-talks-164187n.24269429

Chris Houston........is this the guy that was going to be sued by one of the Boulder Brothers in Spivgate ?

Hatchet been buried then ?

[nsr]

I think they'd garner a lot of respect from doing this aswell.

The only problem is 'wur 54 titles' mean so much to your average bear and I think it would be hard for most of them to let go of the past success.

That plus the fact it would be decades if ever before the new club was able to compete with Celtic on any meaningful level, and for most of them that's what matters.

The current incarnation will never be able to compete with Celtic on any meaningful level either, but for the moment they can delude themselves that isn't the case.

[Apache Don]

my bad, rangers football club ltd not plc, it was formed 1899.

You very bad. Rangers FC became Rangers FC Ltd - quite possibly in 1899 - by process of incorporation. By all means look up definition of the word 'incorporation'. The short answer is 'to become as one'. Therefor whatever befalls the one, so too befalls the other. Now if back in the day, a Ltd Company had bought Rangers FC, that would be entirely different, then Rangers FC would simply have become a transferable asset of The Company. This of course did not happen though and The Club in fact registered itself with Companies House, as a company. Boring old pish I know (and apologies to other readers) but if you will keep bringing it up, I will feel compelled to point out the facts, yet again.

[Florentine_Pogen]

That plus the fact it would be decades if ever before the new club was able to compete with Celtic on any meaningful level, and for most of them that's what matters.

The current incarnation will never be able to compete with Celtic on any meaningful level either, but for the moment they can delude themselves that isn't the case.

^^ Very important point. As, IMHO, is the following article :-

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Young men

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World Cup

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[MikeyWellFan]

That plus the fact it would be decades if ever before the new club was able to compete with Celtic on any meaningful level, and for most of them that's what matters.

The current incarnation will never be able to compete with Celtic on any meaningful level either, but for the moment they can delude themselves that isn't the case.

Yep.

It's sad that their obsession with being better than Celtic was ultimately what killed them the first time around and will be what kills them the second time aswell.

Sad is very much the wrong choice of word though.

[weirdcal]

Nobody likes us, we get slightly upset

oh dear, people dont agree with their outlook awwww diddums.

people dont agree with each other on here all the time but we dont walk away from a website..

ragers media.. lol

[Bing (2)]

so when was it unincorperated, was that when it became a private limited company under david murray?

It wasn't as you cannot unincorporate.

[thehoss]

Sons of Strewth !! just won't let it lie.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/rangers/rangers-fans-chief-says-supporters-wont-close-door-on-board-talks-164187n.24269429

Chris Houston........is this the guy that was going to be sued by one of the Boulder Brothers in Spivgate ?

Hatchet been buried then ?

Definite restraining order against him! You can barely make out the stadium.

[nsr]

Yep.

It's sad that their obsession with being better than Celtic was ultimately what killed them the first time around and will be what kills them the second time aswell.

Sad is very much the wrong choice of word though.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Celtic are only able to sustain their current level because of Dermot Desmond propping them up. Neither The Rangers nor Govan Phoenix FC would ever be able to reach that level without someone doing exactly the same thing.

[Apache Don]

so when was it unincorperated, was that when it became a private limited company under david murray?

What are you talking about? You are just at the wind-up, right? It became a private limited company in 18 canteen and remained so until after David Murray (DM) bought it over. DM decided to float it on stock exchange to raise capital and so it became a PLC. I believe he did apply to remove from stock exchange and it may well have reverted to private limited company (Ltd) status, of this I'm unsure but it makes no difference, private or public it was still an incorporated company and the one (singular) entity.

[Florentine_Pogen]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Celtic are only able to sustain their current level because of Dermot Desmond propping them up. Neither The Rangers nor Govan Phoenix FC would ever be able to reach that level without someone doing exactly the same thing.

Celtic regularly make a profit, do they not ? I think they made something like £10m last year and that's without four Bigotfests per season. They are guaranteed CL football for the foreseeable so I can't see their profits dipping any time soon.

[aofjays]

oh dear, people dont agree with their outlook awwww diddums.

people dont agree with each other on here all the time but we dont walk away from a website..

ragers media.. lol

That's hilarious. The sensitive wee soul won't be back apparently. Shame since his reading comprehension failed him the first time. For any Sevco fans that came here from that thread. You aren't cheats because you wrote off debt via liquidation, you are cheats because of systematic breaking of the rules (aka CHEATING). HTH.