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I went for an urban (modern) definition of tragic .... Language has evolved or are we confined to historical definitions on this forum?

tragic

Catastrophic, devoid of hope, without possibility of redemption.

Usage:

1. Melodramatically to make light of a minor misfortune, or a catastrophe that you don't think others will take seriously.

2. As a dismissive insult aimed at a person or object.

3. As an exclamation of incredulity. Similar to "Oh my god!", "No way!", "What does he think he's doing?", but perhaps most akin to "I can't bear to look", said while jostling for the best view.

1. It's tragic, I'm out of green lipstick!

2. That dress is tragic.

3. That nerd is really going to ask a cheerleader out - tragic!

You're clearly more "down with the kids" than I am.

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Aye the QC hasn't posted in a while, hope he hasn't fell down a well again. I actually miss the scamp.

His profile says "member status - banned".

He's not been active on here since 3rd of January.

I think I posted the same information about him around a week ago, but I'm not sure on which thread.

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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dave-king-kids-wanted-buy-5125452

Dave King: My kids wanted me to buy Liverpool, I fear we're losing a generation of Rangers fans
DAVE KING says his kids prefer watching Liverpool from their home in South Africa and he's worried that if the current mess continues then the club will lose a whole generation of new fans.

DAVE KING can’t remember the game but it was in 1963.

The Rangers team still trips off 
the tongue: Ritchie, Shearer, 
Caldow, Greig, MacKinnon, Baxter, Henderson, MacMillan, Millar, 
Brand and Wilson.

It was his first trip to Ibrox with his father. And what followed was an unbreakable affinity with a football club that he’s now trying to save.

Whether they like it or not, King’s family have had the allegiance passed down to them.

His four kids actually prefer to watch Liverpool from their home in South Africa. But their first allegiance?

They simply have no choice in the matter.

King is currently trying to pull off a coup of Ibrox. A tumultuous takeover of the boardroom that he believes will be rubber stamped at a General 
Meeting on March 4.

He’s convinced the game is up for the current Rangers regime. But if it isn’t, he fears that an entire generation of fans could be lost to the club.

After four years of turmoil on 
Edmiston Drive, King is worried 
that if it goes on much longer 
children from Rangers-supporting families will lose interest.

And that’s one of the reasons why he felt he HAD to come to the rescue.

He actually contemplated investing at Anfield a few years ago. But his heart was always at Ibrox.

As King outlined his plans should he take over as chairman, he said: 
“My family would prefer it to be 
Liverpool.

“But they’re Rangers fans because they have to be. My son is at university and streams every Liverpool game.

“However, he understands why I’m doing it. It’s part of their inheritance.

“I actually spoke to Liverpool six or seven years ago when they were 
looking to re-finance. But it never came to anything.

“Listen, I grew up as a Rangers fan. The fact I live in South Africa has never changed my attitude or my support for the club.

“I’m just the same as any other fan. I’m just in a privileged position to be able to do this.

“If someone else came in and put their money in – I’d rather it was their money than mine.

“But if I didn’t step forward and 
make a commitment, there was a chance of this process continuing to a point where it might not have 
been recoverable.

“Our history still remains even 
after four years of trouble. But it’s 
getting to a tipping point where 
Rangers could become irrelevant. And that’s offensive to me.

“I’m someone who grew up with my father and grandfather creating a legacy for me. I’d like to contribute sons and grandsons to that now.

“I want to see them enjoy the same benefits of this institution that I’ve enjoyed.

“I remember my dad taking me to my first game in 1963.

“It was that great team, Ritchie, Shearer, Caldow. I was only eight years old. So it was a father to son hand down.

“That’s what has happened for 143 years. If that stops because the dad isn’t going and he’s not taking his boy, all of a sudden you miss kids between the ages of six and 11.

“He might say to his father, ‘I’ll play golf or whatever’. It could become a real issue.

“You’ll miss a generation of children coming to see Rangers. And that’s the real danger of four years becoming eight years. We have to end it now.”

Daily Record JS56025465.jpg
Dave King speaks at a media conference announcing his plan for Rangers

King has spent the last week fielding questions on his South African tax case, financial Nomads and potential share issues.

But if he is given the keys to Ibrox next month, what will he do with a football squad who are drastically 
under-achieving and who currently don’t have a full-time gaffer?

King hinted that most of Murray Park’s out-of-contract men will be free to go.

And he has promised 
fans that he’ll appoint a ‘coach’ as opposed to a manager, who can identify and develop talented young players.

Even if that means 
snaring him from 
another club.

After watching last week’s Old Firm defeat at Hampden on TV , he said: “There is obviously 
an opportunity to have contracts 
terminated and we’ll have to make significant changes.

“I was surprised by the performance at Hampden against Celtic. I expected a higher standard but I certainly wasn’t thinking ‘wow, there’s six or seven guys here who could be useful in the Premier League’.

“This team is obviously not equipped to compete in the top flight and they’re really struggling.

“But it’s 
absolutely 
critical that we get the right man in. We need more a coach than a manager – someone with the capacity to identify good players.

“That will be the single most
important decision we make.

“Would we pay compensation to another club for the right manager? Yes, depending on the amount.

“Everyone would accept that 
Rangers need to be completely rebuilt and that’s why the role is so critical. We wouldn’t easily take our 
second choice if a little bit of money would get us our first choice.”

King’s previous stint as a director for Rangers was under former owner David Murray, whose mantra of ‘if Celtic spend a fiver, we’ll spend a 
tenner’ ultimately proved to be his – and the club’s downfall.

That’s why when the Castlemilk-born millionaire is devising his own strategy for running the club he admits he’d rather take a leaf out of Fergus McCann’s book, than Murray’s.

King said: “Fergus’ model at Celtic when he took over was a more 
responsible one. It was a managed approach and he did very well.

“Whereas David’s model was 
fine – just as long as he had that money to put in. But even big clubs can hurtle down the leagues quite quickly when a dominant owner isn’t around any more.

“We’ve gone through ‘event risk’ too often. It has been a period of turmoil.

“That’s why this board has to 
make sure we have a funding and financial policy in place so that 
doesn’t happen again.

“Hopefully the fans will understand that. We won’t take them to the 
abyss again.”

dave-king.jpg VIEW GALLERY

But King won’t know just how 
perilous Rangers’ financial position 
is until he’s in the door alongside 
prospective directors Paul Murray 
and John Gilligan.

If they emerge victorious at the 
GM they will carry out a forensic 
examination of the club’s affairs.

He revealed he expects there to be up to £2million worth of ‘surprises’ 
in there that may have been 
concealed by the current board.

But King insists he’s ready for 
every eventuality.

He said: “There is a limit to how bad it can be. I can’t imagine there will be a huge amount of creditors.

“I don’t think anyone has been
lending money that we don’t know about. The stadium isn’t being used as security so, while I think there will be surprises which might run into a couple of million, I doubt we’ll find a hole of £15-20million.

“Nobody would have lent money into that situation without some form of security.

“The burden we might have is how onerous 
the arrangements with Mike Ashley and Sports Direct are. If they’re 
going to continue to be onerous for 10 years, it’s going to take a huge amount of cash-flow 
out of the club that we’d like to stay in it.”

Kids want a Bentley but they have to make do with a clapped-out Cortina because that was rich daddy's first car. Doesn't look good for the future. If King died tomorrow they would be shot of these shares in an instant.

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His profile says "member status - banned".

He's not been active on here since 3rd of January.

I think I posted the same information about him around a week ago, but I'm not sure on which thread.

I changed my tag line thingy to " them negative waves". I don't think the QC is banned.

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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dave-king-kids-wanted-buy-5125452

Dave King: My kids wanted me to buy Liverpool, I fear we're losing a generation of Rangers fans
DAVE KING says his kids prefer watching Liverpool from their home in South Africa and he's worried that if the current mess continues then the club will lose a whole generation of new fans.

DAVE KING can’t remember the game but it was in 1963.

The Rangers team still trips off 
the tongue: Ritchie, Shearer, 
Caldow, Greig, MacKinnon, Baxter, Henderson, MacMillan, Millar, 
Brand and Wilson.

It was his first trip to Ibrox with his father. And what followed was an unbreakable affinity with a football club that he’s now trying to save.

Whether they like it or not, King’s family have had the allegiance passed down to them.

His four kids actually prefer to watch Liverpool from their home in South Africa. But their first allegiance?

They simply have no choice in the matter.

King is currently trying to pull off a coup of Ibrox. A tumultuous takeover of the boardroom that he believes will be rubber stamped at a General 
Meeting on March 4.

He’s convinced the game is up for the current Rangers regime. But if it isn’t, he fears that an entire generation of fans could be lost to the club.

After four years of turmoil on 
Edmiston Drive, King is worried 
that if it goes on much longer 
children from Rangers-supporting families will lose interest.

And that’s one of the reasons why he felt he HAD to come to the rescue.

He actually contemplated investing at Anfield a few years ago. But his heart was always at Ibrox.

As King outlined his plans should he take over as chairman, he said: 
“My family would prefer it to be 
Liverpool.

“But they’re Rangers fans because they have to be. My son is at university and streams every Liverpool game.

“However, he understands why I’m doing it. It’s part of their inheritance.

“I actually spoke to Liverpool six or seven years ago when they were 
looking to re-finance. But it never came to anything.

“Listen, I grew up as a Rangers fan. The fact I live in South Africa has never changed my attitude or my support for the club.

“I’m just the same as any other fan. I’m just in a privileged position to be able to do this.

“If someone else came in and put their money in – I’d rather it was their money than mine.

“But if I didn’t step forward and 
make a commitment, there was a chance of this process continuing to a point where it might not have 
been recoverable.

“Our history still remains even 
after four years of trouble. But it’s 
getting to a tipping point where 
Rangers could become irrelevant. And that’s offensive to me.

“I’m someone who grew up with my father and grandfather creating a legacy for me. I’d like to contribute sons and grandsons to that now.

“I want to see them enjoy the same benefits of this institution that I’ve enjoyed.

“I remember my dad taking me to my first game in 1963.

“It was that great team, Ritchie, Shearer, Caldow. I was only eight years old. So it was a father to son hand down.

“That’s what has happened for 143 years. If that stops because the dad isn’t going and he’s not taking his boy, all of a sudden you miss kids between the ages of six and 11.

“He might say to his father, ‘I’ll play golf or whatever’. It could become a real issue.

“You’ll miss a generation of children coming to see Rangers. And that’s the real danger of four years becoming eight years. We have to end it now.”

Daily Record JS56025465.jpg
Dave King speaks at a media conference announcing his plan for Rangers

King has spent the last week fielding questions on his South African tax case, financial Nomads and potential share issues.

But if he is given the keys to Ibrox next month, what will he do with a football squad who are drastically 
under-achieving and who currently don’t have a full-time gaffer?

King hinted that most of Murray Park’s out-of-contract men will be free to go.

And he has promised 
fans that he’ll appoint a ‘coach’ as opposed to a manager, who can identify and develop talented young players.

Even if that means 
snaring him from 
another club.

After watching last week’s Old Firm defeat at Hampden on TV , he said: “There is obviously 
an opportunity to have contracts 
terminated and we’ll have to make significant changes.

“I was surprised by the performance at Hampden against Celtic. I expected a higher standard but I certainly wasn’t thinking ‘wow, there’s six or seven guys here who could be useful in the Premier League’.

“This team is obviously not equipped to compete in the top flight and they’re really struggling.

“But it’s 
absolutely 
critical that we get the right man in. We need more a coach than a manager – someone with the capacity to identify good players.

“That will be the single most
important decision we make.

“Would we pay compensation to another club for the right manager? Yes, depending on the amount.

“Everyone would accept that 
Rangers need to be completely rebuilt and that’s why the role is so critical. We wouldn’t easily take our 
second choice if a little bit of money would get us our first choice.”

King’s previous stint as a director for Rangers was under former owner David Murray, whose mantra of ‘if Celtic spend a fiver, we’ll spend a 
tenner’ ultimately proved to be his – and the club’s downfall.

That’s why when the Castlemilk-born millionaire is devising his own strategy for running the club he admits he’d rather take a leaf out of Fergus McCann’s book, than Murray’s.

King said: “Fergus’ model at Celtic when he took over was a more 
responsible one. It was a managed approach and he did very well.

“Whereas David’s model was 
fine – just as long as he had that money to put in. But even big clubs can hurtle down the leagues quite quickly when a dominant owner isn’t around any more.

“We’ve gone through ‘event risk’ too often. It has been a period of turmoil.

“That’s why this board has to 
make sure we have a funding and financial policy in place so that 
doesn’t happen again.

“Hopefully the fans will understand that. We won’t take them to the 
abyss again.”

dave-king.jpg VIEW GALLERY

But King won’t know just how 
perilous Rangers’ financial position 
is until he’s in the door alongside 
prospective directors Paul Murray 
and John Gilligan.

If they emerge victorious at the 
GM they will carry out a forensic 
examination of the club’s affairs.

He revealed he expects there to be up to £2million worth of ‘surprises’ 
in there that may have been 
concealed by the current board.

But King insists he’s ready for 
every eventuality.

He said: “There is a limit to how bad it can be. I can’t imagine there will be a huge amount of creditors.

“I don’t think anyone has been
lending money that we don’t know about. The stadium isn’t being used as security so, while I think there will be surprises which might run into a couple of million, I doubt we’ll find a hole of £15-20million.

“Nobody would have lent money into that situation without some form of security.

“The burden we might have is how onerous 
the arrangements with Mike Ashley and Sports Direct are. If they’re 
going to continue to be onerous for 10 years, it’s going to take a huge amount of cash-flow 
out of the club that we’d like to stay in it.”

Kids want a Bentley but they have to make do with a clapped-out Cortina because that was rich daddy's first car. Doesn't look good for the future. If King died tomorrow they would be shot of these shares in an instant.

Serious question - why does our media fucking love Dave King ?

Despite reading this thread fairly regularly I'm not all that au fait with Mr King - my understanding is that he claims to have lost a lot more than he actually did when the previous lot went tits-up, and, of course, there's all the tax fraud he paid millions to escape a very lengthy jail term for !?

So why do they champion this chancer ahead of all the others ?

Why do they feel the need to support certain characters ahead of others characters anyhoo ?

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Serious question - why does our media fucking love Dave King ?

Despite reading this thread fairly regularly I'm not all that au fait with Mr King - my understanding is that he claims to have lost a lot more than he actually did when the previous lot went tits-up, and, of course, there's all the tax fraud he paid millions to escape a very lengthy jail term for !?

So why do they champion this chancer ahead of all the others ?

Why do they feel the need to support certain characters ahead of others characters anyhoo ?

Maybe some people offer themselves to the media more than others.

Media love people who are accessible and have something to say.

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Serious question - why does our media fucking love Dave King ?

Despite reading this thread fairly regularly I'm not all that au fait with Mr King - my understanding is that he claims to have lost a lot more than he actually did when the previous lot went tits-up, and, of course, there's all the tax fraud he paid millions to escape a very lengthy jail term for !?

So why do they champion this chancer ahead of all the others ?

Why do they feel the need to support certain characters ahead of others characters anyhoo ?

Because the Teds see King as a potential saviour; because newspapers are businesses, not a public service, and so will give their customers whatever they want, as often as they're prepared to pay for it.

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Because the Teds see King as a potential saviour; because newspapers are businesses, not a public service, and so will give their customers whatever they want, as often as they're prepared to pay for it.

This is the answer to the question.

Rangers fans champion him because he talks of challenging and beating Celtic, of Europe, of spending big and of defeats to teams like Hibs or Aberdeen not being acceptable.

Papers published for stupid people are therefore eager to reflect the stupid viewpoint.

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It's a very good question by Ned.

Yip, most of us know, as Monkey states, the poorer papers print what will appeal to the masses rather than the exact truth but with King it's beyond bad journalism.

41 (FORTY ONE) , vidiprinter style, charges of tax fraud. No journalist I'm aware of, possibly Tom English aside, has even asked about this to any degree and even then not to Kings coupon. Spare us any Record hacks, they don't have the integrity to allow their opinions to count.

We have a club/business pretty much trading whilst insolvent. Two guys seemingly about to go head to head to run the show of the insolvent company. One of which is a convicted tax thief who cannot become a director the other who is breaking current rules due to the amount of influence he has. 9 odd percent he maybe has but he's allowed to put his own puppets in place on the board so he IS running the show. Picking players so near enough picking the team. How are our governing body handling all this? They are shitting bricks because Ashley is lawyered up and King seems to have the backing of most Rangers fans.

Hibs, QOTS, Falkirk must be ready to ask the fanny's that run our game what is going on?

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Obviously Dundee United don't share your version of events since they celebrated their centenary in 2009. If it's your opinion that a new club was formed from the ashes of the old one in 1923 that's fine. What is not in doubt is that because of the dispute over the name City the reformed club or the new club continued to use the name Hibernian until it was agreed that United could be used.You sort of made the point for me when you stated that the name (Hibernian) would have been dropped sooner if there hadn't been a dispute over the name of choice. Why was that?

I only gave the bare bones of what happened. There was so much politics and arguing which went on that it would be impossible to go into here. Essentially, Dundee Hibernian went bust, and out of business. Three of their businessman (shopkeepers)supporters thought it a shame that the ground was lying derelict, and thought it a good idea to start a new team. I cannot argue that the Irish Question was addressed, but it was not a major issue, hence the decision to resurrect the name for purposes of league admission. There were no members of the old club involved with Dundee City whatsoever, as they wanted to start from scratch as a brand new outfit, hence the new name (Dundee City) and new colours (black & white).

Indeed, we had the unusual situation of Dundee Hibernian on the park, but trading as Dundee City FC. The reason United associate themselves with the Hibs is simply confusion over the mists of time, going back to when nobody was that interested in club history, and it was simply assumed that it was a case of same park - same team. I did an in depth history of Dundee Hibernian some years ago, and where it is probably true to say that had there been no Hibs there would be no United, there are no physical links between the two.

There! An interesting wee digression but hadn't we better get back to what we're here for, ie Rangers?

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I only gave the bare bones of what happened. There was so much politics and arguing which went on that it would be impossible to go into here. Essentially, Dundee Hibernian went bust, and out of business. Three of their businessman (shopkeepers)supporters thought it a shame that the ground was lying derelict, and thought it a good idea to start a new team. I cannot argue that the Irish Question was addressed, but it was not a major issue, hence the decision to resurrect the name for purposes of league admission. There were no members of the old club involved with Dundee City whatsoever, as they wanted to start from scratch as a brand new outfit, hence the new name (Dundee City) and new colours (black & white).

Indeed, we had the unusual situation of Dundee Hibernian on the park, but trading as Dundee City FC. The reason United associate themselves with the Hibs is simply confusion over the mists of time, going back to when nobody was that interested in club history, and it was simply assumed that it was a case of same park - same team. I did an in depth history of Dundee Hibernian some years ago, and where it is probably true to say that had there been no Hibs there would be no United, there are no physical links between the two.

There! An interesting wee digression but hadn't we better get back to what we're here for, ie Rangers?

Listen thanks for that and yes it's time to get back on track.

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