bennett Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Hellbhoy is missing,might only get 410, I'm looking forward to having a pint with kinky. Aye the QC hasn't posted in a while, hope he hasn't fell down a well again. I actually miss the scamp. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I went for an urban (modern) definition of tragic .... Language has evolved or are we confined to historical definitions on this forum? tragic Catastrophic, devoid of hope, without possibility of redemption. Usage: 1. Melodramatically to make light of a minor misfortune, or a catastrophe that you don't think others will take seriously. 2. As a dismissive insult aimed at a person or object. 3. As an exclamation of incredulity. Similar to "Oh my god!", "No way!", "What does he think he's doing?", but perhaps most akin to "I can't bear to look", said while jostling for the best view. 1. It's tragic, I'm out of green lipstick! 2. That dress is tragic. 3. That nerd is really going to ask a cheerleader out - tragic! You're clearly more "down with the kids" than I am. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirdrockfromtheSon Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Aye the QC hasn't posted in a while, hope he hasn't fell down a well again. I actually miss the scamp. His profile says "member status - banned". He's not been active on here since 3rd of January. I think I posted the same information about him around a week ago, but I'm not sure on which thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottxs Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 He's not banned. imagine the social unrest if hellboy was banned. BRALT Armageddon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeHectorPar Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dave-king-kids-wanted-buy-5125452 Trending Celtic FC Rangers FC Record FC Viral Videos League Cup Property Business Motoring Travel Lifestyle Home Sport Football Football News Rangers FC Dave King: My kids wanted me to buy Liverpool, I fear we're losing a generation of Rangers fans 11:29, 8 February 2015 By Scott McDermott DAVE KING says his kids prefer watching Liverpool from their home in South Africa and he's worried that if the current mess continues then the club will lose a whole generation of new fans. 73 Shares Share Tweet +1 Email DAVE KING can’t remember the game but it was in 1963. The Rangers team still trips off the tongue: Ritchie, Shearer, Caldow, Greig, MacKinnon, Baxter, Henderson, MacMillan, Millar, Brand and Wilson. It was his first trip to Ibrox with his father. And what followed was an unbreakable affinity with a football club that he’s now trying to save. Whether they like it or not, King’s family have had the allegiance passed down to them. His four kids actually prefer to watch Liverpool from their home in South Africa. But their first allegiance? They simply have no choice in the matter. King is currently trying to pull off a coup of Ibrox. A tumultuous takeover of the boardroom that he believes will be rubber stamped at a General Meeting on March 4. He’s convinced the game is up for the current Rangers regime. But if it isn’t, he fears that an entire generation of fans could be lost to the club. After four years of turmoil on Edmiston Drive, King is worried that if it goes on much longer children from Rangers-supporting families will lose interest. And that’s one of the reasons why he felt he HAD to come to the rescue. He actually contemplated investing at Anfield a few years ago. But his heart was always at Ibrox. As King outlined his plans should he take over as chairman, he said: “My family would prefer it to be Liverpool. “But they’re Rangers fans because they have to be. My son is at university and streams every Liverpool game. “However, he understands why I’m doing it. It’s part of their inheritance. “I actually spoke to Liverpool six or seven years ago when they were looking to re-finance. But it never came to anything. “Listen, I grew up as a Rangers fan. The fact I live in South Africa has never changed my attitude or my support for the club. “I’m just the same as any other fan. I’m just in a privileged position to be able to do this. “If someone else came in and put their money in – I’d rather it was their money than mine. “But if I didn’t step forward and make a commitment, there was a chance of this process continuing to a point where it might not have been recoverable. “Our history still remains even after four years of trouble. But it’s getting to a tipping point where Rangers could become irrelevant. And that’s offensive to me. “I’m someone who grew up with my father and grandfather creating a legacy for me. I’d like to contribute sons and grandsons to that now. “I want to see them enjoy the same benefits of this institution that I’ve enjoyed. “I remember my dad taking me to my first game in 1963. “It was that great team, Ritchie, Shearer, Caldow. I was only eight years old. So it was a father to son hand down. “That’s what has happened for 143 years. If that stops because the dad isn’t going and he’s not taking his boy, all of a sudden you miss kids between the ages of six and 11. “He might say to his father, ‘I’ll play golf or whatever’. It could become a real issue. “You’ll miss a generation of children coming to see Rangers. And that’s the real danger of four years becoming eight years. We have to end it now.” Daily Record Dave King speaks at a media conference announcing his plan for Rangers King has spent the last week fielding questions on his South African tax case, financial Nomads and potential share issues. But if he is given the keys to Ibrox next month, what will he do with a football squad who are drastically under-achieving and who currently don’t have a full-time gaffer? King hinted that most of Murray Park’s out-of-contract men will be free to go. And he has promised fans that he’ll appoint a ‘coach’ as opposed to a manager, who can identify and develop talented young players. Even if that means snaring him from another club. After watching last week’s Old Firm defeat at Hampden on TV , he said: “There is obviously an opportunity to have contracts terminated and we’ll have to make significant changes. “I was surprised by the performance at Hampden against Celtic. I expected a higher standard but I certainly wasn’t thinking ‘wow, there’s six or seven guys here who could be useful in the Premier League’. “This team is obviously not equipped to compete in the top flight and they’re really struggling. “But it’s absolutely critical that we get the right man in. We need more a coach than a manager – someone with the capacity to identify good players. “That will be the single most important decision we make. “Would we pay compensation to another club for the right manager? Yes, depending on the amount. “Everyone would accept that Rangers need to be completely rebuilt and that’s why the role is so critical. We wouldn’t easily take our second choice if a little bit of money would get us our first choice.” King’s previous stint as a director for Rangers was under former owner David Murray, whose mantra of ‘if Celtic spend a fiver, we’ll spend a tenner’ ultimately proved to be his – and the club’s downfall. That’s why when the Castlemilk-born millionaire is devising his own strategy for running the club he admits he’d rather take a leaf out of Fergus McCann’s book, than Murray’s. King said: “Fergus’ model at Celtic when he took over was a more responsible one. It was a managed approach and he did very well. “Whereas David’s model was fine – just as long as he had that money to put in. But even big clubs can hurtle down the leagues quite quickly when a dominant owner isn’t around any more. “We’ve gone through ‘event risk’ too often. It has been a period of turmoil. “That’s why this board has to make sure we have a funding and financial policy in place so that doesn’t happen again. “Hopefully the fans will understand that. We won’t take them to the abyss again.” VIEW GALLERY But King won’t know just how perilous Rangers’ financial position is until he’s in the door alongside prospective directors Paul Murray and John Gilligan. If they emerge victorious at the GM they will carry out a forensic examination of the club’s affairs. He revealed he expects there to be up to £2million worth of ‘surprises’ in there that may have been concealed by the current board. But King insists he’s ready for every eventuality. He said: “There is a limit to how bad it can be. I can’t imagine there will be a huge amount of creditors. “I don’t think anyone has been lending money that we don’t know about. The stadium isn’t being used as security so, while I think there will be surprises which might run into a couple of million, I doubt we’ll find a hole of £15-20million. “Nobody would have lent money into that situation without some form of security. “The burden we might have is how onerous the arrangements with Mike Ashley and Sports Direct are. If they’re going to continue to be onerous for 10 years, it’s going to take a huge amount of cash-flow out of the club that we’d like to stay in it.” Kids want a Bentley but they have to make do with a clapped-out Cortina because that was rich daddy's first car. Doesn't look good for the future. If King died tomorrow they would be shot of these shares in an instant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 His profile says "member status - banned". He's not been active on here since 3rd of January. I think I posted the same information about him around a week ago, but I'm not sure on which thread. I changed my tag line thingy to " them negative waves". I don't think the QC is banned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dave-king-kids-wanted-buy-5125452 Trending Celtic FC Rangers FC Record FC Viral Videos League Cup Property Business Motoring Travel Lifestyle Home Sport Football Football News Rangers FC Dave King: My kids wanted me to buy Liverpool, I fear we're losing a generation of Rangers fans 11:29, 8 February 2015 By Scott McDermott DAVE KING says his kids prefer watching Liverpool from their home in South Africa and he's worried that if the current mess continues then the club will lose a whole generation of new fans. 73 Shares Share Tweet +1 Email DAVE KING can’t remember the game but it was in 1963. The Rangers team still trips off the tongue: Ritchie, Shearer, Caldow, Greig, MacKinnon, Baxter, Henderson, MacMillan, Millar, Brand and Wilson. It was his first trip to Ibrox with his father. And what followed was an unbreakable affinity with a football club that he’s now trying to save. Whether they like it or not, King’s family have had the allegiance passed down to them. His four kids actually prefer to watch Liverpool from their home in South Africa. But their first allegiance? They simply have no choice in the matter. King is currently trying to pull off a coup of Ibrox. A tumultuous takeover of the boardroom that he believes will be rubber stamped at a General Meeting on March 4. He’s convinced the game is up for the current Rangers regime. But if it isn’t, he fears that an entire generation of fans could be lost to the club. After four years of turmoil on Edmiston Drive, King is worried that if it goes on much longer children from Rangers-supporting families will lose interest. And that’s one of the reasons why he felt he HAD to come to the rescue. He actually contemplated investing at Anfield a few years ago. But his heart was always at Ibrox. As King outlined his plans should he take over as chairman, he said: “My family would prefer it to be Liverpool. “But they’re Rangers fans because they have to be. My son is at university and streams every Liverpool game. “However, he understands why I’m doing it. It’s part of their inheritance. “I actually spoke to Liverpool six or seven years ago when they were looking to re-finance. But it never came to anything. “Listen, I grew up as a Rangers fan. The fact I live in South Africa has never changed my attitude or my support for the club. “I’m just the same as any other fan. I’m just in a privileged position to be able to do this. “If someone else came in and put their money in – I’d rather it was their money than mine. “But if I didn’t step forward and make a commitment, there was a chance of this process continuing to a point where it might not have been recoverable. “Our history still remains even after four years of trouble. But it’s getting to a tipping point where Rangers could become irrelevant. And that’s offensive to me. “I’m someone who grew up with my father and grandfather creating a legacy for me. I’d like to contribute sons and grandsons to that now. “I want to see them enjoy the same benefits of this institution that I’ve enjoyed. “I remember my dad taking me to my first game in 1963. “It was that great team, Ritchie, Shearer, Caldow. I was only eight years old. So it was a father to son hand down. “That’s what has happened for 143 years. If that stops because the dad isn’t going and he’s not taking his boy, all of a sudden you miss kids between the ages of six and 11. “He might say to his father, ‘I’ll play golf or whatever’. It could become a real issue. “You’ll miss a generation of children coming to see Rangers. And that’s the real danger of four years becoming eight years. We have to end it now.” Daily Record Dave King speaks at a media conference announcing his plan for RangersKing has spent the last week fielding questions on his South African tax case, financial Nomads and potential share issues. But if he is given the keys to Ibrox next month, what will he do with a football squad who are drastically under-achieving and who currently don’t have a full-time gaffer? King hinted that most of Murray Park’s out-of-contract men will be free to go. And he has promised fans that he’ll appoint a ‘coach’ as opposed to a manager, who can identify and develop talented young players. Even if that means snaring him from another club. After watching last week’s Old Firm defeat at Hampden on TV , he said: “There is obviously an opportunity to have contracts terminated and we’ll have to make significant changes. “I was surprised by the performance at Hampden against Celtic. I expected a higher standard but I certainly wasn’t thinking ‘wow, there’s six or seven guys here who could be useful in the Premier League’. “This team is obviously not equipped to compete in the top flight and they’re really struggling. “But it’s absolutely critical that we get the right man in. We need more a coach than a manager – someone with the capacity to identify good players. “That will be the single most important decision we make. “Would we pay compensation to another club for the right manager? Yes, depending on the amount. “Everyone would accept that Rangers need to be completely rebuilt and that’s why the role is so critical. We wouldn’t easily take our second choice if a little bit of money would get us our first choice.” King’s previous stint as a director for Rangers was under former owner David Murray, whose mantra of ‘if Celtic spend a fiver, we’ll spend a tenner’ ultimately proved to be his – and the club’s downfall. That’s why when the Castlemilk-born millionaire is devising his own strategy for running the club he admits he’d rather take a leaf out of Fergus McCann’s book, than Murray’s. King said: “Fergus’ model at Celtic when he took over was a more responsible one. It was a managed approach and he did very well. “Whereas David’s model was fine – just as long as he had that money to put in. But even big clubs can hurtle down the leagues quite quickly when a dominant owner isn’t around any more. “We’ve gone through ‘event risk’ too often. It has been a period of turmoil. “That’s why this board has to make sure we have a funding and financial policy in place so that doesn’t happen again. “Hopefully the fans will understand that. We won’t take them to the abyss again.” VIEW GALLERY But King won’t know just how perilous Rangers’ financial position is until he’s in the door alongside prospective directors Paul Murray and John Gilligan. If they emerge victorious at the GM they will carry out a forensic examination of the club’s affairs. He revealed he expects there to be up to £2million worth of ‘surprises’ in there that may have been concealed by the current board. But King insists he’s ready for every eventuality. He said: “There is a limit to how bad it can be. I can’t imagine there will be a huge amount of creditors. “I don’t think anyone has been lending money that we don’t know about. The stadium isn’t being used as security so, while I think there will be surprises which might run into a couple of million, I doubt we’ll find a hole of £15-20million. “Nobody would have lent money into that situation without some form of security. “The burden we might have is how onerous the arrangements with Mike Ashley and Sports Direct are. If they’re going to continue to be onerous for 10 years, it’s going to take a huge amount of cash-flow out of the club that we’d like to stay in it.” Kids want a Bentley but they have to make do with a clapped-out Cortina because that was rich daddy's first car. Doesn't look good for the future. If King died tomorrow they would be shot of these shares in an instant. Serious question - why does our media fucking love Dave King ? Despite reading this thread fairly regularly I'm not all that au fait with Mr King - my understanding is that he claims to have lost a lot more than he actually did when the previous lot went tits-up, and, of course, there's all the tax fraud he paid millions to escape a very lengthy jail term for !? So why do they champion this chancer ahead of all the others ? Why do they feel the need to support certain characters ahead of others characters anyhoo ? 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Boghead ranter Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Serious question - why does our media fucking love Dave King ? Despite reading this thread fairly regularly I'm not all that au fait with Mr King - my understanding is that he claims to have lost a lot more than he actually did when the previous lot went tits-up, and, of course, there's all the tax fraud he paid millions to escape a very lengthy jail term for !? So why do they champion this chancer ahead of all the others ? Why do they feel the need to support certain characters ahead of others characters anyhoo ? Maybe some people offer themselves to the media more than others. Media love people who are accessible and have something to say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Serious question - why does our media fucking love Dave King ? Despite reading this thread fairly regularly I'm not all that au fait with Mr King - my understanding is that he claims to have lost a lot more than he actually did when the previous lot went tits-up, and, of course, there's all the tax fraud he paid millions to escape a very lengthy jail term for !? So why do they champion this chancer ahead of all the others ? Why do they feel the need to support certain characters ahead of others characters anyhoo ? Because the Teds see King as a potential saviour; because newspapers are businesses, not a public service, and so will give their customers whatever they want, as often as they're prepared to pay for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Because the Teds see King as a potential saviour; because newspapers are businesses, not a public service, and so will give their customers whatever they want, as often as they're prepared to pay for it. This is the answer to the question. Rangers fans champion him because he talks of challenging and beating Celtic, of Europe, of spending big and of defeats to teams like Hibs or Aberdeen not being acceptable. Papers published for stupid people are therefore eager to reflect the stupid viewpoint. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Where are the Londonderry Wall Guarders today at Sevco Shithole? O'Ashley should fine them for desertion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipper Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I'm glad you're trying to use what happened in 1923 as being relevant as to why people become fans of clubs in 2015 ..... bravo ... Says the man who's club bangs on about their history ad nauseam. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim999 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 It's a very good question by Ned. Yip, most of us know, as Monkey states, the poorer papers print what will appeal to the masses rather than the exact truth but with King it's beyond bad journalism. 41 (FORTY ONE) , vidiprinter style, charges of tax fraud. No journalist I'm aware of, possibly Tom English aside, has even asked about this to any degree and even then not to Kings coupon. Spare us any Record hacks, they don't have the integrity to allow their opinions to count. We have a club/business pretty much trading whilst insolvent. Two guys seemingly about to go head to head to run the show of the insolvent company. One of which is a convicted tax thief who cannot become a director the other who is breaking current rules due to the amount of influence he has. 9 odd percent he maybe has but he's allowed to put his own puppets in place on the board so he IS running the show. Picking players so near enough picking the team. How are our governing body handling all this? They are shitting bricks because Ashley is lawyered up and King seems to have the backing of most Rangers fans. Hibs, QOTS, Falkirk must be ready to ask the fanny's that run our game what is going on? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I'm doing some free advertising today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipsy Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Obviously Dundee United don't share your version of events since they celebrated their centenary in 2009. If it's your opinion that a new club was formed from the ashes of the old one in 1923 that's fine. What is not in doubt is that because of the dispute over the name City the reformed club or the new club continued to use the name Hibernian until it was agreed that United could be used.You sort of made the point for me when you stated that the name (Hibernian) would have been dropped sooner if there hadn't been a dispute over the name of choice. Why was that? I only gave the bare bones of what happened. There was so much politics and arguing which went on that it would be impossible to go into here. Essentially, Dundee Hibernian went bust, and out of business. Three of their businessman (shopkeepers)supporters thought it a shame that the ground was lying derelict, and thought it a good idea to start a new team. I cannot argue that the Irish Question was addressed, but it was not a major issue, hence the decision to resurrect the name for purposes of league admission. There were no members of the old club involved with Dundee City whatsoever, as they wanted to start from scratch as a brand new outfit, hence the new name (Dundee City) and new colours (black & white). Indeed, we had the unusual situation of Dundee Hibernian on the park, but trading as Dundee City FC. The reason United associate themselves with the Hibs is simply confusion over the mists of time, going back to when nobody was that interested in club history, and it was simply assumed that it was a case of same park - same team. I did an in depth history of Dundee Hibernian some years ago, and where it is probably true to say that had there been no Hibs there would be no United, there are no physical links between the two. There! An interesting wee digression but hadn't we better get back to what we're here for, ie Rangers? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I doubt it's me that's struggling.But you would wouldn't you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Hee hee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 There! An interesting wee digression but hadn't we better get back to what we're here for, ie Rangers? On the money, chap. P&B is all about Rangers. We even have posters join just to express their interest in matters down Govan way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipper Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I only gave the bare bones of what happened. There was so much politics and arguing which went on that it would be impossible to go into here. Essentially, Dundee Hibernian went bust, and out of business. Three of their businessman (shopkeepers)supporters thought it a shame that the ground was lying derelict, and thought it a good idea to start a new team. I cannot argue that the Irish Question was addressed, but it was not a major issue, hence the decision to resurrect the name for purposes of league admission. There were no members of the old club involved with Dundee City whatsoever, as they wanted to start from scratch as a brand new outfit, hence the new name (Dundee City) and new colours (black & white). Indeed, we had the unusual situation of Dundee Hibernian on the park, but trading as Dundee City FC. The reason United associate themselves with the Hibs is simply confusion over the mists of time, going back to when nobody was that interested in club history, and it was simply assumed that it was a case of same park - same team. I did an in depth history of Dundee Hibernian some years ago, and where it is probably true to say that had there been no Hibs there would be no United, there are no physical links between the two. There! An interesting wee digression but hadn't we better get back to what we're here for, ie Rangers? Listen thanks for that and yes it's time to get back on track. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Oh, Kinky. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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