Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[RedRob72]

THE NEWCUNTO F.C.

How did your prediction go today ya F*ckin mug, changed your pish stained breeks this week ??

[nsr]

Sevconians - still bitter bigotted raging bellends whether win, lose or draw :lol:

[RedRob72]

Sevconians - still bitter bigotted raging bellends whether win, lose or draw :lol:

Stop following us then, Ya wee w**k, it's easy

[stonedsailor]

From the Daily Mail.

Did Scottish FA break own rules during process of granting new Rangers chairman Dave King fit-and-proper status?

Rangers chairman Dave King was awarded fit-and-proper status this week

Eight members of the SFA board made the final decision on Tuesday

Sportsmail has learned of surprise and concern among members of the 11-man Professional Game Board over their exclusion from decision

By STEPHEN MCGOWAN FOR THE SCOTTISH DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 00:53, 23 May 2015 | UPDATED: 01:05, 23 May 2015

The Scottish FA were last night facing fresh questions over the process which ended in Dave King being granted fit-and-proper status.

The new Rangers chairman was given the green light on Tuesday by the eight-man full SFA board following a protracted debate over his South African tax convictions and his presence on the Ibrox board when the club suffered an insolvency event in 2012.

Sportsmail has learned, however, of surprise and concern among some members of the SFA’s 11-man Professional Game Board over their exclusion from the final discussion and decision on the matter.

The PGB last met three weeks ago, on April 30, when they granted interim Rangers chairman Paul Murray the all-clear on his own fit-and-proper status. In the aftermath of the Murray vote, PGB members expected to be summoned for a final King ruling.

This week’s SFA statement confirmed, however, that the decision over the South African businessman was actually taken only by the eight-man SFA board despite SFA Board Protocols section 3.15 (iv) stating that responsibility for ‘approving persons to hold position within Association Football’ lies with the PGB.

In exceptional circumstances article 64.1 of the SFA rulebook says the full Board: ‘shall at any time be entitled to exercise its powers in relation to areas of responsibility... like matters considered and determined by the Professional Game Board.’

However Sportsmail understands that, after ruling on Murray, members of the PGB now want clarification on why they were excluded from voting on King.

The current PGB consists of Rod Petrie (Hibs), Neil Doncaster (SPFL), Ralph Topping (SPFL), Peter Lawwell (Celtic), Duncan Fraser (Aberdeen), Mike Mulraney (Alloa), Sandy Stables (Highland League), Andrew Waddell (Lowland League), Stewart Regan (SFA chief executive), Campbell Ogilvie (SFA President) and Alan McRae (first vice-president of the SFA).

The main SFA board consists of Regan, Ogilvie, McRae, Petrie, Barrie Jackson, the independent non-executive director, Peter Lawwell, Ralph Topping and Tom Johnston of the Junior FA.

The SFA are facing fresh questions over the process that led to fit-and-proper status being awarded

The statement confirming King had been given the green light referred only to the ‘Board of the Scottish FA’ with the key passage reading: ‘Having considered all submissions received from Mr King and the club in respect of this matter the Scottish FA Board granted an approval, conditional upon further submissions from Mr King in respect of documented agreements with the appropriate authorities in South Africa.’

In contrast Murray was passed by the PGB, a statement last month confirming: ‘The Scottish FA can confirm at a meeting of the Professional Game Board (PGB) on Thursday, 30th April, consideration was given to the fit and proper status of Mr Paul Murray as a director of Rangers Football Club.

‘Having considered the documentation provided and taking into account Mr Murray’ s detailed personal submission before it, the PGB is satisfied that Mr Murray is fit and proper in terms of Article 10.2.’

There is no suggestion of wrongdoing on the part of Rangers or Dave King.

How do Rangers fans feel about the SFA breaking their own rules to put another crook at the helm at Ibrox?

You all cried your little eyes out and blamed the SFA for clearing Whyte. Will you now march on the steps of Hampden in your tens to protect the club currently calling itself Rangers?

[shull]

How did your prediction go today ya F*ckin mug, changed your pish stained breeks this week ??

HAVING A CNUT OF A JOURNEY

[Monkey Tennis]

I think you've not shown dependency and you think that you have. I guess we'll have to park this one as we've done on the 'P&B Bears' aren't representative discussion.

No hard lines and it's always a pleasure to banter with you.

Indeed. I've particularly enjoyed this latest exchange.

For the record, I'm quite clear that there needn't be dependency and I've made no attempt to establish that there is any or that you ever claimed there was.

What has been established however, is that you have linked the elements as part of your relationship with the club, an assertion I'd made and been challenged upon.

Happy to leave it at that.

[kiddy]

Is anyone keeping a track of how much Sevco owe in loans & to whom?

[weirdcal]

Is anyone keeping a track of how much Sevco owe in loans & to whom?

Is this the club, the company or the company that runs the company?

The boards all seem to intermingle them as the same thing for some reason

[Doink]

Yesterday it was McCoist. Today it is Murray. Who will Dave be targeting next in the big deflection

[bennett]

'WORLD football's ruling body has entered the heated debate over Rangers' status after liquidation by indicating they accept it is not a new club.

In promotional material from FIFA ( Federation Internationale de Football Association) headquarters to promote its weekly magazine, they state: "After their enforced relegation in 2012, Glasgow Rangers are in the hunt for promotion back to Scotland's top flight.". They have received hundreds of complaints from angry Celtic fans and one Kilmarnock fan citing that " Phil has the proof."

A group of Celtic fans caused controversy when they paid for an advert in a newspaper saying Rangers are a new club.

The advert was a lengthy statement which claims Rangers became a new club following liquidation in 2012.

Those Celtic fans who feel Rangers are a new club, have objected to any commentary that indicates that if successful in the Scottish Championship play-offs, that they will "return" to the top flight.

Rangers Football Club plc, the former operating company, went into administration in February, 2012, after a £9 million PAYE and VAT debt was amassed to the taxman under Craig Whyte's leadership. The oldco renamed RFC 2012 plc is now being liquidated.

The Celtic fans ad said the term The Old Firm was now redundant "following the liquidation of Rangers (1872)" and stated the new club came into being in 2012.

Many diehards will only refer to Rangers as Sevco, the name given to the Charles Green-headed consortium that bought the liquidated assets with a £5.5 million loan in 2012.

In December SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster insisted Rangers are the same club which existed before liquidation.

He said: "In terms of the question about old club, new club, that was settled very much by the Lord Nimmo Smith commission that was put together by the SPL to look at EBT payments at that time.

"The decision, very clearly from the commission, was that the club is the same, the club continues, albeit it is owned by a new company, but the club is the same.

"It's the same club, absolutely.

"The member club is the entity that participates in our league and we have 42 member clubs."

That commission's decision referred to "the board of directors of Oldco as a company, as distinct from the football management or players of Rangers FC as a club..."

The Advertising Standards Authority in December, 2013, in considering challenges to Rangers' claims as "Scotland's most successful club", supported the view that continuity of history continued.

It has emerged that UEFA confirmed to the ASA that its rules allowed for the recognition of the "sporting continuity" of a club's match record, even if that club's corporate structure had changed.

The European Club Association, the sole independent body recognised by UEFA and FIFA as representing clubs at European level confirmed Rangers remain as members of the organisation in December, 2012 after the transfer of ownership.

In June, 2012, Lord Glennie in considering a decision to uphold a transfer embargo on Rangers referred to "Rangers Football Club plc, a company presently in administration.. .that presently operates Rangers Football Club."'

[kildog]

'WORLD football's ruling body has entered the heated debate over Rangers' status after liquidation by indicating they accept it is not a new club.

In promotional material from FIFA ( Federation Internationale de Football Association) headquarters to promote its weekly magazine, they state: "After their enforced relegation in 2012, Glasgow Rangers are in the hunt for promotion back to Scotland's top flight.". They have received hundreds of complaints from angry Celtic fans and one Kilmarnock fan citing that " Phil has the proof."

A group of Celtic fans caused controversy when they paid for an advert in a newspaper saying Rangers are a new club.

The advert was a lengthy statement which claims Rangers became a new club following liquidation in 2012.

Those Celtic fans who feel Rangers are a new club, have objected to any commentary that indicates that if successful in the Scottish Championship play-offs, that they will "return" to the top flight.

Rangers Football Club plc, the former operating company, went into administration in February, 2012, after a £9 million PAYE and VAT debt was amassed to the taxman under Craig Whyte's leadership. The oldco renamed RFC 2012 plc is now being liquidated.

The Celtic fans ad said the term The Old Firm was now redundant "following the liquidation of Rangers (1872)" and stated the new club came into being in 2012.

Many diehards will only refer to Rangers as Sevco, the name given to the Charles Green-headed consortium that bought the liquidated assets with a £5.5 million loan in 2012.

In December SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster insisted Rangers are the same club which existed before liquidation.

He said: "In terms of the question about old club, new club, that was settled very much by the Lord Nimmo Smith commission that was put together by the SPL to look at EBT payments at that time.

"The decision, very clearly from the commission, was that the club is the same, the club continues, albeit it is owned by a new company, but the club is the same.

"It's the same club, absolutely.

"The member club is the entity that participates in our league and we have 42 member clubs."

That commission's decision referred to "the board of directors of Oldco as a company, as distinct from the football management or players of Rangers FC as a club..."

The Advertising Standards Authority in December, 2013, in considering challenges to Rangers' claims as "Scotland's most successful club", supported the view that continuity of history continued.

It has emerged that UEFA confirmed to the ASA that its rules allowed for the recognition of the "sporting continuity" of a club's match record, even if that club's corporate structure had changed.

The European Club Association, the sole independent body recognised by UEFA and FIFA as representing clubs at European level confirmed Rangers remain as members of the organisation in December, 2012 after the transfer of ownership.

In June, 2012, Lord Glennie in considering a decision to uphold a transfer embargo on Rangers referred to "Rangers Football Club plc, a company presently in administration.. .that presently operates Rangers Football Club."'

[shull]

The Newcunto F. C.

Lol

[forever_blue]

'WORLD football's ruling body has entered the heated debate over Rangers' status after liquidation by indicating they accept it is not a new club.

In promotional material from FIFA ( Federation Internationale de Football Association) headquarters to promote its weekly magazine, they state: "After their enforced relegation in 2012, Glasgow Rangers are in the hunt for promotion back to Scotland's top flight.". They have received hundreds of complaints from angry Celtic fans and one Kilmarnock fan citing that " Phil has the proof."

A group of Celtic fans caused controversy when they paid for an advert in a newspaper saying Rangers are a new club.

The advert was a lengthy statement which claims Rangers became a new club following liquidation in 2012.

Those Celtic fans who feel Rangers are a new club, have objected to any commentary that indicates that if successful in the Scottish Championship play-offs, that they will "return" to the top flight.

Rangers Football Club plc, the former operating company, went into administration in February, 2012, after a £9 million PAYE and VAT debt was amassed to the taxman under Craig Whyte's leadership. The oldco renamed RFC 2012 plc is now being liquidated.

The Celtic fans ad said the term The Old Firm was now redundant "following the liquidation of Rangers (1872)" and stated the new club came into being in 2012.

Many diehards will only refer to Rangers as Sevco, the name given to the Charles Green-headed consortium that bought the liquidated assets with a £5.5 million loan in 2012.

In December SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster insisted Rangers are the same club which existed before liquidation.

He said: "In terms of the question about old club, new club, that was settled very much by the Lord Nimmo Smith commission that was put together by the SPL to look at EBT payments at that time.

"The decision, very clearly from the commission, was that the club is the same, the club continues, albeit it is owned by a new company, but the club is the same.

"It's the same club, absolutely.

"The member club is the entity that participates in our league and we have 42 member clubs."

That commission's decision referred to "the board of directors of Oldco as a company, as distinct from the football management or players of Rangers FC as a club..."

The Advertising Standards Authority in December, 2013, in considering challenges to Rangers' claims as "Scotland's most successful club", supported the view that continuity of history continued.

It has emerged that UEFA confirmed to the ASA that its rules allowed for the recognition of the "sporting continuity" of a club's match record, even if that club's corporate structure had changed.

The European Club Association, the sole independent body recognised by UEFA and FIFA as representing clubs at European level confirmed Rangers remain as members of the organisation in December, 2012 after the transfer of ownership.

In June, 2012, Lord Glennie in considering a decision to uphold a transfer embargo on Rangers referred to "Rangers Football Club plc, a company presently in administration.. .that presently operates Rangers Football Club."'

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[Monkey Tennis]

Don, sorry. I had a few folk to reply to. I wasn't avoiding your point.

Yes I said, "Lanarkshire/Glasgow Protestants should pay their dues.The fact that we didn't is to our shame."

I don't see anything to justify here. I actually expect more from the from Protestant Rangers fans than we delivered..

I also expect that The Protestant countries of Northern Europe.deliver honesty and civil order.

I know this isn't a popular P&B view but but I hope we Protestants do the decent thing.

Ok, last one.

I promise.

[bennett]

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The tears will be in full flow chez Philip.....

[THE KING]

Here is the ONLY statement FIFA have made about Rangers...

...Rangers go under

14 June

Rangers’ perilous financial position had been an open secret but there was still shock when, after 140 years of history and a world record 54 league titles, the club was consigned to liquidation in mid-June. The Glasgow giants were subsequently reformed as a new company and granted entry to the Third Division, Scotland’s fourth tier, which they currently lead by nine points with a game in hand.

[bennett]

Denial is a big river in Egypt according to kingy lol

[Sting777]

'WORLD football's ruling body has entered the heated debate over Rangers' status after liquidation by indicating they accept it is not a new club.

In promotional material from FIFA ( Federation Internationale de Football Association) headquarters to promote its weekly magazine, they state: "After their enforced relegation in 2012, Glasgow Rangers are in the hunt for promotion back to Scotland's top flight.". They have received hundreds of complaints from angry Celtic fans and one Kilmarnock fan citing that " Phil has the proof."

A group of Celtic fans caused controversy when they paid for an advert in a newspaper saying Rangers are a new club.

The advert was a lengthy statement which claims Rangers became a new club following liquidation in 2012.

Those Celtic fans who feel Rangers are a new club, have objected to any commentary that indicates that if successful in the Scottish Championship play-offs, that they will "return" to the top flight.

Rangers Football Club plc, the former operating company, went into administration in February, 2012, after a £9 million PAYE and VAT debt was amassed to the taxman under Craig Whyte's leadership. The oldco renamed RFC 2012 plc is now being liquidated.

The Celtic fans ad said the term The Old Firm was now redundant "following the liquidation of Rangers (1872)" and stated the new club came into being in 2012.

Many diehards will only refer to Rangers as Sevco, the name given to the Charles Green-headed consortium that bought the liquidated assets with a £5.5 million loan in 2012.

In December SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster insisted Rangers are the same club which existed before liquidation.

He said: "In terms of the question about old club, new club, that was settled very much by the Lord Nimmo Smith commission that was put together by the SPL to look at EBT payments at that time.

"The decision, very clearly from the commission, was that the club is the same, the club continues, albeit it is owned by a new company, but the club is the same.

"It's the same club, absolutely.

"The member club is the entity that participates in our league and we have 42 member clubs."

That commission's decision referred to "the board of directors of Oldco as a company, as distinct from the football management or players of Rangers FC as a club..."

The Advertising Standards Authority in December, 2013, in considering challenges to Rangers' claims as "Scotland's most successful club", supported the view that continuity of history continued.

It has emerged that UEFA confirmed to the ASA that its rules allowed for the recognition of the "sporting continuity" of a club's match record, even if that club's corporate structure had changed.

The European Club Association, the sole independent body recognised by UEFA and FIFA as representing clubs at European level confirmed Rangers remain as members of the organisation in December, 2012 after the transfer of ownership.

In June, 2012, Lord Glennie in considering a decision to uphold a transfer embargo on Rangers referred to "Rangers Football Club plc, a company presently in administration.. .that presently operates Rangers Football Club."'

Rangers then, Sevco now!!

[THE KING]

Three years on Rangers fans still citing "evidence" of being the same club...says it all.

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The Rory Bremners

You have actually changed your profile pic to the Motherwell badge .... Oh dear