Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[mythstoliveby]

Anyone on here saying "stream of conscience" is mildly amusing, but from you, with your levels of pomposity, it is hilarious!

[mythstoliveby]

...so THANKS for that!

[THE KING]

Lest it get lost in the Move On propaganda war, readers should be clear that in June 2011 RFC lied to retain their licence to play in the CL. In 2012 they failed to provide the paperwork to SPL lawyers that should also have been given to the .SFA in 2011. In 2011 the SFA were negligent at best, complicit at worst. But get this. In 2014 SFA were asked if they had had sight of the wee tax case bill in 2011 to which they said there were no papers in SFA files and more than a year later they have a) stonewalled on confirming the above which is what enquirers were told in 2014 ie no bill submitted, but more seriously have failed as far as is known to raise the issue with Andrew Dickson the RFC/TRFC man who was at RFC in 2011 and sat on 3 out of 4 Liicencing Committee meetings that year and at TRFC in 2012, to find out why the same information kept from SPL lawyers in 2012 was kept from SFA in 2011. Do the SFA realise that since 2014 they may be covering up a fraud they were part of in 2011 and is that why they continue to stonewall on answering a letter put to them by Celtic shareholders? Move on? Not until the guilty are named or a valid explanation given for SFA inaction. - See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/spending-like-the-borgias-time-to-move-on-conspiracy-to-subvert-the-rules-we-have-a-problem/comment-page-22/#comment-2718826

Edited November 14, 2015 by THE KING

[johnnyc13]

Not going well for you, Mythy.

[strichener]

Wankerishly quoting my own post. Fair enough but wankers in glass houses and all that.

So Wankerish are you that I am not even allowed to post the complete collection from the last week.

I posted a link to the full judgment. I'll do it again: http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=8213f5a6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7

I may have missed 'illegally' so you quoting it would be helpful.



So what part of "the SPL accepted that decision as it stood, without regard to any possible appeal by HMRC" makes my point wrong?

I posted a link to the full judgment. I'll do it again: http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=8213f5a6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7

I may have missed 'illegally' so you quoting it would be helpful.

The SPL knew it was under appeal (to the UTT) and asked for a judgment irrespective of the outcome of the appeal.

So what part of "the SPL accepted that decision as it stood, without regard to any possible appeal by HMRC" makes my point wrong?

Sure. Rangers' EBT scheme was well known and openly declared. Its role was to reduce its beneficiaries' tax liability rather than evade taxation. This is why it was perfectly legal, open and honest.

Did the CoS rule it was anything other than "legal, open and honest."?

Edited November 14, 2015 by strichener

[The_Kincardine]

Lest it get lost in the Move On propaganda war, readers should be clear that in June 2011 RFC lied to retain their licence to play in the CL. In 2012 they failed to provide the paperwork to SPL lawyers that should also have been given to the .SFA in 2011. In 2011 the SFA were negligent at best, complicit at worst. But get this. In 2014 SFA were asked if they had had sight of the wee tax case bill in 2011 to which they said there were no papers in SFA files and more than a year later they have a) stonewalled on confirming the above which is what enquirers were told in 2014 ie no bill submitted, but more seriously have failed as far as is known to raise the issue with Andrew Dickson the RFC/TRFC man who was at RFC in 2011 and sat on 3 out of 4 Liicencing Committee meetings that year and at TRFC in 2012, to find out why the same information kept from SPL lawyers in 2012 was kept from SFA in 2011. Do the SFA realise that since 2014 they may be covering up a fraud they were part of in 2011 and is that why they continue to stonewall on answering a letter put to them by Celtic shareholders? Move on? Not until the guilty are named or a valid explanation given for SFA inaction. - See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/spending-like-the-borgias-time-to-move-on-conspiracy-to-subvert-the-rules-we-have-a-problem/comment-page-22/#comment-2718826

Jesus f**k. Another malodorous mhink posting stream of consience dross which he hasn't read.

Edited November 14, 2015 by The_Kincardine

[Kneal Down Caster]

Wouldn't surprise me if there is an end game for Agent Ashley to expose the SFA and clear the decks. 1000 pound fine could have "stirred up the hornets nest"

As much as everyone in the media are portraying they are bored. I think this is just the beginning. !!

[williemillersmoustache]

Jesus f**k. Another malodorous mhink posting stream of conscious dross which he hasn't read.

Coincidence? I think not The_Tibbs

[strichener]

Patently not blatantly. Sorry, I know I am as irritating pulling someone on this as much as the misuse of the phrase irritates me.

I think my use is perfectly acceptable.

[johnnyc13]

Gough has a wee bleat about some fantasies that never happened in the Sun

Gough: When will the Rangers witch hunt end?

Spoiler: click to toggle

CELTIC won the former Scottish Premier League in season 1997/98.

It was a historic triumph given that it stopped Rangers winning a record ten-in-a-row.

Looking back, it was one of my biggest career disappointments.


I’d love to have that tenth league medal in my possession, having made history as Rangers captain.

But here’s a scenario for you. Can you imagine if it emerged in later years that Henrik Larsson had an EBT during that season?

If it turned out the Swede — Celtic’s key player in that title triumph — was paid via a scheme that’s now infamous in Scottish football.

Following the logic of the real-life never-ending EBT row, I’d be due a league winner’s medal.

For me and all the rest of my Rangers team-mates, ten-in-a-row would suddenly be a reality.

You’d think I’d be delighted to see my name written into the history books, right?

Wrong. I would have no interest in that medal. I would have no interest in seeing Celtic stripped of that historic title.

That is the honest truth. It would mean nothing to me.

It wouldn’t matter if Wim Jansen’s entire Celtic squad had EBTs, they won it fair and square on the pitch.

And that’s the reason I can’t get my head around the continued clamour to rip titles away from Rangers.

I can’t speak for directors of Celtic and other SPL clubs between the years of 2001 and 2010.

I don’t know what is being said behind closed doors or what went on at the SPFL conference call after HMRC recently won their Big Tax Case appeal.

Celtic fans are up in arms but that’s Scotland for you. I’m sure if Larsson did have an EBT, a lot of Rangers supporters would have strong views.

But as a football man, I value and respect the opinion of my peers.

It’s been fascinating reading the comments of Celtic legends like Martin O’Neill, John Hartson, Chris Sutton and Paul Lambert this week.

To a man they have zero interest in the idea of Rangers being stripped of titles. They look back at 2003 and 2005 and believe they were beaten on he pitch — not in contract talks.

The fact Celtic couldn’t beat Motherwell at Fir Park in O’Neill’s last league game had nothing to do with Rangers players’ having EBTs.

In fact, barring Darren O’Dea, who played a handful of games for Celtic, no other ex-player has called for Gers to be stripped of titles.

Surely that speaks volumes. Are all the Celtic fans going to turn on them for holding that view?

Do they just ignore O’Neill — one of their greatest managers — and dismiss what he says?

What’s to be gained from dredging all this up again? Why are people so hell-bent on attacking Rangers?

I’ve been involved with Scottish football since the early 1980s and never seen hatred like this before.

Are supporters of other clubs not content with the punishment Rangers have already had?

Last time I looked, my old club had been out of the top flight for almost four years. They haven’t competed in Europe since 2012.

There has been an administration and liquidation of the oldco, with a squad full of international players walking away for nothing.

There have been fines, a transfer embargo and all manner of on-field humiliations.

Rangers are now on their fourth manager in that period and still have a long way to go before challenging Celtic again.

Off the field, the heart and soul has been ripped out of the club as well-known businessmen lined up to take advantage.

Oh, and an impending court case might end up proving that the club was the victim of a major fraud during a takeover.

That’s quite a list of punishments. The club has been dragged through the gutter over the last few years.

But still fans of other clubs aren’t happy. Still they want to point to a tax scheme that gave fortunes to the likes of Tero Penttila and demand titles are stripped.

Really? Do they hate Rangers that much? Will they ever tire of trying to harm the club?

I look at Hearts and sympathy that directed towards them after Vladimir Romanov disappeared and they went into administration.

Rangers’ treatment was the opposite. If anything, the abuse increased following the Craig Whyte and Charles Green years.

It’s no wonder some fans think Rangers would be better off packing up and going elsewhere.

I’m proud of the club’s Scottish roots and the day will come when they’re the best in the country again.

But when you see the hatred directed towards Rangers, right now the thought of a return to the top flight holds little appeal.

‘No one likes us’ the fans sing. That line has never been more apt.

[williemillersmoustache]

Getting beaten on the pitch and having x4 managers is a punishment now apparently.

[Gaz FFC]

So what Gough is saying here and I think it's important we educate kids at school with this is that it's ok to cheat just as long as nobody finds out for years and wants the medals retrospectively.

He really is focusing on the prizes rather than the morality.

[BinoBalls]

Such a long article yet zero substance. I think Gough needs to look up the definition of the word "punishment".

It must never be ok to gain a sporting advantage by not paying enough tax. And the fact Rangers were liquidated has no relevance whatsoever.

[dave.j]

They can't get enough of being ridiculed!

It's like they're queuing up to keep the laughs coming.

That's quite a list of punishments? Fucks the idiot talking about?

[jim999]

Gough starts his article with a silly hypothetical scenario. "Imagine if Henrick had an EBT" How about imagining Rangers didn't use EBT's? Just imagine that Richard? Just think that some of those players that won titles might not have even bothered signing for Rangers if they were to be paid less. Try, for a moment to imagine that.

In quieter moments I sometimes imagine Ronaldo and Messi playing for Aberdeen. Nice thought but gets me nowhere.

Bugs me that he puts hatred as a reason for anybody wanting tainted trophies removed. Can he not understand that fans feel they were paying to watch a bent game?

Anyone commenting now that's in any way connected to Rangers are now cranking up the pressure on the other clubs in the hope they stay silent.

It's going to take some very brave men to do the right thing. Doubt it'll happen though.

[Ned Nederlander]

all manner of on-field humiliations.

So getting beat is a punishment now - how many 'punishments' did Rangers dish out during the time they weren't paying proper taxes ?

[stonedsailor]

It's going to take some very brave men to do the right thing. Doubt it'll happen though.

Maybe we should take Bennett's advice and contact our clubs and the SPFL, SFA, perhaps even UEFA like true Internet bampots.

[THE KING]

Armstrong didn't win every title during his cheating years, ergo not a cheat....Rangers fans.

[Insaintee]

Richard Gough...

...Sevco's moral compass

[THE KING]

Richard , imagine Henrick was weighing up an an offer to move and Celtic said here's a million quid tax free "loan" you don't have to pay back .