saint jason Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Since when was Jim "Voice of Reason" Traynor a fan of Tom Waits? That most certainly does not compute. However, it's a theme we could run with. Have they ever met? Are they related? I think we should be told. Incredibly, he is. Saw him at the Edinburgh Palyhouse at the Glitter and Doom gigs. Also, he plays The Heart Of Saturday Night as his outro on his, ahem, 'phone in' show on Radio Scotland. The show he USED to host on Radio Scotland. Mind you David Cameron likes The Smiths, and he's a massive bellend too... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPC Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 A 'new Rangers' - rising from the disgraced ashes of the oldco, actually 'facing their dangers' and working their way up - is a genuinely interesting story! Christ, if Mileson's Llama FC were worthy of a TV documentary - a newco Rangers story would be well worthy of press column inches, TV documentary, and maybe even Sky would cut a deal to show some of their games? 'Scottish football will die' - I actually think it would be more interesting. Mind you, what do I know, I'm just a muppet fan of a diddy team with a hyper-active keyboard gland. If the demise of some established top-flight clubs in England(Sheffield Wednesday and United, Nottingham Forest)is anything to go by they'll dissapear off the front and back pages soon enough. you have to go looking for stories involving these teams. the only exception would be Leeds United. Hibs i remember got a bit of coverage but not that much. The Record, like its fellow Tabloids, will always go with the team who's winning... so it will be Celtic, Hearts, Dundee Utd, Motherwell etc... and the SFL tucked at the back of the paper. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustyarabnuts Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 This weekend has produced Three nominations for the scottish football hall of fame For common sense and financial nous; George Adams (Ross county) For no nonsense club statements; The Chair and board of Clyde FC top award and gold stars for no nonsense, straight to the point,Girfuy sevco and for best interview on Radio----- Sir Turnbill Hutton , Lord of Raith,baron of Kirkcaldy etc etc footnote the following have been found guilty of schoolboy journalism and therefore sentenced to 10 years as fencing corresponants for the Faroe Island express ; James"last weeks exclusive" Traytor Hugh "keech "Keevins 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montague Withnail Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) Traynor's rant sounded very familiar. Sure I've heard it before.... Edited July 2, 2012 by Montague Withnail 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 It was a misprint. It's actually Arsenal fan and former Easternders heartthrob Tom Watt that Jim is an admirer of. Yes. That would make sense. Lofty indeed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I bumped into Traynor outside the Etihad Stadium after the recent (stunningly good) Springsteen gig there - so he can't be all bad. Also sat two rows behind Spiers at the Elvis Costello gig in Glasgow a couple of months back. Seemingly good taste in music - pish poor when Sevco8055 are the subject though. I hate to defend them - but would you not lie your arse off too if your job depended on it? I need to state definitively that this in no way excuses their c*ntishness, just gives an insight as to the reason! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ankles Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Daily Record hints that the world could end on the 4th of July .Don't see anything about an SPL vote in the Book of Revelations Traynor, your a fat w**k . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beermonkey Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I can just picture traynor weeping uncontrolably as he typed that pish on his wee tear stained keyboard, sitting in his y-fronts and dressing gown hanging opened, curtains shut & the light off, bottle of whisky and a bottle of sleeping tablets beside him. it's a good picture. :lol: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owsley Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) Re: Roly Poly Traynor. Hi Jim, Some words of comfort. Your one redeeming feature is that you are a big fan of Tom Waits; I use the word 'big' advisedly. However, most of my mates are Tom Waits fans, and they no more about fitba than you ever will. Ultimately, the gravy train has hit the buffers, and we all know how much you like gravy. Consequently, I would respectfully suggest that you hone your writng talent in a different direction in the near future. Who knows, you could be the next Showbiz Sam. Yours in sport, Saint 'diddy' Jason The next Darlinda surely, given how he can obviously see into the future. That won't mean a thing to anyone under 30. Edited July 2, 2012 by Owsley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I bumped into Traynor outside the Etihad Stadium after the recent (stunningly good) Springsteen gig there - so he can't be all bad. Also sat two rows behind Spiers at the Elvis Costello gig in Glasgow a couple of months back. Seemingly good taste in music - pish poor when Sevco8055 are the subject though. Incredibly, he is. Saw him at the Edinburgh Palyhouse at the Glitter and Doom gigs. Also, he plays The Heart Of Saturday Night as his outro on his, ahem, 'phone in' show on Radio Scotland. The show he USED to host on Radio Scotland. Mind you David Cameron likes The Smiths, and he's a massive bellend too... I think Traynor might be right when he says the world is going to end. Good lord. I'm away for a lie down. The things you learn from reading 2500 pages on Pie and Bovril. Significantly more than reading 2500 pages of Traynor's inane shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Denying Rangers Entry Into SPL/SFL 1 Will Give Puppies Cancer and Caused The Banking Crisis! By Jim Tranyor Everybody wants justice and sporting integrity, I'm not saying that there are no people who aren't there who want not to say that they don't. But at what cost? Would you say Rangers haven't been not punished enough if a puppy had lymphoma as result. If this even might be true how could no clubs not possibly vote yes. Maybe. AND it looks like the collapse of our economy 4 years ago will be a direct result of the vote later this week. Surely whatever Rangers have done wrong, and I'm not saying they haven't, can't be worth causing all the financial heartache our country is going through. How do you say to a former employee of woolwotrths a mere game is more important than your livelyhood and I'm not going to do anything to stop myself from doing something that will have made that happen last year. Maybe when you look at the reality of situation you lot will come down from your sunny moral highground and join me in the dingy reality sewer of me about to lose my source of income. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint jason Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Daily Record hints that the world could end on the 4th of July .Don't see anything about an SPL vote in the Book of Revelations Traynor, your a fat w**k . If you’re going to quote from the Book of Revelation Don’t keep calling it the Book of Revelations There’s no “s”, it’s the Book of Revelation As revealed to St John the Divine See also Mary Hopkin She must despair 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mark Connolly Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Daily Record hints that the world could end on the 4th of July .Don't see anything about an SPL vote in the Book of Revelations Traynor, your a fat w**k . "And the Lord sayeth "The H*ns are dead, and for that reason, I'm out" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GorgieYaBass Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Here is Traytor's article in today's Daily Ranger - I have cut and pasted it to avoid boosting their website traffic: If SPL & SFL kick Gers out of football they will kill our game By jim Traytor on Jul 2, 12 07:25 AM THE shape of things to come will be decided by close of play Wednesday. We should know by then if Scottish football has been big enough to edge back from the brink. For months now there has been a savagery. The game has been ripping itself apart all in the name of fair play. Or was it sporting integrity? Forgive me, the reasons for the crisis that threatens to destroy Scottish football have been lost somewhere in the lust to tear and shred one club. It's as though a century of hatred and probably jealousy have erupted. And the handful of reasoned souls left in the game are fighting a losing battle to cap the flow. The trouble is too many men with influence have been working not for the good of the game but to selfish agendas. They've done bad things in the name of morality. They've abused their privileged positions and if there was any decency left in the sleazy, tacky football world they inhabit they would not be allowed inside Hampden this or any other week. The dishonourable posing as protectors of the game's integrity by making up laws and punishments as they go along. By arguing and pressing for more severe punishments and demanding that Rangers newco be stripped of titles and trophies won in the EBT years by another business entirely, they are inflaming and prolonging an agonisingly painful and damaging period. Anyone who believes that stripping the old Rangers of baubles will help solve this meltdown should be ignored, pushed aside because we are way beyond bragging rights. We, Scottish football, are on the brink of total collapse. Those who are consumed by petty matters and the settling of old, ancient scores have made it harder to find the solution, the compromise agreement that's badly needed. One day the truth about the subterfuge, deception, and downright spitefulness used to prolong this saga might be told but right now those who are trying to save what is left of the game need to be given space. And hopefully the right and sensible decisions will be made when the SFL and SPL meet tomorrow and Wednesday respectively. Everything, the game's fate and Rangers' chances of survival never mind revival, depends on these leagues of gentlemen, if of course they do meet tomorrow. The situation is critical yet it seems we have two clubs threatening to block tomorrow's meeting. Stenhousemuir and Alloa have an objection. God help us. Hopefully the meetings will go ahead and if honesty and common sense prevail we might just begin to emerge from the darkness and see clearly who is working for the game and who is working for themselves. We might also notice that in our rabid rush to condemn and stone Rangers we have stumbled to the very precipice of catastrophe. Another misguided step or irrational utterance and Scottish football will be in total free fall so tomorrow the SFL must do one of two things. Either they decide to let Rangers newco - who already know they don't have the support of enough SPL clubs to get the share that would let them begin again at the top - kick off in the First Division or the way is cleared for them to start in the bottom tier. But research has shown the game will lose £16million if Rangers are dumped in the Third Division and frankly that would be too great a loss to an already impoverished business. Supporters, of course, are entitled to be heard but the question is this: Are fans - forget the ones who can't see beyond their own hatred - willing to see what they believe to be justice done no matter the cost or consequences? What if their justice means Scottish football would be reduced to a truly moribund state that would make recovery impossible? What if their idea of fair play meant our game would be forever locked out of the big boys' playground? Morals and integrity are fine but we must all be sure we can cope with the fall out, which would be considerable. Clubs will cut right back on numbers as we're already seeing with Hibernian who have just paid off Pat Fenlon's deputy Billy Brown. Players and wages will be next, although the first real casualty is more likely to be youth development. Mark my words, clubs are already being squeezed by their banks who have seen Lloyds get out with all of their money back from Rangers. The other lenders also want shot of their football clients and they'll be imposing tougher repayment plans on clubs, who will use these demands as excuses to make swingeing cuts on their budgets. If they are asked to reduce spending by £300,000 a year they'll make it £600,000 and blame it all on Rangers. But even by making savage cuts, a number of clubs will still go bust. This will be the true price of sporting integrity. And when the doors are being padlocked let's have no wailing or tears because too many clubs saw Rangers' insolvency as an opportunity to promote their own agendas. Yet what good has that done any of them, apart from allowing them to invade the moral high ground for a short while. Now, though, as they hobble down having broken their toes through kicking Rangers they are suddenly confronted with reality. They have the power to deny this new club any chance of life but they'll be condemning themselves to a miserable, empty future. Without the millions a healthy Rangers and their fans help generate, Scottish football will decline rapidly. All credibility at home and abroad will be lost. If this is what we wish then fine, deny Rangers an SPL share on Wednesday and SFA membership when the Appellate Tribunal sits again to decide a punishment acceptable in the eyes of the real law. If this is what upholding fair play means then let's go for it. Let's take decisions tomorrow and the next day that will chime with whatever our notions of integrity are and kill the game. After all, we can't put a price on justice, especially in football where justice is something to be kicked around without finesse or direction. Of course justice should be about fairness and handing down punishments that reflect the nature of crimes committed. It should always be about observing the law according to the rules and principles written down. But that's the problem with applying justice in a morally bankrupt game. Nothing seems to be written down. If it is there in black and white no one can understand it. The SFL have called in lawyers to make sense of their own articles ahead of tomorrow's meetings and, of course, the SFA spent a couple of years revamping their own codes, leaning heavily on the finest legal minds. Yet, when a transfer ban on Rangers was imposed it was kicked out in Edinburgh's Court of Session. It's a grotesque farce and one club chairman had to remove himself from the entire business yesterday. He had to plod along a west-coast beach in the wind and rain to try and clear his head. The game is pulling itself apart because some want to settle old scores with Rangers while others strive only to make the most of the problems and strengthen their own positions. Okay, but what's the point in being powerful within a game that will soon have no real significance beyond its own boundaries? But here are a few questions those 'just' men should ask themselves as they file into their meeting rooms on Hampden's sixth floor over the next couple of days: Is losing all credibility, standing in the game, SFA licence, SPL share and being treated with the utmost contempt not punishment enough? No? Then ask yourselves this: Is going out of business, struggling to emerge as a newco without fan support and being banned from playing in Europe for three years and being branded pariahs not punishment enough? If the answer is still no then there is no justice. And there is no hope. The game, and not just Rangers, will be doomed. Reads like a "this is my one final try to convince the world" type article. He wont be passing comment again before the vote. And after the vote, it won't matter worth a f**k what he has to say. Nice parting shot James....but ultimately, it will count for f**k all. f**k the weegie press. f**k SevcoFC ...and just while I'm at it.....f**k Celtic. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinoBalls Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 What is annoying about Traynor is that you know he will be just aching for a few clubs to go into Admin in the coming seasons so he can crow about it on the radio. "Many of us warned this was going to happen but we were told we were being dramatic and that it wouldn't happen.... blah blah blah blah". It brings me immense satisfaction that Sevco to SFL3 will hurt the Daily Record's circulation enormously. Good. I hope Traynor is the first man they fire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adundeemonkey Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 If SPL & SFL kick Gers out of football they will kill our game By jim Traytor on Jul 2, 12 07:25 AM THE shape of things to come will be decided by close of play Wednesday. We should know by then if Scottish football has been big enough to edge back from the brink. For months now there has been a savagery. The game has been ripping itself apart all in the name of fair play. Or was it sporting integrity? Forgive me, the reasons for the crisis that threatens to destroy Scottish football have been lost somewhere in the lust to tear and shred one club. It's as though a century of hatred and probably jealousy have erupted. And the handful of reasoned souls left in the game are fighting a losing battle to cap the flow. The trouble is too many men with influence have been working not for the good of the game but to selfish agendas. They've done bad things in the name of morality. They've abused their privileged positions and if there was any decency left in the sleazy, tacky football world they inhabit they would not be allowed inside Hampden this or any other week. The dishonourable posing as protectors of the game's integrity by making up laws and punishments as they go along. By arguing and pressing for more severe punishments and demanding that Rangers newco be stripped of titles and trophies won in the EBT years by another business entirely, they are inflaming and prolonging an agonisingly painful and damaging period. Anyone who believes that stripping the old Rangers of baubles will help solve this meltdown should be ignored, pushed aside because we are way beyond bragging rights. We, Scottish football, are on the brink of total collapse. Those who are consumed by petty matters and the settling of old, ancient scores have made it harder to find the solution, the compromise agreement that's badly needed. One day the truth about the subterfuge, deception, and downright spitefulness used to prolong this saga might be told but right now those who are trying to save what is left of the game need to be given space. And hopefully the right and sensible decisions will be made when the SFL and SPL meet tomorrow and Wednesday respectively. Everything, the game's fate and Rangers' chances of survival never mind revival, depends on these leagues of gentlemen, if of course they do meet tomorrow. The situation is critical yet it seems we have two clubs threatening to block tomorrow's meeting. Stenhousemuir and Alloa have an objection. God help us. Hopefully the meetings will go ahead and if honesty and common sense prevail we might just begin to emerge from the darkness and see clearly who is working for the game and who is working for themselves. We might also notice that in our rabid rush to condemn and stone Rangers we have stumbled to the very precipice of catastrophe. Another misguided step or irrational utterance and Scottish football will be in total free fall so tomorrow the SFL must do one of two things. Either they decide to let Rangers newco - who already know they don't have the support of enough SPL clubs to get the share that would let them begin again at the top - kick off in the First Division or the way is cleared for them to start in the bottom tier. But research has shown the game will lose £16million if Rangers are dumped in the Third Division and frankly that would be too great a loss to an already impoverished business. Supporters, of course, are entitled to be heard but the question is this: Are fans - forget the ones who can't see beyond their own hatred - willing to see what they believe to be justice done no matter the cost or consequences? What if their justice means Scottish football would be reduced to a truly moribund state that would make recovery impossible? What if their idea of fair play meant our game would be forever locked out of the big boys' playground? Morals and integrity are fine but we must all be sure we can cope with the fall out, which would be considerable. Clubs will cut right back on numbers as we're already seeing with Hibernian who have just paid off Pat Fenlon's deputy Billy Brown. Players and wages will be next, although the first real casualty is more likely to be youth development. Mark my words, clubs are already being squeezed by their banks who have seen Lloyds get out with all of their money back from Rangers. The other lenders also want shot of their football clients and they'll be imposing tougher repayment plans on clubs, who will use these demands as excuses to make swingeing cuts on their budgets. If they are asked to reduce spending by £300,000 a year they'll make it £600,000 and blame it all on Rangers. But even by making savage cuts, a number of clubs will still go bust. This will be the true price of sporting integrity. And when the doors are being padlocked let's have no wailing or tears because too many clubs saw Rangers' insolvency as an opportunity to promote their own agendas. Yet what good has that done any of them, apart from allowing them to invade the moral high ground for a short while. Now, though, as they hobble down having broken their toes through kicking Rangers they are suddenly confronted with reality. They have the power to deny this new club any chance of life but they'll be condemning themselves to a miserable, empty future. Without the millions a healthy Rangers and their fans help generate, Scottish football will decline rapidly. All credibility at home and abroad will be lost. If this is what we wish then fine, deny Rangers an SPL share on Wednesday and SFA membership when the Appellate Tribunal sits again to decide a punishment acceptable in the eyes of the real law. If this is what upholding fair play means then let's go for it. Let's take decisions tomorrow and the next day that will chime with whatever our notions of integrity are and kill the game. After all, we can't put a price on justice, especially in football where justice is something to be kicked around without finesse or direction. Of course justice should be about fairness and handing down punishments that reflect the nature of crimes committed. It should always be about observing the law according to the rules and principles written down. But that's the problem with applying justice in a morally bankrupt game. Nothing seems to be written down. If it is there in black and white no one can understand it. The SFL have called in lawyers to make sense of their own articles ahead of tomorrow's meetings and, of course, the SFA spent a couple of years revamping their own codes, leaning heavily on the finest legal minds. Yet, when a transfer ban on Rangers was imposed it was kicked out in Edinburgh's Court of Session. It's a grotesque farce and one club chairman had to remove himself from the entire business yesterday. He had to plod along a west-coast beach in the wind and rain to try and clear his head. The game is pulling itself apart because some want to settle old scores with Rangers while others strive only to make the most of the problems and strengthen their own positions. Okay, but what's the point in being powerful within a game that will soon have no real significance beyond its own boundaries? But here are a few questions those 'just' men should ask themselves as they file into their meeting rooms on Hampden's sixth floor over the next couple of days: Is losing all credibility, standing in the game, SFA licence, SPL share and being treated with the utmost contempt not punishment enough? No? Then ask yourselves this: Is going out of business, struggling to emerge as a newco without fan support and being banned from playing in Europe for three years and being branded pariahs not punishment enough? If the answer is still no then there is no justice. And there is no hope. The game, and not just Rangers, will be doomed. Jesus h christ, I knew they wanted Sevco 8055 back in but that article truly takes the buscuit. Have they no shame? The BBC can now no longer allow Jim to have a show as he clearly can no longer be trusted to have any balance in debates relating to Sevco 8055? The only thing i got out of this article is that we are close to the end. This is clearly a last ditch attempt to lash out, a clear sign of desperation. The sooner this ends the better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Another signing target missed by Rangers. Carlos Cuellar Won't Be Signing For Rangers - Exclusive! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 Another signing target missed by Rangers. Carlos Cuellar Won't Be Signing For Rangers - Exclusive! Didn't know Sunderland had moved to Adidas kits too. Wonder if their home kit will be any different to Stoke City.... The stuff you learn by coming on here. Anyway.... back to Sevco. Deid' yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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