Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[bennett]

"As I've said before, my upbringing led me to have an anti-rangers stance entrenched before I realised early on that celtic were as bad, leading to equal disdain for both sides. "

And, were I to listen to you and the other Orcs on here, i would be influenced to treat others as inferior. Do read again, Bennett, and pay particular attention to the word "led" and the context it is used in. Perhaps it would have made more sense if I had inserted the word "early" before "upbringing". Let me explain.

Not many of my parents' generation (wwII service age in both cases) were enlightened atheists or agnostics. Fortunately, being born (youngest of five) in the 60's, by the time I hit my teens I was already questioning a lot of stuff about society in general, and my older siblings were further down the "rebellion" path than me. One thing I'll say for my parents, when I asked sensible questions, they would talk about this stuff, and listen as well. I stopped attending mass at the age of 11, with the consent of both my parents. No pressure. Now I've got:

Mother: regular churchgoer.

Two sisters: Both regular churchgoers. One also gay, which I find a bit hypocritical, but there you go. Not by my standards, but by the church's, BTW.

One brother: Non-churchgoer, married to a very devout Italian lady.

Father and One sister RIP.

Still, takes all sorts, eh?

Sounds like a Killie version of the Boswells (thats a joke meant in a lighthearted way). I know what you mean, times move on and things change. I've never really saw bigotry as that much of an issue with myself, family or friends though like most people in the WOS i never really knew that many catholics or celtic fans until i started work (the opposite being true for Catholics/Celtic fans i suppose) and got to know more people.

People are people no matter who they support or what they believe in some are ok/decent and others are aresholes. Thats life, always has been and always will be.

A mans a man for aw that.

[bennett]

And after all that fails?

Yes, we cheated. <-------- (aye right).

The hell we did.

[LordHawHaw]

er, no, the people who suffered the most were fans of non Old Firm clubs

They don't have a club capt..I'd rather watch Celtic in the juniors than see them die and a tribute act run by spivs and chancers tickle the bellies of their huge support to make a quick buck

[WhiteRoseKillie]

I've already told what i think will happen and thats all i can do. For what it's worth i don;t think we cheated and i have little faith in the SPL's choice of impartial lawyers, so as i said previuosly appeal then go through the courts.

Allow me to catch you while you're actually on topic, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong.

HMRC have already assessed rangers as owing millions of pounds of tax, and this figure was arrived at by the First Tier Tribunal. It is this decision that is currently under appeal.

To draw a parallel, most convicted criminals, on receiving a long sentence, will launch an appeal, either against conviction, length of sentence, or both. While those appeals are in process, they remain guilty in the eyes of the law, and will, if appropriate, remain in prison throughout the appeals process.

If we look at these two situations, then it is clear to me, at least, that rangers are, at the moment, guilty pending appeal. We'll just have to wait until the results of the appeal which has already been underway for months to reach a final conclusion.

In the red corner: The people that make the rules.

In the blue corner: A poor hard-done-by football club that only followed advice from a financial wizard/porn star, and followed it incorrectly to boot.

This, by the way, has nothing to do with the moral aspects of their cheating in the SPL and in Europe. It is to do with them cheating and stealing from the Crown, i.e. all of us.

[bennett]

Allow me to catch you while you're actually on topic, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong.

HMRC have already assessed rangers as owing millions of pounds of tax, and this figure was arrived at by the First Tier Tribunal. It is this decision that is currently under appeal.

To draw a parallel, most convicted criminals, on receiving a long sentence, will launch an appeal, either against conviction, length of sentence, or both. While those appeals are in process, they remain guilty in the eyes of the law, and will, if appropriate, remain in prison throughout the appeals process.

If we look at these two situations, then it is clear to me, at least, that rangers are, at the moment, guilty pending appeal. We'll just have to wait until the results of the appeal which has already been underway for months to reach a final conclusion.

In the red corner: The people that make the rules.

In the blue corner: A poor hard-done-by football club that only followed advice from a financial wizard/porn star, and followed it incorrectly to boot.

This, by the way, has nothing to do with the moral aspects of their cheating in the SPL and in Europe. It is to do with them cheating and stealing from the Crown, i.e. all of us.

Actually you've just went off topic as were talking about the SPL hearing.

Anyway as to your point, HMRC say we owe them such and such amount, Rangers say no we don't as we used a perfectly legal loophole. Now we wait on the tax tribunal to get a move on.

As a non Celtic fan i'm not an expert on tax law so i'll leave the ins and outs to others to discuss.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Sounds like a Killie version of the Boswells (thats a joke meant in a lighthearted way). I know what you mean, times move on and things change. I've never really saw bigotry as that much of an issue with myself, family or friends though like most people in the WOS i never really knew that many catholics or celtic fans until i started work (the opposite being true for Catholics/Celtic fans i suppose) and got to know more people.

People are people no matter who they support or what they believe in some are ok/decent and others are aresholes. Thats life, always has been and always will be.

A mans a man for aw that.

Never saw the inside of a dole office in Scotland, ya cheeky cont!

And thanks for what is almost an acknowledgment of what you have had such a problem with.... Just because I'm not one of these, does't make me one of them.

As for the WoS, those of my friends down here who come from the area are united with me in referring to the area as Belfast Lite. Maybe it takes time away, and experience of a different milieu, to see the problem more clearly.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Actually you've just went off topic as were talking about the SPL hearing.

Anyway as to your point, HMRC say we owe them such and such amount, Rangers say no we don't as we used a perfectly legal loophole. Now we wait on the tax tribunal to get a move on.

As a non Celtic fan i'm not an expert on tax law so i'll leave the ins and outs to others to discuss.

Nah, we're talking about cheating. It's just that rangers weren't just cheating in one way.

The tax tribunal has delivered a decision, I believe, and it's the result of the appeal we're awaiting. The submission in the liquidation petition of 94 million is pretty telling, though, surely?

And why would celtic fans be experts in tax law? Just stop the petty squabble. It's over, there's three divisions between you. move on.

[thenolly]

Official Statement from Ibrox

The Board of The Rangers Football Club has issued the following statement today:

It reads: "The Board wishes to express its dismay over articles in The Times newspaper today which implies the Club is "in fresh trouble" with HM Revenue and Customs in relation to an investor in the Club.

How many times has your board said that things were untrue, in the bag etc and turned out to be the other way. No smoke without fire as they say, I think this has a long way still to run

[Bearwithme]

Nah, we're talking about cheating. It's just that rangers weren't just cheating in one way.

The tax tribunal has delivered a decision, I believe, and it's the result of the appeal we're awaiting. The submission in the liquidation petition of 94 million is pretty telling, though, surely?

And why would celtic fans be experts in tax law? Just stop the petty squabble. It's over, there's three divisions between you. move on.

We are awaiting the result of an appeal but it's an appeal against a tax bill, not an appeal against a previous tribunal decision.

[bennett]

Nah, we're talking about cheating. It's just that rangers weren't just cheating in one way.

The tax tribunal has delivered a decision, I believe, and it's the result of the appeal we're awaiting. The submission in the liquidation petition of 94 million is pretty telling, though, surely?

And why would celtic fans be experts in tax law? Just stop the petty squabble. It's over, there's three divisions between you. move on.

The tribunal has yet to publish it's verdict. As for Celtic fans being tax experts, that was a bit tongue in cheek but still justified imo.

[mylothedog]

Sounds like a Killie version of the Boswells (thats a joke meant in a lighthearted way). I know what you mean, times move on and things change. I've never really saw bigotry as that much of an issue with myself, family or friends though like most people in the WOS i never really knew that many catholics or celtic fans until i started work (the opposite being true for Catholics/Celtic fans i suppose) and got to know more people.

People are people no matter who they support or what they believe in some are ok/decent and others are aresholes. Thats life, always has been and always will be.

A mans a man for aw that.

Seriously? No wonder you are totally flawed.What a terrible biased start to life you had. You seriously think 'most' people dont know many people from other faiths,or fans of other footbal lteams? Surely you,re at the wind-up?Or from Larkhall?

[bennett]

Seriously? No wonder you are totally flawed.What a terrible biased start to life you had. You seriously think 'most' people dont know many people from other faiths,or fans of other footbal lteams? Surely you,re at the wind-up?Or from Larkhall?

No but i'd say you are.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

The tribunal has yet to publish it's verdict. As for Celtic fans being tax experts, that was a bit tongue in cheek but still justified imo.

So how can there be an appeal? HMRC, who make the rules, said "we want this much". Oldco said "no, we reckon we've stayed within the rules", and are appealing. It's a different procedure to criminal or civil actions.

As for the celtic bit - you're bringing them up for no fucking reason again! Most of the more informed posters on this thread have had affiliation to neither side of the arse, and we both know it. Eternal pointscoring and whataboutery does nothing but weaken your arguments.

[bennett]

So how can there be an appeal? HMRC, who make the rules, said "we want this much". Oldco said "no, we reckon we've stayed within the rules", and are appealing. It's a different procedure to criminal or civil actions.

As for the celtic bit - you're bringing them up for no fucking reason again! Most of the more informed posters on this thread have had affiliation to neither side of the arse, and we both know it. Eternal pointscoring and whataboutery does nothing but weaken your arguments.

It was a joke Norm, you know one of those light hearted things that normal people do? Most Celtic fans and websites do consider themselve experts in all things tax related.

I've already explained, HMRC say we owe a certain amount - Rangers dispute this amount and it goes to a tribunal.

[stonedsailor]

It was a joke Norm, you know one of those light hearted things that normal people do? Most Celtic fans and websites do consider themselve experts in all things tax related.

I've already explained, HMRC say we owe a certain amount - Rangers dispute this amount and it goes to a tribunal.

Still losing the plot I see Benny.

[stonedsailor]

You tell me mystic meg?

Lets just say we are found guilty, i'd say there could be two formatts -- deliberately cheating or sheer incompetence/clerical errors. I'd have to wait and see what the ins and out's of the hearing say as there's so many different outcomes.

I've a feeling that the SPL will go for a hefty fine and we'll appeal to the SFA, then go through the courts.

On grounds would they have for going to court? Did Sevco not agree to the SFA being the final route of appeal in this matter as part of the 5 way agreement?

[Bendarroch]

Victim of what, exactly?

Sectarian gangsters who kicked you around for fun - according to you.

Oh, and a 'best man' who had cold feet when he realised you were intent on marrying into some weird religious cult.

And a monumentally misplaced sense of entitlement.

[Bendarroch]

personally I'd say he was reponding to the Orc muppets commonly known as the Three Stooges .. Amigos. Two of of which are nasty pieces of vermin no matter how they try to disguise it. The other is just an illiterate fool.

Wonder who they are .. sorry no prizes for guessing as I'd go bankrupt like the Old Rangers club ,..

Is that it? The complete sum of those coming forward to defend the Killie liar amounts to a single dhensebhore?

How embarrassing for him - especially after that painful to read green-dot victory speech he was grand-standing with a few posts back.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Sectarian gangsters who kicked you around for fun - according to you.(1)

Oh, and a 'best man' who had cold feet when he realised you were intent on marrying into some weird religious cult.(2)

And a monumentally misplaced sense of entitlement.(3)

1. Sectarian? Yes. Gangsters? Nah, just thugs. Fun? Not for me. Or for all those other posters who have talked about similar experiences.

2. Who was replaced. Surely I was trying to contaminate a good proddy girl with MY weird religious cult? Lost your way a wee bit there. Idiot.

3. Sorry, you're really going to have to explain that one. I recognise the words, but I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

Oh, and your news sources? We're still dying to hear where we can find out the TRUTH that Murdoch and the BBC are hiding from us all.

[Bendarroch]

.... the only way he will go to court is if the RFF stump up the cash to fund the legal costs ...

In the locker for a rainy day - the many witnesses at Hampden to a certain red-faced man screaming his allegiances to the plastics. All the while duty bound to be independent.

That's one court case the RFFF will be very pleased to fund.