Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[Monkey Tennis]

And btw Yeats was a fine poet.

I preferred BTW's brother, WB.

Now there was a poet.

[hellbhoy]

The last time I was even remotely political was a wee chuckle and a high five when the milk snatcher croaked

They seem to forget that everything nowadays is politically motivated and have forgot the "politically correct" brigade were they tell you how to behave at a football game in a politically correct way of course,so saying that politics should stay out of sport is like giving the arseholes who attend sport a free reign in behaving badly .

[Henrik's tongue]

I preferred BTW's brother, WB.

Now there was a poet.

Pam Ayres man maself

[WhiteRoseKillie]

I already gave the gaelic games....sure the red clydesiders met at sports ground and defo white city was in London.....

Chile is as big a shame on Scotland as Berlin to England.

I think you miss the point in the Gaelic thing - sure, the republican movement tried for many years to make political capital out of a sporting apartheid, but if you reckon that Croke Park was full of IRA members and supporters, then that would go some (very small) way to justifying the slaughter. That wasn't the case - the crowd were there to watch a sporting event. Had there been other choices, there would have been other crowds. To watch other sports.

The Red Clydesiders organised across Glasgow, in many public areas - streets, squares, parks etc. I am not aware of any organised meetings at any football ground, but there was a mass protest in George Square in 1919, with reported numbers varying from 90-100,000. A meeting broken up by baton charges, troops and tanks. The old order resisting and oppressing the will of the people - who'd have thought it, eh?

As for Chile - I'm not aware of any link between Pinochet and Scotland, so I fear we may have our wires crossed on that one.

Wee aside - nice to see both cheeks confirming stereotypes over tonight's friendly.

[Jacksgranda]

I think you miss the point in the Gaelic thing - sure, the republican movement tried for many years to make political capital out of a sporting apartheid, but if you reckon that Croke Park was full of IRA members and supporters, then that would go some (very small) way to justifying the slaughter. That wasn't the case - the crowd were there to watch a sporting event. Had there been other choices, there would have been other crowds. To watch other sports.

The Red Clydesiders organised across Glasgow, in many public areas - streets, squares, parks etc. I am not aware of any organised meetings at any football ground, but there was a mass protest in George Square in 1919, with reported numbers varying from 90-100,000. A meeting broken up by baton charges, troops and tanks. The old order resisting and oppressing the will of the people - who'd have thought it, eh?

As for Chile - I'm not aware of any link between Pinochet and Scotland, so I fear we may have our wires crossed on that one.

Wee aside - nice to see both cheeks confirming stereotypes over tonight's friendly.

Did Scotland not play a friendly in Chile in the stadium where the massacre took place? 1978 World Cup preparations??

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Did Scotland not play a friendly in Chile in the stadium where the massacre took place? 1978 World Cup preparations??

Yes, they did. I can't believe I forgot that. Mea Culpa. The year before, IIRC.

[wunfellaff]

I think you miss the point in the Gaelic thing - sure, the republican movement tried for many years to make political capital out of a sporting apartheid, but if you reckon that Croke Park was full of IRA members and supporters, then that would go some (very small) way to justifying the slaughter. That wasn't the case - the crowd were there to watch a sporting event. Had there been other choices, there would have been other crowds. To watch other sports.

The Red Clydesiders organised across Glasgow, in many public areas - streets, squares, parks etc. I am not aware of any organised meetings at any football ground, but there was a mass protest in George Square in 1919, with reported numbers varying from 90-100,000. A meeting broken up by baton charges, troops and tanks. The old order resisting and oppressing the will of the people - who'd have thought it, eh?

As for Chile - I'm not aware of any link between Pinochet and Scotland, so I fear we may have our wires crossed on that one.

Wee aside - nice to see both cheeks confirming stereotypes over tonight's friendly.

My point re Croke was that it was the perceived politically of the attendees that made it a target.

Chile?

Look for Rous as in Stanley , and pre world cup tour.

Absolutely disgusting by us

[Monkey Tennis]

Condescending?? I simply pointed out that T1ms and diddies used this thread to wind up rangers fans.

No you didn't.

You impiled that this was all about the OF fans attacking each other and that we just piped up at time to "help" you. It's to profoundly misunderstand and misrepresent what this wonderful thread's been about.

Much of what we diddies dislike about Rangers is also in place at your club. In attacking Rangers, we're not in league with Celtic, not for a minute. Don't ever think we are.

[thelegendthatis]

The joint bun statement I got emailed (as a devoted poster on follow follow) is hilarious...

All "watp" and bluster, ending with "no option but review our options"

http://www.therst.co.uk/walter-must-stay-on-the-board/

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What idiot would have written that nonsense? As ever they talk big, but say nothing. They are just full of bluster and cliches.

Trust Walter and all will be well.

They have this wonderful ability to blame everyone or anyone else when things go wrong, but dump responsibility onto others to sort things out and kiss things better. Without them actually engaging in the whole thing.

Who tucks these guys up in bed at night? Bunch of big weans.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

My point re Croke was that it was the perceived politically of the attendees that made it a target.

Chile?

Look for Rous as in Stanley , and pre world cup tour.

Absolutely disgusting by us

Now, when we started on this wee OT trip, you were saying that people assemble at sports grounds for political reasons. If you're saying that this was the case at Croke Park, then the British reponse to the events of that morning could be justified as a retaliation, albeit a massively OTT one. Yet we refer to it as an attack on innocents. It can't be both. FWIW, my take is it was indeed a massacre of innocent people, and a political statement of purpose on behalf of the British. That crowd was not a political assembly in any shape or form.

I've already owned up to my memory lapse re: Santiago. It was a shameful fixture to play from our point of view, but the same applies in reply to your original point - the 60k or so who attended were there to watch football, not for any political reason. That Berlin match? There were a lot of things it was wise to do/support, and be seen to do/support, in Nazi Germany. Not sure you can make a case for it being a political crowd. Political points and statements made by Germans and Brits, certainly, but I really don't think you can make the case for that crowd turning up voluntarily. Again, sport was the coincidental backdrop.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

No you didn't.

You impiled that this was all about the OF fans attacking each other and that we just piped up at time to "help" you. It's to profoundly misunderstand and misrepresent what this wonderful thread's been about.

Much of what we diddies dislike about Rangers is also in place at your club. In attacking Rangers, we're not in league with Celtic, not for a minute. Don't ever think we are.

Hear, hear.

[wunfellaff]

No you didn't.

You impiled that this was all about the OF fans attacking each other and that we just piped up at time to "help" you. It's to profoundly misunderstand and misrepresent what this wonderful thread's been about.

Much of what we diddies dislike about Rangers is also in place at your club. In attacking Rangers, we're not in league with Celtic, not for a minute. Don't ever think we are.

Bit strong. If you think "two cheeks'' you are deluded. I want them fuckin DEAD.

[Addie]

Bit strong. If you think "two cheeks'' you are deluded. I want them fuckin DEAD.

Rangers did die you numpty.

And their death will spell the end of your team as well.

[bennett]

I worded it wrong so, Fookin hell you lot are really quite sensitive sometimes. I am quite aware you lot feel the same way about Celtic as you do rangers and I could not give two fooks monkey. HTH I hope I didn't offend your sweat sensitiven sole too much.

Monkey does like his high horse.

[AberdeenBud]

I worded it wrong so, Fookin hell you lot are really quite sensitive sometimes. I am quite aware you lot feel the same way about Celtic as you do rangers and I could not give two fooks monkey. HTH I hope I didn't offend your sweat sensitiven sole too much.

[AberdeenBud]

Oh no a typo!!!

Just checking, thought MT might have a debilitating problem with the pores in his feet that you know about.

[AberdeenBud]

Agenda clear but more tough decisions ahead for Rangers board

Richard Wilson

Sports writer

Wednesday 29 May 2013

Malcolm Murray is likely to face another challenge to his position as Rangers chairman today.

Malcolm Murray

He ought to be used to the circumstances, since every board meeting for the past two months has involved discussions, sometimes heated, about his involvement in the club. The directors met last Friday to vote on the matter, only for the gathering to be abruptly brought to a halt. Had it gone ahead, Murray would have been voted off.

His future will not be the only item on the agenda today, but it is certain to feature prominently. For all of his obvious and heartfelt affection for the club, and his commitment to good corporate governance, Murray is a flawed chairman. With him at the helm, the board is thought to lack leadership and decisive decision-making, with much of the business of the last few months spent on internal politics – there was a fierce clash of personalities between Murray and Charles Green, the former chief executive – rather than driving the club forward. The majority of the directors, some of them reluctantly and including Walter Smith, have come to the same conclusion, but the process is not straightforward.

Murray would need to be replaced, although it could be an interim appointment. There are four current non-executive directors but one of them, Philip Cartmell, has only attended one board meeting. That remoteness would not suit the role. Smith has intimated in the past that he has no wish to hold the position. That leaves Ian Hart, a lifelong fan and respected business figure, and Bryan Smart, another who has an emotional attachment, but neither may be keen given the difficulties that chairing the board may bring, with much of the club's business having been carried out in public in recent months and a lack of unity amongst directors and fans alike.

There are good working relationships around the board table, though. On the current issues, Hart and Smith are increasingly in agreement, with Smart often also sharing similar views. Craig Mather, the chief operating officer, and Brian Stockbridge, the finance director, have also been prepared to vote in favour of moves that would bring some stability to the board. With an emergency general meeting having been requested by Blue Pitch Holdings, with four issues to be addressed – to remove Murray, to remove Cartmell, to appoint James Easdale and to appoint Chris Morgan – there is a desire to find the means to negotiate a settlement in advance that is not disruptive.

There are two stages to Rangers returning to a more stable, productive set-up. The first is change in the boardroom, which is likely to begin to be addressed today. Disagreements amongst directors have not always followed along 'Rangers men' and 'non-Rangers men' lines, and there have been few clear-cut points of disagreement; the subtleties and the nuances have often been lost in the rush to impose a clear narrative on events. It is more that the board has lacked strong leadership, from the chairman, and some of the dissent has been leaked. A new chairman, and perhaps a vice-chairman with a specific remit, would go some way to restoring order to the boardroom.

It is considered highly unlikely that Green will return, despite being the majority shareholder with a 7.8% stake. Having resigned as chief executive last month, he was allowed to remain on the board as a director until May 31, so he can participate in today's meeting.

The independent investigation into the level of collusion last summer between Green and Craig Whyte, the former owner – which was launched by Murray and carried out by Pinsent Masons and Deloitte – has been completed, but the results have not yet been seen by all of the directors. A detailed statement on the outcome is unlikely, but there seems little prospect of a return for Green. He remains popular with some fans, although the consensus view is that the club needs to draw a distinct line under the turbulence of the past 12 months.

Even if matters are addressed in the boardroom, where many of the issues have become centred on personalities, Rangers' long-term stability is likely to require a change in the balance of shareholders. As revealed in the prospects ahead of last December's Initial Public Offering of shares, members of Green's initial consortium can begin to sell their stakes in June. Green himself, as well as Imran Ahmad, the former commercial director, have to wait until 12 months have elapsed before they can trade, although lock-in agreements do often leave room for manoeuvre.

Dave King, the former Rangers director, has previously admitted to monitoring the situation. Even if last year's season ticket sales could be repeated, there is the likelihood that Rangers will need additional funding on or before the club's return to the top flight. King has always believed that the business model will require further investment to be successful. With the Rangers Supporters Trust, as well as individuals, having bought shares during the IPO, there is also an opportunity for the fans to take larger stakes in the club if they can work together to pool their influence.

The board meeting today may well begin to address some of the issues that have been troubling Rangers in recent months. There will still be other difficult decisions to be made in the weeks ahead.

[AberdeenBud]

Something must be up, there hasn't been any leaks yet.

[AberdeenBud]

Fixed it for you Hate ta see ya all confused lad.

I worded it wrong so, Fookin hell you lot are really quite sensitive sometimes. I am quite aware you lot feel the same way about Celtic as you do rangers and I could not give two fooks monkey. HTH I hope I didn't offend your sweat sensitive sole too much.

Try again, 3rd time lucky.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Monkey does like his high horse.

And WKR. They spend all their time slagging off Celtic and rangers and you say one word against them and they are throwing their toys out the pram and crying about arse cheeks As I said they are very sensitive, and they actually think it bothers Celtic fans they don't like us :lol:

P&Bers - bringing harmony to the Glasgow divide since 2012. Get a room, lads.