Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[bennett]

This is true, but it's the frequency with which McCoist is doing it, and with all manner of people, some of whom have been exposed as not operating in the club's interests, that holds him up to ridicule.

If he had more honour, he'd have declared himself unwilling to operate with some of them. He's been handsomely rewarded however for his duplicity in various scams, so he's no plans to do any such thing.

There's an irony somewhere in the fact that his willing prostitution to whoever, is sometimes characterised as loyalty to the club. His behaviour could scarcely be less loyal.

At one time i'd have told you to do one for that, i'd have went for McCoist being a bit gullible, trusting and naive.

Fool me once shame on you.

Fool me God knows how many times, shame on.....

[NotfromFifehonest]

Eh?

I am 3 Orcs on SevcoMedja - we wind your fellow Orcs up by giving the spivs our full support. Soon I'm going into the January transfer window thread by suggesting that fat Sal needs to acquire at least 2 more LBs and 3 strikers.

WATP GSTQ

Edited November 23, 2013 by NotfromFifehonest

[AberdeenBud]

 

Not sure if Hearts paid whatever debt there was at the time. But the company that ran them was liquidated.

 

Hearts aren't going to pay their debt this time - but it won't make them a new club.

It will if their CVA gets rejected.

[Bearwithme]

It will if their CVA gets rejected.

Nah.

[AberdeenBud]

Just saw the back page of the Record, Ally is backing the current board in the upcoming agm blah blah blah blah cliches....

 

I suppose he's made his bed as they say and is entwined with them now, i can't even say that i'm surprised at this.

Who is tbf Benny.

As you're fond of saying, Sally has more faces than the toon clock.

[flyingrodent]

No, I mocked it. It was puerile.

And despite your stricken and continued attempts at digression - we arrived here because you decided that another salvo of P&B amateur psychology nonsense was the appropriate response to discussions on the very great LNS ruling; that no titles could be stripped. Because no sporting advantage was gained.

And why is it upsetting you at all we ask - because they could not then be handed on a plate to 'RA sulk of course. That, after all, was the plan - hence Liewell's publicly declared disappointment on behalf of rasulk.

Bless...

Yes, amazingly, I was kidding about the psychology stuff. I don't really think that a short course confers expertise.

Although the "got off on a technicality" stuff was intended, and has the added force of actually being true.

[bennett]

I am 3 Orcs on SevcoMedja - we wind your fellow Orcs up by giving the spivs our full support. Soon I'm going into the January transfer window thread by suggesting that fat Sal needs to acquire at least 2 more LBs and 3 strikers.

WATP GSTQ

Aye, good stuff mate......

[The DA]

I guess nobody should mention what their club did before they were born.

Suits me. Nothing much I'd want to claim before the Jerry Kerr era.

[Umbungo1874]

Green and co needed season ticket money urgently and McCoist obliged them.

I've said it before but McCoist needs to explain why he backed Green to the hilt (and everyone else along the way).

Did Walter not also do this to sell shares ?

[bennett]

Did Walter not also do this to sell shares ?

I can't remember the exact dates involved, i know you're taking the P but it's worth discussing sensibly (like that'll happen).

[Umbungo1874]

I can't remember the exact dates involved, i know you're taking the P but it's worth discussing sensibly (like that'll happen).

Walter became a director at Rangers on the 11th of November last year and the IPO was in December the Idea that he was there for any other reason than selling shares to the gullible is laughable

[bennett]

Walter became a director at Rangers on the 11th of November last year and the IPO was in December the Idea that he was there for any other reason than selling shares to the gullible is laughable

To give Greens group 'legitmacy', i reckon everyone on here knows that.

Pointless discussing this further, back to the usual routine then...

[Monkey Tennis]

To give Greens group 'legitmacy', i reckon everyone on here knows that.

Pointless discussing this further, back to the usual routine then...

Alright Bennett. As ever, I'm up for sensible discussion and I know you're more prepared than most Rangers fans on here, to be critical of those attached to the club.

I know you see things much as I and many others do, as regards McCoist. However, what is your view of Smith's conduct, in allowing himself to be brought aboard by Green?

[bennett]

Alright Bennett. As ever, I'm up for sensible discussion and I know you're more prepared than most Rangers fans on here, to be critical of those attached to the club.

I know you see things much as I and many others do, as regards McCoist. However, what is your view of Smith's conduct, in allowing himself to be brought aboard by Green?

Hard to say as i'll be mostly guessing.

We know that he turned down Green 3 or 4 times previously, so i reckon we can say that he had doubts.

Has he went in for what he believed to be the good of the club, to try to keep an eye on things (some of the CF stuff would back this up). (yes i know i've been critical of CF)

Did he realise he was out of his depth with the sharks and conmen, yes. We all make mistakes and i think he made one here but did rectify it slightly by resigning.

I don't think he should have touched the position with a barge pole and yes i'dl ove to know his reasons for doing so.

Edit - It's also been suggested by sections of the media that he came in to support Ally when things weren't going to go good for him on the pitch.

Edited November 23, 2013 by bennett

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Green and co needed season ticket money urgently and McCoist obliged them.

I've said it before but McCoist needs to explain why he backed Green to the hilt (and everyone else along the way).

Really? You need this explaining to you? Might explain a lot, that little statement of yours.

Edited November 23, 2013 by WhiteRoseKillie

[Apache Don]

So singing a song that names the city Rangers play in changes our name does it, ken?

I didn't say or infer it changed your (or indeed your club's) name. I was pointing out that the club has been referred to as The Glasgow Rangers and not only in song. Many supporters of the club, that I have known and encountered over the years have referred to it by this name in conversation. So what? It was a response to you having a dig at a poster for using a term that has often been used by the club's own support whilst referencing them but then I forgot, you're an absolute Sharreen.

[Monkey Tennis]

Hard to say as i'll be mostly guessing.

We know that he turned down Green 3 or 4 times previously, so i reckon we can say that he had doubts.

Has he went in for what he believed to be the good of the club, to try to keep an eye on things (some of the CF stuff would back this up). (yes i know i've been critical of CF)

Did he realise he was out of his depth with the sharks and conmen, yes. We all make mistakes and i think he made one here but did rectify it slightly by resigning.

I don't think he should have touched the position with a barge pole and yes i'dl ove to know his reasons for doing so.

Fair enough.

Would it be accurate to therefore say you're more able to accept a defence of naivete on Smith's behalf than you are for McCoist, whose motives you see as more self-servingly cynical?

[Apache Don]

Abhergreen formed - V1

They amalgamated with Orion and Victoria FC's (I think) and a new club was founded called Abhergreen - V2

They folded and stepped out of football reforming at a later date - V3.

Interestingly - it seems the V2 step was driven by Hibs attempting to move to Aberdeen.

I don't yet know if it was Hibs V1 or V2 that sought a flitting.

The bold part occurred in 1903, which is the point we count our history from

[bennett]

WKR doing his stuff, back to normality then.

[Apache Don]

The last few pages have been torture, This cheered me up.. The The rangers are now run by a hedge fund :lol: :lol: Enjoy the rest of your soon to be very short journey!!!!

By David McCarthy, Scott McDermott

Rangers' largest shareholders scupper fans' hopes of regime change by vowing to back under-fire board at agm

22 Nov 2013 00:01

THE boardroom war at Ibrox appears to be over after Laxey Partners upped their stake at Ibrox to more than 11 per cent then told rebel shareholders to stop rocking the boat.

THE new largest shareholder at Rangers last night dealt a hammer blow to fans’ hopes of binning the Ibrox board at the club’s agm.

Laxey Partners, who took their holding to 11.64 per cent after snapping up another three million shares for £1.3m on Wednesday, told Record Sport they will be backing the current directors on December 19.

They insisted supporters had not spoken with a common voice in their bid to oust the board. But that claim was shot down by fans’ spokesman Craig Houston who accused Laxey of lying.

Until recently, only financial director Brian Stockbridge and non-executive director James Easdale were on the Ibrox board.

But the recent appointments of David Somers as acting chairman, Graham Wallace as chief executive and Norman Crighton as a non-executive director have convinced Laxey their investment is in safe hands.

At the time of their original investment, the Isle of Man-based hedge fund intimated they’d vote against the current regime at the agm – but have now U-turned.

Colin Kingsnorth, founding partner at Laxey, insisted the removal of Charles Green, Imran Ahmad, Craig Mather and others from positions of power – allied to the new appointments – gave him confidence Rangers are now being run professionally.

His company’s decision will be met with dismay by the group led by Paul Murray and Jim McColl who are pushing for change at the agm.

Kingsnorth, though, insisted the requisitioners had achieved their aim of forcing change at the top of the marble staircase – and should now end their involvement.

He told Record Sport: “From our side it’s clear – we will be voting for all of the directors at the agm.

“In August we indicated we would do what the supporters’ groups wanted to do. But things have changed. Firstly, it has been quite hard to gain a consensus from the supporters’ groups. If there are 101 supporters’ clubs, there are 102 different opinions.

“None of them speak for a very significant number of people. It surprised me to find how relatively few supporters are represented by the various supporters’ bodies.

“Also, the requisitioners have never put forward any teams of people they believe can take the club forward, other than Paul Murray and Malcolm Murray.

“I am not sure they are the strongest people to take the club forward. I’m not in one camp or another. I have looked at it dispassionately and believe appointments have been made that give me confidence in the board.

“The appointment of Graham Wallace as CEO was also significant. We were not involved in that but we see the merit in that appointment.

“I met Graham within 24 hours of his appointment. We had a very positive meeting and I believe in his ability to run Rangers professionally. Our investment reflects that belief.

“We are also impressed with the calibre of the people recently brought on to the board. David Somers and Norman Crighton will bring expertise and experience.

"The days of wheeling and dealing, of Green and Ahmad, are gone. I can understand why the requisitioners and everyone else wanted that lot out but the picture has changed.

“The requisitioners have done a power of good because they have forced the pace of change.

“They claimed the former board was not fit for purpose and they wanted people out and people in.

“This should now be the end of the requisitoners because they’ve got what they said they wanted – a far more professionally run club.

“It has happened more quickly because of their actions. They should be happy with that. The new board are good people and I find it pretty straightforward to support their re-election.”

Groups opposed to the regime will have to find 51 per cent of the vote at the agm. But the current board is edging towards the winning post with the Laxey vote, allied to the 23.79 per cent voting rights transferred to James Easdale’s brother Sandy by investors Blue Pitch Holdings and Margarita Funds.

Sports Direct owner Mike Ashley, who owns 4.61 percent of Rangers, is also expected to support the existing regime.

However, fans’ chief Houston insists the supporters remain united in their bid to oust the board and claims Laxey’s new investment will make no difference to the agm.

Houston – who is behind the Sons of Struth campaign – also accused Laxey of lying with their claim the fans’ groups are fractious and don’t represent a huge number of punters.

He told Record Sport: “Out of all the supporters’ groups who agreed a week ago to join a fans’ union, not one of them has spoken to Laxey.

“And I can assure you no fans’ group has intimated to Laxey they are in support of the board.

“We are very much united against the current board.

“The Sons of Struth now have official backing from the Supporters’ Trust, the Rangers Assembly and the Rangers Supporters’ Association, among others. We have created a new union of fans.

“The only supporters’ group who haven’t joined are the Vanguard Bears. They represent around 50 fans and have stated all along they would remain neutral.

“So if Laxey has spoken to any fans’ group it could only have been them. A month has now passed since I first contacted the club and asked for dialogue with the fans.

“But they have ignored us and we are still waiting. Not only do we have the club’s PR machine telling lies about the fans, more worryingly we now have a majority shareholder telling lies about us as well.

“The share purchase from Laxey will make no difference to the agm’s outcome. If the shares came from people who were planning to back the board anyway, it shouldn’t affect the result.”

Supporters’ Trust chairman Mark Dingwall also insisted his group hadn’t met with Laxey yet but Kingsworth indicated in a telephone call yesterday he would welcome a meeting with the Trust.

Dingwall said: “It is vital directors have the confidence of the fans otherwise the club will not generate the money it should. Investors as shrewd as Laxey will recognise that.”

Oh and Mark Dingwall, round ya fat b*****d

Blue part: Our guys have been right all along, no fans' group is representative

Red part: Imagine a conversation between these high powered suits and those knuckle-dragging fuds. That would really have swung the vote. Was that the vanguard bears in that yoo tube clip? No couldn't be, those twats are representative.