Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[AberdeenBud]

Nah, hacking down my jungle (garden).

You didn't miss much, fitba was pretty shite, but Killie did just enough. Had a decent day out in Ayrshire though. Was a lovely day and plenty of fine ales and good craic with the locals.

[youngsy]

As another Scot living in England, you don't have a valid point at all. I left Scotland voluntarily, and my vote has been cast in the last thirty-plus years in local, European and Parliamentary Elections for candidates who represent the areas where I reside. That's how it works. I assume that you were not thrown into exile, either.

Even though the impact of a Yes vote will more than likely be to the detriment of working people in rUK, I still fervently hope that Scotland goes it alone - simply because the UK is broken. Not irretrievably, but only with the possible example of a real democracy on the border might the populace down here believe it can be changed.

Oh, and "we" don't have Eastern Europeans living in Scotland. "We" don't live in Scotland, remember?

In your opinion that is, which tbh means absolutely nothing to myself. As for the "we", try not to be so pedantic, i'll phrase that another way just to please you, ' Scotland has East Europeans who in all probability the majority of them will return to their own countries to live permanently so therefore as far as i'm concerned have no right to vote on this issue as they are not Scots born and have no emotional or family ties to the country'.

if you asked the many Scots living in other parts of the UK you would get a very large majority stating that there is a very valid point in what i said.

[AberdeenBud]

' Scotland has East Europeans who in all probability the majority of them will return to their own countries to live permanently so therefore as far as i'm concerned have no right to vote on this issue as they are not Scots born and have no emotional or family ties to the country'.

You'll have evidence to the back this up I presume?

So because some Eastern European residents of Scotland may return to their country of birth at some point, none of them should get to vote, is that actually what you're saying?

I know many Eastern Europeans who are not voting the same as me, if anything I've found them more inclined to vote No, but I don't begrudge them that vote one bit.

Edited September 14, 2014 by AberdeenBud

[Jacksgranda]

I left Scotland 41 years ago. I used to "go home" 2/3 times a year, then it became 2, then 1, and I have only been back once since my father died, 6 years ago. I doubt I'll be moving back to Scotland, should I have a vote?

Much as it affects the UK as a whole, the people who should decide the future of Scotland are those who live there, whether born there or not. Where would the cut off date be for Scots who have left Scotland? 5 years? 10 years? 15 Years?

My right to vote in Northern Ireland has never been questioned, I know a few folk who have emigrated to Australia from here due to the recession in the building trade - should they have had a vote in the recent local elections?

[Wee Willie]

I left Scotland 41 years ago. I used to "go home" 2/3 times a year, then it became 2, then 1, and I have only been back once since my father died, 6 years ago. I doubt I'll be moving back to Scotland, should I have a vote?

Much as it affects the UK as a whole, the people who should decide the future of Scotland are those who live there, whether born there or not. Where would the cut off date be for Scots who have left Scotland? 5 years? 10 years? 15 Years?

My right to vote in Northern Ireland has never been questioned, I know a few folk who have emigrated to Australia from here due to the recession in the building trade - should they have had a vote in the recent local elections?

Well said

[Monkey Tennis]

Defend what?

His remarks are stupid and ignorant.

The bit about immigrants is wildly inaccurate and certainly dodgy in tone.

The most offensive thing in the article however, is the grammar : "Many footballers - mostly retired - have came(sic) out on one side of the debate, or the other".

Just embarrassing.

Edited September 14, 2014 by Monkey Tennis

[TheLip69]

I have to say that, as another Scot living in England, my thoughts are similar to those of Jacksgranda and WRK than Youngsy. I think the result will be a NO but my vote would have been a YES.

[bennett]

His remarks are stupid and ignorant.

The bit about immigrants is wildly inaccurate and certainly dodgy in tone.

The most offensive thing in the article however, is the grammar : "Many footballers - mostly retired - have came(sic) out on one side of the debate, or the other".

Just embarrassing.

Now now Monkey, Andy Muirhead consdiers himself to be a real journalist ....

[Ken Fitlike]

Bennett's a worry, isn't he?

[TheLip69]

Bennett's a worry, isn't he?

If worry was spelled T W A T then yes.

[yorkshirepud]

I have to say that, as another Scot living in England, my thoughts are similar to those of Jacksgranda and WRK than Youngsy. I think the result will be a NO but my vote would have been a YES.

Same boat. Be interesting to see if a yes vote changes the system down here. As WRK said, the political system down here is broken and it simply can't continue as it is.

Bringing it back on topic (sort of!) is anyone else surprised to hear the MSM being slaughtered by the electorate for their bias toward the establishment? Seem to remember this happening before somewhere and social media having to take on the primary roles of investigation and reporting. Almost as if the lesson wasn't learned.

[ThirdrockfromtheSon]

Bennett's a worry, isn't he?

His spelling and grammar are a worry, particularly today.

And I didn't realise that a basement B&B had a garden.....

[lithgierose]

His spelling and grammar are a worry, particularly today.

And I didn't realise that a basement B&B had a garden.....

People like Bennett who never go to football games but sit on their arses all day shouldn't get to vote either ????

[AberdeenBud]

A journalist getting the Bears telt at last.

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Gordon Waddell: Rangers fans must realise that the only way to truly hurt the board is to stay away from games

GORDON argues that if fans really want to get rid of the Rangers board then they must cut off all financial support to the club.

IT’S TIME for Rangers fans to pee or get off the pot.

They either want regime change or they don’t. They either realise the power they wield or they don’t.

The red card displays, the eternal and infernal statements, they show willing but ultimately achieve nothing. Sticks and stones and all that.

But does anyone really think the occupants of their boardroom give a toss about what anyone says about them?

They can’t hear you. They’re too busy counting your money. And all you’re doing is facilitating them.

That’s the problem. The power of the Rangers support lies in its size, its strength but most of all in its unity of purpose. If half of you stick and half of you twist though?

You’re playing right into their hands. Giving them just enough to keep their tiptoes on the bottom of the pool and their nostrils poking above the surface.

That’s what 23,000 season tickets was in the summer. It was a message, it was five figures down – but it wasn’t enough for the fans, and just enough for the board.

Same with the walk-ups. The drip-feeders. Around 20,000 for Hearts, another 11,000 for Clyde, 9000 each against Dumbarton and Queen of the South.

You’re handing over your cash at the turnstiles and it’s going straight into a black hole.

I understand there are plenty who just want to go to the football on a Saturday, who don’t care about what goes on behind the scenes. They’re probably the silent majority. But maybe they need to start listening to the loud minority.

Nine months ago, before their agm, was the first time they really threatened this lot with what they called ‘disengagement’.

I said then that if they truly believed that was the way to go, then they all had to have the stomach for what would effectively be the euthanising of their club. A mercy killing. That the short-term pain would be acute but they’d appreciate what they’d done in the long term.

But their disunity, their lack of a core belief, has crippled their true effectiveness. And here they are in the wake of that begging-bowl share issue, back at square one.

So what choice do they have? They play Inverness at Ibrox in the League Cup on Tuesday. They don’t have another home league game for more than a fortnight when they play Hibs.

For a club who, by their own admission, are living hand to mouth, two empty stadiums through to the end of September with no walk-ups, no hospitality, no catering, no nothing, would be financially catastrophic. But THAT’S the only language they speak.

They were described to me the other day as being like wild dogs around a carcass, stripping it to the bone. When do they leave? When there’s nothing left for them. As long as there are morsels of meat to be picked off around the edges, they’ll hang around.

A grasper like Imran Ahmad, for example. Only persuaded to take his leave this week by tossing a juicy chunk of what was left in his direction.

So if the fans really want to do their club a favour, the place should be a morgue on Tuesday night.

Will it hurt? Of course it will. But if you believe there’s a cancer, the only way to get rid of it is to cut it out – and hope. Ever since December and that car crash agm there’s been a suspicion that Rangers would have to go the grave again for a second resurrection. Is there a fear of what follows? Again, of course. But this is where a properly unified support has some control.

Because much in the same way as the wild dogs won’t hang around, another pack won’t bother stepping in unless they think there’s another meal ticket to be had.

Who’s going to invest in a club with no regular income? Any owner needs approval. He needs customers.

So the only way to make anything out of Rangers now is to turn it into the business it SHOULD have become when they went belly up in the first place.

Trimmed-down costs, sustainable plan, 40,000 people through the gate every week, build yourselves back up, develop players, sell the odd one for more money, challenge, win, get into the Champions League, get your share of that gigantic European pot… Sound familiar? The antithesis of what happened, when £70m walked in the other direction in just 18 months.

Who knows, Dave King may have played the smartest game of all because he knows now he could yet be their only option, and that would have the approval of the rump of the rank and file.

And don’t worry, the irony’s not lost – the uproar at the Easdales hanging out with Interpol’s most wanted, yet the open-armed embrace for a guy who’s spent more time

dealing with South African courts in recent times than with affairs at Ibrox.

But there may yet be plenty more pain before that scenario has a chance.

Two weeks ago I said they had two choices. Neither of them attractive.

Keep the regime afloat week to week, or not a penny more.

Seems to me they only have one left.

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He's putting across his opinion and tbh as a Scot living in England who hasn't got a vote in this i have to say there is a valid point that Scots born people living in other parts of the UK are being denied the chance to have a say in the future of their country,whether they still reside there or not. We have East Europeans who are living in Scotland that have no links whatsoever to the country and in all likelihood will return to their home country at some point in time and yet they will have a vote to determine the future of a country that they have no emotional or family ties to in any way. That is fundamentally wrong.

Oh youngsy.

[AberdeenBud]

Oh youngsy.

I can imagine him stumbling about utterly bewildered by the modern world.

[MikeyWellFan]

I can imagine him stumbling about utterly bewildered by the modern world.

[shull]

A journalist getting the Bears telt at last.

---------------------------------------------------

Gordon Waddell: Rangers fans must realise that the only way to truly hurt the board is to stay away from games

GORDON argues that if fans really want to get rid of the Rangers board then they must cut off all financial support to the club.

IT’S TIME for Rangers fans to pee or get off the pot.

They either want regime change or they don’t. They either realise the power they wield or they don’t.

The red card displays, the eternal and infernal statements, they show willing but ultimately achieve nothing. Sticks and stones and all that.

But does anyone really think the occupants of their boardroom give a toss about what anyone says about them?

They can’t hear you. They’re too busy counting your money. And all you’re doing is facilitating them.

That’s the problem. The power of the Rangers support lies in its size, its strength but most of all in its unity of purpose. If half of you stick and half of you twist though?

You’re playing right into their hands. Giving them just enough to keep their tiptoes on the bottom of the pool and their nostrils poking above the surface.

That’s what 23,000 season tickets was in the summer. It was a message, it was five figures down – but it wasn’t enough for the fans, and just enough for the board.

Same with the walk-ups. The drip-feeders. Around 20,000 for Hearts, another 11,000 for Clyde, 9000 each against Dumbarton and Queen of the South.

You’re handing over your cash at the turnstiles and it’s going straight into a black hole.

I understand there are plenty who just want to go to the football on a Saturday, who don’t care about what goes on behind the scenes. They’re probably the silent majority. But maybe they need to start listening to the loud minority.

Nine months ago, before their agm, was the first time they really threatened this lot with what they called ‘disengagement’.

I said then that if they truly believed that was the way to go, then they all had to have the stomach for what would effectively be the euthanising of their club. A mercy killing. That the short-term pain would be acute but they’d appreciate what they’d done in the long term.

But their disunity, their lack of a core belief, has crippled their true effectiveness. And here they are in the wake of that begging-bowl share issue, back at square one.

So what choice do they have? They play Inverness at Ibrox in the League Cup on Tuesday. They don’t have another home league game for more than a fortnight when they play Hibs.

For a club who, by their own admission, are living hand to mouth, two empty stadiums through to the end of September with no walk-ups, no hospitality, no catering, no nothing, would be financially catastrophic. But THAT’S the only language they speak.

They were described to me the other day as being like wild dogs around a carcass, stripping it to the bone. When do they leave? When there’s nothing left for them. As long as there are morsels of meat to be picked off around the edges, they’ll hang around.

A grasper like Imran Ahmad, for example. Only persuaded to take his leave this week by tossing a juicy chunk of what was left in his direction.

So if the fans really want to do their club a favour, the place should be a morgue on Tuesday night.

Will it hurt? Of course it will. But if you believe there’s a cancer, the only way to get rid of it is to cut it out – and hope. Ever since December and that car crash agm there’s been a suspicion that Rangers would have to go the grave again for a second resurrection. Is there a fear of what follows? Again, of course. But this is where a properly unified support has some control.

Because much in the same way as the wild dogs won’t hang around, another pack won’t bother stepping in unless they think there’s another meal ticket to be had.

Who’s going to invest in a club with no regular income? Any owner needs approval. He needs customers.

So the only way to make anything out of Rangers now is to turn it into the business it SHOULD have become when they went belly up in the first place.

Trimmed-down costs, sustainable plan, 40,000 people through the gate every week, build yourselves back up, develop players, sell the odd one for more money, challenge, win, get into the Champions League, get your share of that gigantic European pot… Sound familiar? The antithesis of what happened, when £70m walked in the other direction in just 18 months.

Who knows, Dave King may have played the smartest game of all because he knows now he could yet be their only option, and that would have the approval of the rump of the rank and file.

And don’t worry, the irony’s not lost – the uproar at the Easdales hanging out with Interpol’s most wanted, yet the open-armed embrace for a guy who’s spent more time

dealing with South African courts in recent times than with affairs at Ibrox.

But there may yet be plenty more pain before that scenario has a chance.

Two weeks ago I said they had two choices. Neither of them attractive.

Keep the regime afloat week to week, or not a penny more.

Seems to me they only have one left.

DON'T TELL THEM PIKE

[No8.]

DON'T TELL THEM PIKE

OK I laughed ...... But get back in yer kennel

[shull]

OK I laughed ...... But get back in yer kennel