Only coo in the village Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The gamble of going for promotion while being unable to pay the players the wages they were promised has failed. How can you expect your players to stay motivated and focused when they can't pay their bills and support their families? The players and management have shown great loyalty in not reporting the club for non payment of wages which they are quite entitled to do. Once the full-time contracts run out then Dunfermline will have to turn at least partly full-time as the current wage bill is clearly impossible for them to meet. Other cuts will also have to be made in their youth budget. That's assuming that they manage to avoid administration which may actually be the best option for the club but not it's owner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Vicious circle, go part time, be absolutely rank, get relegated and crowds plummet further. How much have our crowds dropped sinse we came into the first division? a spell in the second division would kill us. Either way we're going to die though tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Why would we suddenly be relegated if we went part-time? Unless we were scaling back to the degree of Clyde or Stirling Albion (which isn't out of the realm of possibility of course) we should still be able to stay in the division. Also, would be very depressing if fans did not show up just because we weren't a very good team. As long as prices were fair, I know I'd still be going. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Why would we suddenly be relegated if we went part-time? Unless we were scaling back to the degree of Clyde or Stirling Albion (which isn't out of the realm of possibility of course) we should still be able to stay in the division. Also, would be very depressing if fans did not show up just because we weren't a very good team. As long as prices were fair, I know I'd still be going. Look at how many part time teams have actually survived in the first division over the past few seasons, every season without fail it is the 2 part time teams who are in the shit. Unsurprisingly, it's the three part time sides who are in the bottom three this year,one will survive due to their being another part time team of course, but next year when Full time Queens get promoted they'll be back in the bottom two. Look at our average attendance this year, compared to us being in the first division last time round, despite us being in a title hunt up until Christmas our crowds have been shite, if Dunfermline were to get worse crowds would plummet more, that's why we got smaller crowds when we were getting relegated compared to when we were finishing fourth in the Spl, you'll have your small band of hardcore, but then it's also harder to entice new fans to a 2nd division side aswell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parscelona Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 Look at our average attendance this year, compared to us being in the first division last time round, despite us being in a title hunt up until Christmas our crowds have been shite, if Dunfermline were to get worse crowds would plummet more, that's why we got smaller crowds when we were getting relegated compared to when we were finishing fourth in the Spl, you'll have your small band of hardcore, but then it's also harder to entice new fans to a 2nd division side aswell. 2010/11 Average Attendance - 3,624 2012/13 Average Attendance - 3,844 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Look at how many part time teams have actually survived in the first division over the past few seasons, every season without fail it is the 2 part time teams who are in the shit. Unsurprisingly, it's the three part time sides who are in the bottom three this year,one will survive due to their being another part time team of course, but next year when Full time Queens get promoted they'll be back in the bottom two. Look at our average attendance this year, compared to us being in the first division last time round, despite us being in a title hunt up until Christmas our crowds have been shite, if Dunfermline were to get worse crowds would plummet more, that's why we got smaller crowds when we were getting relegated compared to when we were finishing fourth in the Spl, you'll have your small band of hardcore, but then it's also harder to entice new fans to a 2nd division side aswell. Well, our average crowds this season have actually been higher than our title season at the same point. The only reason 2010/2011 figures are higher overall is because of the massive last two home games which takes the average up around 600-700. Our crowds have not fallen away whatsoever. Did some quick maths using the club figures and got our average crowds for the last three seasons as this: 2010/2011: 3997 (3316 without games with Rovers + Falkirk) 2011/2012: 4799 (4125 without OF games) 2012/2013: 3845 (No giant crowds) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 2012/2013: 3856 with the benefit of three games against Falkirk and Raith which all attracted over 5'700, offer that gate to anyone in the first division and I'd suggest they would call it "giant". Fwiw it's 3133 once you take away our Falkirk and Raith games(lower than 10/11), that's with fairly decent crowds against Partick,Morton and Dumbarton, that figure is only going to drop in the second part of the season with no title run. Compared to our first season in the first division following relegation last time it's also significantly lower, and come next season, providing we are still here, chances are it will have dropped again. People come to see a succesfull side, people find that spunking £20 on a relatively meaningless football game to be of little point, I can hardly blame them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Being a "hybrid" side may not be that bad. Didn't seem to do us a great deal of harm. You certainly need some full timers there at this level - at least until 3 or 4 other teams follow suit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonsilitis Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The finest Morton team in living memory (the Andy Ritchie team) was part time! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The stigma to part time teams highlights what is wrong with our game. Next season Rovers will probably be a fully-part time outfit, as will one of either Cowdenbeath or Dumbarton, and the winners of the playoffs. To suggest any team going part time won't be able to compete at first division level and will be automatically cast in a relegation battle is untrue. Sure, it'd be a challenge for a team to adapt but you'd still have to imagine that adapting is going to be something clubs need to do anyway. As Calderon points out, we've done fair enough since we brought in the hybrid model. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) The finest Morton team in living memory (the Andy Ritchie team) was part time! Yeah, that was 30 years ago. Completely irrelevant to how teams can handle it now. Certainly no guarantee you'd end up being relegated being part-time, while all wholly part-time sides have struggled it's rare for one to be entirely cut adrift from the full-time teams, and Ayr finished above Queen of the South last season. You really should be able to break even as a full-time club on crowds around the 3500 mark anyway, further piss poor management from DAFC. Edited February 19, 2013 by Dunning1874 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 If Dunfermline have the right man at the helm and the right players, it won't matter a bit if they are part time or full time. I also tend to find that part time players give you an honest shift on the park compared with some prima Dona full time pussies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adopted beath Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 For me the biggest hurdle to overcome for part time teams isn,t general fitness.In the modern world loads of part time players do extra on their own time anyway.Its the organisation and team shape and tactics where you cant put the same time in.Re-hab of injuries is much more difficult for part time players when they still have to work when carrying knocks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 £200,000 to run the club every month players average wage £500? x20 players £10K Close the rest of the club down apart from the restuarants on match days. Job done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 £200,000 to run the club every month players average wage £500? x20 players £10K Close the rest of the club down apart from the restuarants on match days. Job done. There is more to running a football club than just paying players and coaches, although they'll always represent the biggest cost. Your teams problems were caused by running up historic debts. A large chunk of the coffers went out the club to service the debt at the start of the season, which has left your club insolvent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Share issue delayed http://www.dafc.co.uk/articles/20130220/dafc-forthcoming-share-issue_2207955_3082631 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandon Par Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Share issue delayed http://www.dafc.co.uk/articles/20130220/dafc-forthcoming-share-issue_2207955_3082631 A spokesperson for the club commented "Further to an extremely detailed review by our financial advisors and legal experts..... insert your own line here. The mind boggles. We have financial advisors? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) Share issue delayed http://www.dafc.co.uk/articles/20130220/dafc-forthcoming-share-issue_2207955_3082631 Whoever is writing their statements needs a few amends(sic) to their grammar. The Pars resistance movement's statements come across as clear, concise, and measured. The club's statements come across as they have been written by a ten year old, and proof read by an idiot. Maybe those fighting against Masterton won't win the financial battle for the club, but they're well ahead in terms of literacy. Edited February 21, 2013 by Guest 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonsilitis Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 you would be better p((((ing your money up the wall ,than buying these But you would not buy them looking for a return would you. Its about saving or trying to save your club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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