Ad Lib Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Ah yes. That must be why the likes of the Telegraph and Scotsman are bastions of neutrality, and the BBC is in no way biased. On the contrary, it's precisely the reason why they're not neutral. Neutrality doesn't sell. Partisan contributions engage people and they make more people buy your product. So you mine the partisan positions that will sell you the most papers. There are more Unionists than Nationalists who buy newspapers, so the newspapers cater to their largest catch of audience. And the BBC is another excellent example of this in practice in other areas. Of course it's not neutral. Look at where its money is coming from. Westminster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 On the contrary, it's precisely the reason why they're not neutral. Neutrality doesn't sell. Partisan contributions engage people and they make more people buy your product. So you mine the partisan positions that will sell you the most papers. There are more Unionists than Nationalists who buy newspapers, so the newspapers cater to their largest catch of audience. And the BBC is another excellent example of this in practice in other areas. Of course it's not neutral. Look at where its money is coming from. Westminster. I think the expression "a new low" is overused at times. But this feels like an appropriate time. This is a new low from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 What's the "thing" I'm supposed to have said 1. Literally never happens 2. Happened once but was an outlier 3. Happened a few times but isn't representative 4. Happened a lot but who cares Please be VERY specific. You're doing the 4th. The other three were from HB. It's a team effort. I'm going out now but I fully expect us to be discussing Schengen or being forced to use the Euro when I get back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 I think the expression "a new low" is overused at times. But this feels like an appropriate time. This is a new low from you. Care to be specific and actually deconstruct my point with, like, facts and reasons, rather than just point and shout "LOOK! SHIT!"? You're doing the 4th. The other three were from HB. It's a team effort. I'm going out now but I fully expect us to be discussing Schengen or being forced to use the Euro when I get back. You haven't answered my question, even in respect of part 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 So you freely admit we are in an unequal Union yet you want us to vote No. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 And this, ladies and gentlemen, sums up the true position of the Unionists in Scotland. Anti-Scottish, British Nationalist, intellectually dishonest and morally vacuous. No it doesn't Wolfie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthAyrshireKillie Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Yes.Better Together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 And this, ladies and gentlemen, sums up the true position of the Unionists in Scotland. Anti-Scottish, British Nationalist, intellectually dishonest and morally vacuous. No it doesn't Wolfie. Yes it does. I see MPs are looking for another payrise http://news.sky.com/story/1092896/mps-are-in-line-for-20000-pay-rise The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa) has been looking at an increase of between £10,000 and £20,000. This could potentially boost MPs' pay to more than three times the £26,500 national average salary. Why do we still help fund this Union? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 IPSA is independent of MPs. The clue is in the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 IPSA is independent of MPs. The clue is in the name. Ah well, I'm sure MP will do what they can to turn down this possible pay rise eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Ah well, I'm sure MP will do what they can to turn down this possible pay rise eh?Amusing watching you climb back down from your inaccurate statement that MPs were looking for a pay rise.Nick Clegg has already indicated he will not take any increase in salary recommended by IPSA. ETA: also worth pointing out that part of the proposals also involve MPs making up a significantly higher proportion of the contributions towards their pensions. Most if not all of this proposed salary increase is just going straight back in there instead of Parliament's equivalent of employer's pension contributions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Very good of him. And the rest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Amusing watching you climb back down from your inaccurate statement that MPs were looking for a pay rise. Nick Clegg has already indicated he will not take any increase in salary recommended by IPSA. Not a climb down, big deal I said MPs, point still stands I highly doubt they will reject this payrise if offered. They obviously need the extra money on top of the expenses they don't pay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Might be a bit controversial, but I think MPs are actually underpaid. I'd give them a great big pay rise, and cut back on the expenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Because they're sensationalist. Sensation sells. It's journalism, not peer reviewed academic debate. To fill column space and sell papers. In what parallel universe would the Independent select erm, Scottish independence as its most 'sensational' and paper-selling topic of a day? Are you stupid enough to suggest that this is a major issue for its majority English readership? Or are you suggesting that they made up all of their top stories, and therefore the above merely formed part of a general pattern? Be very specific in your flailing, Unionist-apologist answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Might be a bit controversial, but I think MPs are actually underpaid. I'd give them a great big pay rise, and cut back on the expenses. I agree, but would also cut their numbers and their holidays. make them earn their salary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 In what parallel universe would the Independent select erm, Scottish independence as its most 'sensational' and paper-selling topic of a day? Are you stupid enough to suggest that this is a major issue for its majority English readership? Or are you suggesting that they made up all of their top stories, and therefore the above merely formed part of a general pattern? Be very specific in your flailing, Unionist-apologist answer. Slow news day on the Scottish and/or politics desks and the need to fill column inches. The English are interested in sensationalism about the Scottish independence debate too. It's getting more attention in the UK print media than pretty much any otther single political issue save, perhaps, that incredible broad subject "the global economy". Might be a bit controversial, but I think MPs are actually underpaid. I'd give them a great big pay rise, and cut back on the expenses. Which to be fair, when you look at the detail, is pretty much exactly what the changes are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Elmo's Fire Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Does anyone else just fast forward straight through Ad Lib's posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saor Alba Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Does anyone else just fast forward straight through Ad Lib's posts? Nearly always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 there's normally something interesting in it, but you have to wade through 5 pages of legalese jargon and waffle. If he could bullet point what he is saying, it would save a lot of time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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