LIVIFOREVER Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 On 26/03/2024 at 15:39, velo army said: Ach to be honest I shouldn't use the term activist as it's applying a negative value to something that I feel is inherently positive. Activists are those who serve something larger than themselves and promote a cause to help others, generally speaking. What we have in a lot of movies now (and especially Disney) is a lot of narcissistic self-insertion in the form of the "strong female character" which ironically is nothing of the sort as they have no character and whose behaviour apes the worst of the toxic male archetypes that they tend to disparage. Often the female characters are pretty obnoxious, smug and put down their male counterparts at every opportunity. Rey, to be fair, isn't an example of this, but she doesn't have any development, doesn't earn any powers or skills and exemplifies the "Mary Sue" archetype with sad accuracy. A lot of the promotion around the movies especially was overtly identity political. A lot of the chat around the shows too is a big move away from "patriarchal" Star Wars of old and more in the direction of female led stories. This isn't about serving the story, the world or the fans (80% of whom are male) rather than furthering a particular agenda. Disney don't seem to have any self awareness about this and continually churn out the same shite that is designed for a non-existent audience. There's a great middle ground here. You hire actual writers who are competent and ask them to write a female-led Star Wars story. You'd end up with a character (a la Ridley or Sarah Conner) who is enduring and popular because their character goes through a journey and shows vulnerability. What we have is a bunch of writers who hate the source material, dislike the existing fans and are committed to writing stoic female villains and telling us that they're heroes. I'm not even that into Star Wars by the way, but I see a thread running through not just Star Wars but other previously beloved stories (James Bond, Indiana Jones for example) being "deconstructed for modern audiences" and I'm finding it all a bit unpleasant. Don't think Ahsoka resembles that description at all, her sidekick Sabine acts like a brooding selfish brat but she isn't the lead character. Also like Fennec Shand from Boba Fett, and Bo-Katan from Mandalorian. Basically there are good strong female characters as well as the ones you've described, but wouldn't lump them all into the one category. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Central Belt Caley Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 Andor is up there with some of the best SW content imo, the prison escape is just perfect. The best description of the Acolyte I’ve seen is that it’s like Saved by the bell with lightsabers. Some of the dialogue isn’t what you’d expect like “I made Jedi Knight”. I’m persevering though as I think the actual story isn’t too bad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squalor Vic Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 It's Star Wars , has the dialogue ever been that good? This seems like it'll be better than Ahsoka and Obi Wan but not as good as Andor. Quite mad how they seem to nail all the animated content but fluff a lot of the live action 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 13 hours ago, Squalor Vic said: It's Star Wars , has the dialogue ever been that good? This seems like it'll be better than Ahsoka and Obi Wan but not as good as Andor. Quite mad how they seem to nail all the animated content but fluff a lot of the live action The original scripts were apparently terrible. Harrison Ford famously said to George Lucas that people can write this, but not say it (with added swear words). the dialogue was then altered. Fast forward to The Phantom Menace and the dialogue is dreadful. "Younglings" ffs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holiday Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 I actually thought the first two episodes of Acolyte were decent but according to all these youtubers a huge backlash coming from the episode 3 as The force is revealed as female apparently, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 17 hours ago, Doc Holiday said: I actually thought the first two episodes of Acolyte were decent but according to all these youtubers a huge backlash coming from the episode 3 as The force is revealed as female apparently, Yeah apart from the fact if they did come at her with everything they had, she'd be deid in seconds. I'm intrigued to find the back story of what the Jedi's have done for her to hate them so much though, and the general story seems decent enough. I'm not that hard to please star wars wise right enough, i was never a fan till the spin offs got me interested in them, then i've watched everything and enjoyed it all, even Boba Fett. * i say all, the 3 prequel films were shite, so i do apparently have limits. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 hours ago, LIVIFOREVER said: Yeah apart from the fact if they did come at her with everything they had, she'd be deid in seconds. I'm intrigued to find the back story of what the Jedi's have done for her to hate them so much though, and the general story seems decent enough. I'm not that hard to please star wars wise right enough, i was never a fan till the spin offs got me interested in them, then i've watched everything and enjoyed it all, even Boba Fett. * i say all, the 3 prequel films were shite, so i do apparently have limits. Would she be deid in seconds though, she clearly has force abilities and has been trained by, you have to assume, a sith or darkside user well versed in the force Be good to see where they take this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) 4 hours ago, 54_and_counting said: Would she be deid in seconds though, she clearly has force abilities and has been trained by, you have to assume, a sith or darkside user well versed in the force Be good to see where they take this She's fighting masters so you'd think so, Spoiler the 2nd one took poison because she guilted him into it too, as she wasn't strong enough to get through to him when she first tried. Which also makes you wonder what is on their conscience, something to do with what happened on Mae's home planet when her family were killed. Edited June 11 by LIVIFOREVER 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Watched ep 3 Spoiler Not as bad as made out online, the idea that the twins were created by the force or A force isnt as bad as made out given anakin was seemingly created by palpatine manipulating the force The clan being all women and witches again, got to imagine its a part of the nightsisters/witches of dathomir Apart from not advancing the main story at all, it at least gives the back story as to what happened to the twins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 On 12/06/2024 at 17:17, 54_and_counting said: Watched ep 3 Hide contents Not as bad as made out online, the idea that the twins were created by the force or A force isnt as bad as made out given anakin was seemingly created by palpatine manipulating the force The clan being all women and witches again, got to imagine its a part of the nightsisters/witches of dathomir Apart from not advancing the main story at all, it at least gives the back story as to what happened to the twins Yeah was expecting it to be really shite, but didn't do anything to put me off watching the rest of it. Spoiler Obv still more to the back story, with what happened to the coven, the Jedi's probably killed them all to take the twins. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 I had no idea stone was so flammable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: I had no idea stone was so flammable. It's magical fire from a spell book wasn't it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 hours ago, LIVIFOREVER said: Yeah was expecting it to be really shite, but didn't do anything to put me off watching the rest of it. Hide contents Obv still more to the back story, with what happened to the coven, the Jedi's probably killed them all to take the twins. Spoiler Surely not given the jedi are pacifists almost, plus most of the coven died in the fire 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 hours ago, 54_and_counting said: Hide contents Surely not given the jedi are pacifists almost, plus most of the coven died in the fire Spoiler They have done something terrible for the Jedi master to willingly take poison, because of the guilt he was carrying, or is it just the very fact them being on the twins home planet to test them and take them away to train them, was the catalyst for what happened to the coven? Some of this convo is going back a couple of episodes so not sure i needed to stick it in a spoiler, but i once completely spoiled a GoT series for everyone so i'm taking nae chances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 hours ago, LIVIFOREVER said: Hide contents They have done something terrible for the Jedi master to willingly take poison, because of the guilt he was carrying, or is it just the very fact them being on the twins home planet to test them and take them away to train them, was the catalyst for what happened to the coven? Some of this convo is going back a couple of episodes so not sure i needed to stick it in a spoiler, but i once completely spoiled a GoT series for everyone so i'm taking nae chances. Aye might as well use them for another week at least for earlier eps, how did you manage to spoil a full series of GoT lol Spoiler Don't forget the jedi master was only a padwan back on the planet and was easily mind controlled by the witches, cant see him being part of a slaughter Can see the mother of the twins having something to do with it, im betting she survived and is mae's master/trainer but doesn't want to let on its her as she wants the anger etc to control mae for darkside purposes etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 13 hours ago, 54_and_counting said: Aye might as well use them for another week at least for earlier eps, how did you manage to spoil a full series of GoT lol Hide contents Don't forget the jedi master was only a padwan back on the planet and was easily mind controlled by the witches, cant see him being part of a slaughter Can see the mother of the twins having something to do with it, im betting she survived and is mae's master/trainer but doesn't want to let on its her as she wants the anger etc to control mae for darkside purposes etc It was on another football forum, can't remember exactly the spoiler now, think i casually mentioned someone being killed had shocked me, as he was a big character, and everyone thanked me for ruining it for them, oops. Edited June 18 by LIVIFOREVER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, LIVIFOREVER said: It was on another football forum, can't remember exactly the spoiler now, think i casually mentioned someone being killed had shocked me, as he was a big character, and everyone thanked me for ruining it for them, oops. Haha bet that went down well, ive genuinely never watched GoT 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 (edited) Read not much happens in this week's episode, mostly just wandering through a jungle, so think i'll let it build up before watching any more, then just binge it. Big question is who is the Sith master behind Mae's mission to assassinate Jedi masters. Spoiler I'm swaying towards Koril. Qimir is said to be another candidate, saying he disappears when certain things happen so could be the Sith hiding in plain sight, and keeping his true identity a secret. Doing a Clark Kent and Superman. But i'm sticking with Koril. Edited June 19 by LIVIFOREVER 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Good to see disney havent lost the art of finding something actually good and fucking ruining it The saber fights were bloody good, but as usual disney ruin the episode with the rest of the nonsense 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightswoodBear Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 I've quite enjoyed The Acolyte. Don't get the hate for it at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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