craigkillie Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Regarding the Vfl Wolfsburg and Bayer Leverkusen comparison, would people have as much of a problem if Red Bull started their own club, invested heavily into it and then entered it into the leagues? Isn't that basically what they did do? They bought over a small club (SSV Markranstadt) in order to obtain the licenses and stuff like that, but the other team seems to still exist and play in the 6th tier of German football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginge123 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I can't profess to have any knowledge about how they actually went about it in Germany, it was just a thought that came into my head as I typed my post out. An argument could also be made that some of the clubs that have company names started as works teams that had players from the factories. That might be seen to make them a bit more "legitimate" in the eyes of some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_mcshug Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 You can't, or couldn't, have a company name as a club's name in Scotland and play in the SPFL, or previously SFL and maybe the SPL, I don't know if that was ever challenged or if there was ever a written rule against it. Ferranti Thistle were made to change their name upon entering the SFL as far as I'm aware because it was a company name. So I'd be surprised if this would be possible up here. Regarding the Vfl Wolfsburg and Bayer Leverkusen comparison, would people have as much of a problem if Red Bull started their own club, invested heavily into it and then entered it into the leagues? I thought 'The Rangers' are a company.... Regards the factory teams, most of these teams such as Wolfsburg, Sochaux, Leverkusen, PSV all have historic ties to local companies so it is slightly different from what Red Bull are doing - which is one of the most extreme cases of guerilla marketing around!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I'm being pedantic but RB Leipzig don't have Red Bull in the name. Sure they are sponsored by Red Bull and have their stadium named after Red Bull but Wolfsburg also have this with VW. If we want to talk marketing then it's no worse than Wolfsburg changing shirt sponsor for a game to promote a new VW product. Germany appears to be the utopia for the AMF brigade yet they've many stadiums that have been rebranded for sponsorship deals (I make it less than five teams in this season's Bundesliga play in a stadium that doesn't have a sponsorship). Look at Hoffenheim, bankrolled into the Bundesliga and nobody really cares. RB Leipzig are doing the same thing but because they've got a company name attached rather than the name of a millionaire benefactor it's okay. Edit: I'm coming across like I have issue with Wolfsburg and other German teams for sponsorship and being bankrolled by companies. I've no issue at all, I'm just trying to draw comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_mcshug Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Yeah, they weren't allowed to use Red Bull I think. Many of the factory teams mentioned - certainly the 3 german examples - are not well liked teams as such. Hoffenheim in particular drew a lot of criticism from within Germany as they rose to the top so I don’t think a difference is being made due to it being Red Bull. As it happens, i dont really have an issue with it either, I just think that the difference between Red Bull's collection of teams and previous 'factory teams' is that they were all worker's team's to start with. Hoffenheim the only exception. These clubs all had local ties initially (even Hoffenheim) which resulted in a more organic growth of the teams. Red Bull own several football clubs, only one of which could argue a 'local tie'. And even then, they basically just bulldozed their way in and started messing about with the existing club in Salzburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Red Bull say they ain't interested http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9248419/red-bull-confirm-they-have-no-interest-in-investing-in-english-football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Aitken's Love Child Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Red Bull Leipzig have had their club licence, required to play in the German Bundesliga & Bundesliga 2, rejected after winning the 3. Liga this season. The DFB have stated that the club badge has been altered too much to look like the sponsor, and are suggesting that a club's sponsor needs to be seperate from the club itself in order to meet licensing requirements. They have also pointed out that the entire board, and all management positions, are held by employees of Red Bull. So as it stands, Red Bull Leipzig won't be able to play in the 2. Bundesliga next season. I expect this one to rumble on a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeSAFC Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Red Bull is bad for any club and I'm glad the Red Bull and Leeds rumours have gone away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanetti Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Red Bull Leipzig have had their club licence, required to play in the German Bundesliga & Bundesliga 2, rejected after winning the 3. Liga this season. The DFB have stated that the club badge has been altered too much to look like the sponsor, and are suggesting that a club's sponsor needs to be seperate from the club itself in order to meet licensing requirements. They have also pointed out that the entire board, and all management positions, are held by employees of Red Bull. So as it stands, Red Bull Leipzig won't be able to play in the 2. Bundesliga next season. I expect this one to rumble on a bit. Leipzig have accepted the demands and have agreed to change their badge and board of directors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Regards the factory teams, most of these teams such as Wolfsburg, Sochaux, Leverkusen, PSV all have historic ties to local companies so it is slightly different from what Red Bull are doing - which is one of the most extreme cases of guerilla marketing around!! Guerrilla marketing is supposed to be subtle and low-key. Paying players millions of pounds to get your logo tattooed on their foreheads is not subtle and low-key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waspy Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Red bull airdrie could work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mon Dieu Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Surely the obvious choice would be: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 What if a company, say Red Bull, bought a club, say Partick Thistle, and changed the name of their product to the club name........... " Partick Thistle Gives You Bings!" Unlikely, I concede, but would it get round the rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumigoo Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Bump, only because I wrote a very short piece about RB Leipzig - Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurph Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I never knew that's what the black binbags were for. I was at the Fortuna Dusseldorf v RB Leipzig game on Sunday there and calmly refused one. The fans didn't start singing until the 10th minute, which I just assumed was normal for some reason. They also had a big flag which said "Bullen sind scheisse das problem ist das system" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 What is the average RB Leipzig? I find it hard to imagine they could create a big support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 They've only played 2 home league matches this season but the average of the two is over 20,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Aitken's Love Child Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 What is the average RB Leipzig? I find it hard to imagine they could create a big support. Leipzig is a massive city, with more than half a million inhabitants. If they continue to grow, the crowds will grow with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor1874 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Would personally like Red Bull Havant & Waterlooville. MK Dons or Fleetwood could be a choice. They've had some investment to start them off with a good set up. Red Bull could make an offer to help the respective chairmen retire happily and allow their clubs to reach the next level. Whether the chairmen would do that though is a different story. Reading might be an option. Got a ring to it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeSAFC Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 They're back and are apparently in talks. The FA and FL better get involved and not allow it to happen. Id much rather have an Italian crook than those b*****ds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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