Mr Bairn Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Have to admit it's surprising Douglas hasn't had any involvement whatsoever considering. Just like with Gauld, wee Chesney only rates players who ply their trade in the Scottish premiership, the premier league and the English championship 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Just like with Gauld, wee Chesney only rates players who ply their trade in the Scottish premiership, the premier league and the English championship ...And John McGinn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grass Is Greener. Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 ...And John McGinn. That's Super John McGinn to you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel hutz Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 ...And John McGinn. Personally, I thought he shouldn't be in the squad. Playing well in the Scottish Championship is too low a level to merit a international call-up, same goes with English League 1. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeboy Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Robertson > Douglas > Shinnie > Tierney Nothing quite like being a middling international team and claiming you're best to call up as your first two choices of left back, defenders who can't defend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianKnight Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 I would definitely have Shinnie ahead of Douglas. Barry is a decent LB but from what little I've seen of him recently he's not much better a defender than when he left United. Can still ping a decent cross in and has clearly worked on the rest of his game. Shinnie is definitely the more reliable defender though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Barry Douglas who is playing for Konyaspor in Turkey (3rd in the Super-Lig) after playing for Lech Poznan who won the Polish Ekltralasa (or whatever it's called). He's better shout than Tierney who's played less than 35 first team games. Definitely deserves a call-up for the Scotland squad. At LB: Robertson > Douglas > Shinnie > Tierney Number of first team games is a dreadful way to measure players. You're basically saying that even if Tierney was the best left-back in the world, you wouldn't call him up because other folk have played more games. If we base it on sensible things like ability, then Tierney is ahead of Douglas on account of him not being complete and utter shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Personally, I thought he shouldn't be in the squad. Playing well in the Scottish Championship is too low a level to merit a international call-up, same goes with English League 1. Agree with that generally, though I think exceptions can be made for friendlies (if the League 1 or Scottish Championship players in question look really promising and are very likely to be playing further up in the near future). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) Number of first team games is a dreadful way to measure players. You're basically saying that even if Tierney was the best left-back in the world, you wouldn't call him up because other folk have played more games. If we base it on sensible things like ability, then Tierney is ahead of Douglas on account of him not being complete and utter shite. Douglas might not be brilliant. He might well be the worst of the 4 left backs mentioned, but I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that he's complete and utter shite? Personally, I think he deserves a shot in a friendly at some point to make his case. Why? Because he's in a relatively niche situation of playing for top end teams and winning things in fair to good leagues abroad, so it's hard to judge his current ability as neatly as we do with British-based players. The highlights vid of his part in the Poznan title winning season was fairly impressive, and I'd hope he's at least being monitored by the Scotland staff. Edited April 6, 2016 by Gordopolis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 This is the guy who called mcormack mediocre we can dismiss his opinion. Douglas is obviously worth a look. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Number of first team games is a dreadful way to measure players. You're basically saying that even if Tierney was the best left-back in the world, you wouldn't call him up because other folk have played more games. If we base it on sensible things like ability, then Tierney is ahead of Douglas on account of him not being complete and utter shite. I find infuriating that Tierney gets called up with so little game time yet ryan gauld has played lots more senior games and does not. WGS does not have clue what direction he wants to take the team -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
port-ton Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 I find infuriating that Tierney gets called up with so little game time yet ryan gauld has played lots more senior games and does not. WGS does not have clue what direction he wants to take the team He probably doesn't want to play Gauld at left back, so that's a pretty good direction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Douglas might not be brilliant. He might well be the worst of the 4 left backs mentioned, but I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that he's complete and utter shite? I watched him playing for Dundee United and he was barely good enough for them. He was an absolutely atrocious defender whose only strengths lay in the attacking side of his game. Of course, it's possible that he's improved drastically since going out to Poland and Turkey, but I'd say it's even more likely that he's just found a couple of leagues/teams where people stand off the full-backs and allow them to sling in crosses from all angles. I can't see what value we would get in calling up Douglas "to have a look at him". Is he realistically going to be better than Robertson? Very unlikely. We then have Tierney and Shinnie waiting in the wings for that position, and both of those guys look very capable too. Some people seem to struggle to grasp the concept that a player can be in fantastic form for their club side without that automatically meaning that they deserve an international call up. If there are better players in your position then it's tough luck. The same thing applies to the calls for the likes of Lee Wallace and Jason Holt to get a call-up purely on the back of them playing well for Rangers this season. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I watched him playing for Dundee United and he was barely good enough for them. He was an absolutely atrocious defender whose only strengths lay in the attacking side of his game. Of course, it's possible that he's improved drastically since going out to Poland and Turkey, but I'd say it's even more likely that he's just found a couple of leagues/teams where people stand off the full-backs and allow them to sling in crosses from all angles. I can't see what value we would get in calling up Douglas "to have a look at him". Is he realistically going to be better than Robertson? Very unlikely. We then have Tierney and Shinnie waiting in the wings for that position, and both of those guys look very capable too. Some people seem to struggle to grasp the concept that a player can be in fantastic form for their club side without that automatically meaning that they deserve an international call up. If there are better players in your position then it's tough luck. The same thing applies to the calls for the likes of Lee Wallace and Jason Holt to get a call-up purely on the back of them playing well for Rangers this season. Aye and what if Robertsons injured... Did you see the last 2 squads? Loads of boys you could say the same thing about, what's the point in calling them up as they're unlikely to start. It's to have a look at them incase the starter is injured. Douglas has probably been the most successful Scottish player to go abroad in recent times and he's not even managed to get into a squad when playing for the Polish campions and the team that's 3rd best in Turkey. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I'd call up Douglas. Anyone playing well in leagues stronger than our own deserves at least looked at. Would also have the follow on benefit of letting players know if they do go abroad they're not forgotten about. Having players go abroad would be benefit for the national team and a player, nowhere near the set up when he left, breaking in after a few years overseas might encourage others to do it or at least not be worried about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Aye and what if Robertsons injured... I pointed out that there were at least two other options. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I pointed out that there were at least two other options. And? Are you really saying that Shinnie and Tierney are that much better than Douglas that Douglas shouldn't even get a chance? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeboy Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 If that's the case we should be calling up Callum Mallace too, IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I struggle to see why he shouldn't get a chance in a friendly. He's playing at a higher level than Shinnie and Tierney. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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