Zern Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 "returning home to Labour" aye, there's that entitlement. "they've turned the weans against us." has a similar sentinment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 25 minutes ago, Zern said: "returning home to Labour" aye, there's that entitlement. "they've turned the weans against us." has a similar sentinment. Stating my political prediction has nothing to do with entitlement just because you so happen to disagree with it and the Limmy reference is a shiter tbh maybe take a little time to think things over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 27 minutes ago, Zern said: "returning home to Labour" aye, there's that entitlement. "they've turned the weans against us." has a similar sentinment. The West children are more likely to return home to Fred and Rose than I am to go back to that shower of contemptible, craven nationalists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 I hadn't realised that Labour had won Rutherglen in 2017. Normally an MP standing down due to a scandal is very bad news for whoever replaces them standing for their party but I think a lot of people just want to forget about all the Covid restrictions. It also makes it very hard for the Scottish Tory candidate to say anything about it, given that the Tory PM at the time was breaching regulations as well. The Tories got 8,000 votes in Rutherglen in 2019, you'd imagine that would reduce quite a lot with stay-at-homes and switching to Labour. I wonder if Alba will stand here and if that could have an impact? Alba seem to be creeping up in the polls but not sure there's any real life evidence of them growing yet. It reminds me of the fact that English polls regularly show the Reform/Renew or whatever Farage's party are called getting 5% but then in every by-election they get 0.1%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 19 minutes ago, RuMoore said: Stating my political prediction has nothing to do with entitlement just because you so happen to disagree with it and the Limmy reference is a shiter tbh maybe take a little time to think things over. It's not the prediction i'm objecting too. It's the tired trope that voters who switched from Labour to SNP, over a decade ago, will see the error of their ways and return to the 'home' of Labour. You think Labour are entitled to those votes. It's bullshit denialism of why the Labour Party lost their majority in Scotland in the first place and ignores the changes to the voting rolls and political landscape since. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Just now, Zern said: It's not the prediction i'm objecting too. It's the tired trope that voters who switched from Labour to SNP, over a decade ago, will see the error of their ways and return to the 'home' of Labour. You think Labour are entitled to those votes. It's bullshit denialism of why the Labour Party lost their majority in Scotland in the first place and ignores the changes to the voting rolls and political landscape since. Lmao, no i don't. If anything it seems like you think SNP are entitled to these votes, how dare I suggest some centre type voters would choose to vote for another centre type political party.. It would probably help if you dealt with what has been said rather than what you think people mean, which you seem to struggle with quite regularly on here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) In Scotland I can see Labour doingquite well as the SNP are just sooooo bad. They appear to be falling to pieces with disastrous policies along with the Greens as every day seems to see more MPs / MSPs leaving. In addition I think lots of Tory Scottish voters will vote tactically for Labour as Labour are considered safer for the Union. In England I actually can see the Tories coming back quite strongly as Labour are becoming loonier and loonier and, with the economy improving, there could be space for tax cuts before the election. Edited June 7, 2023 by Gringo Spelling -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Well, I know more than one person who voted SNP last time and will vote Labour in this by-election simply because if SNP win, the current Scottish Goverment will think that are currently on the right track. A loss, and they might ask themselves why. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 I wanna meet the SNP voter who prefers Starmer to Corbyn, probably a total headcase. Closer Tory alignment is Labour's current trajectory. I doubt that will prove popular. Attracting tories is about all they are good for now. As the poster above avers, they are a safe pair of hands 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Ultimately all that matters is who wins the most votes in the constituency. Labour will not give a single solitary f**k if their votes come from tories, or pro Starmer/Pro Corbyn or from soft SNP voters 'returning home'. That's for your John Curtices and Lord Ashcrofts to pick over. The SNP are almost certain to have some sort of electoral decline from the unprecedented highs of the last decade. How much and what shape it will take is unknown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Ironically the seat would be a shoo-in if the unionist parties could get out of each other's way and present a unified front. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 59 minutes ago, Zern said: Ironically the seat would be a shoo-in if the unionist parties could get out of each other's way and present a unified front. Surely that’s exactly what we want to get away from? We don’t want to be like NI and just vote on constitutional/religious lines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 I'd love there to be a progressive alliance where SNP didn't run a candidate against Monica Lennon and Labour didn't run against Mhairi Black. Such a strategy would have the effect of shifting both parties leftwards and with it the national political landscape Instead all we get in Scotland is these absurd calls for Labour voters to "tactically" vote Tory and vice-versa. For me, folk's preference for either British or Scottish nationalism shouldn't override underlying principles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, FreedomFarter said: I'd love there to be a progressive alliance where SNP didn't run a candidate against Monica Lennon and Labour didn't run against Mhairi Black. Such a strategy would have the effect of shifting both parties leftwards and with it the national political landscape Instead all we get in Scotland is these absurd calls for Labour voters to "tactically" vote Tory and vice-versa. For me, folk's preference for either British or Scottish nationalism shouldn't override underlying principles. Watched PMQs today, first time for a while, and thought Mhairi Black was totally hopeless up against the mediocre Dowden. Never laid a glove on him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Best For Britain carried out a poll that predicts 31 seats for Labour in Scotland. https://www.bestforbritain.org/mrp_polling_new_boundaries_june_2023 I don't know anything about this group or their poll methodology. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: Best For Britain carried out a poll that predicts 31 seats for Labour in Scotland. https://www.bestforbritain.org/mrp_polling_new_boundaries_june_2023 I don't know anything about this group or their poll methodology. Was this not based off a sub-sample? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, FreedomFarter said: I'd love there to be a progressive alliance where SNP didn't run a candidate against Monica Lennon and Labour didn't run against Mhairi Black. Such a strategy would have the effect of shifting both parties leftwards and with it the national political landscape. Labour doing anything that would move them leftwards under Starmer? That's hilarious mate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 2 hours ago, ICTChris said: Best For Britain carried out a poll that predicts 31 seats for Labour in Scotland. https://www.bestforbritain.org/mrp_polling_new_boundaries_june_2023 I don't know anything about this group or their poll methodology. I hope the bookies are offering decent odds for this outcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, StellarHibee said: Labour doing anything that would move them leftwards under Starmer? That's hilarious mate. Voters could affect this, though, by eg. voting for Monica Lennon* in her constituency but against Ian Murray in his. Unite actually campaigned to have Murray replaced in 2019 but local unions didn't agree. It's likely commitment to British nationalism trumped commitment to socialism for those local unions. They knew Murray could get right wing votes from natural Tory or Lib Dem voters in that constituency and they'd rather have a less progressive BritNat than a more progressive ScotNat. I think that's a shite stance. *I know she's an MSP not an MP like Murray, just using her as a hypothetical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, FreedomFarter said: Voters could affect this, though, by eg. voting for Monica Lennon* in her constituency but against Ian Murray in his. Unite actually campaigned to have Murray replaced in 2019 but local unions didn't agree. It's likely commitment to British nationalism trumped commitment to socialism for those local unions. They knew Murray could get right wing votes from natural Tory or Lib Dem voters in that constituency and they'd rather have a less progressive BritNat than a more progressive ScotNat. I think that's a shite stance. *I know she's an MSP not an MP like Murray, just using her as a hypothetical. If Monica Lennon was an MP, she'd soon be deselected and replaced by some Tory "defect", or some c**t who is "hard on immigration". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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