Reynard Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Would love to see some of this canvassing in action... I saw the Scottish Socialists in action in Stirling a few times, trying to get uninterested passers by to sign a petition. Not sure what the point of this petition was. The socialists thoroughly enjoy a wee march and a placard or two. They don't enjoy working or having a bath. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 One of the polls I saw also broke down support for independence by council area. Can't post it as I'm at work, surely someone else saw it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBamboo Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Hmm dodgy maths, or full on propaganda? Dodgy maths? It would surely be dodgy arithmetic, (assuming the arithmetic was actually dodgy)? Thought you were a maths student?BTW I am not suggesting that the canvass results were scientific, far from it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Here are the maps on voting intention in the referendum. I love stuff like this. http://election-data.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/scottish-independence-regional-polling.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 So according to that information Strathclyde looks on a knife edge. Also seems Perthshire is full of onionists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Sorry, but are you asking why polls conducted by a pro independence group, without any independently applied methodology, or scrutiny, aren't of any value at all? We have no idea who they asked, whether they were entitled to vote in the referendum, how the votes were gathered, how they were counted, etc etc. Utterly meaningless. As I said, I will gladly bet you that Glasgow will return a No vote. They are canvass results straight from the doorstep. Raw results straight from the people of Glasgow. No dodgy lead up preambles or questions or dodgy weighting methods. It may not be perfect, but you cannot easily dismiss it either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Mmmmm.. yep. Maybe the canvassing is picking up votes that opinion polls are not. Something has spooked Darling given his rather erratic behaviour. Maybe their canvassing is showing very different results too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Dog Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I seriously hope that the entire Yes campaign make an effort to ensure that all of these disenfranchised voters from the schemes all go out to vote on the 18th, it's the only way the thing will be won. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 They are canvass results straight from the doorstep. Raw results Uh huh. From an organisation with a dog in the fight, no oversight as to recording methods, and who we are being asked to rtust have really just played with a straight bat here. It's the equivalent of the Orange Order having taken a straw poll at a meeting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 I seriously hope that the entire Yes campaign make an effort to ensure that all of these disenfranchised voters from the schemes all go out to vote on the 18th, it's the only way the thing will be won. Contrarily, I think a high turnout favours better together, since yes voters are more passionate about the cause and thus more likely to vote. I think Blair Jenkins and Alex Salmond will be doing rain dances the night before the vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 It's the equivalent of the Orange Order having taken a straw poll at a meeting. It's nothing of the sort. More lies and abject failure from the forum's resident goon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 It's nothing of the sort. More lies and abject failure from the forum's resident goon. Canvass returns are meaningless. Trust me. Fine for targetting on the day to get voters out - nothing more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundermonkey Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Mr Bairn - engage yer brain. Broccoli Dog ain't suggesting Yes Scotland give lazy unionists a shake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Contrarily, I think a high turnout favours better together, since yes voters are more passionate about the cause and thus more likely to vote. I think Blair Jenkins and Alex Salmond will be doing rain dances the night before the vote. There's something of a contradiction there: when undecideds are pressed they generally break in favour of Yes, and so the more undecideds that find their way to the polls on the day the better the prospects for independence. Ultimately I think the Yes campaign will make a far greater effort to GOTV on the day. The establishment's scare campaign simply doesn't work on voters who aren't already committed masons Ukips Sevconians puppy-stranglers Unionists, so they'll be wanting undecideds to stay at home. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 There's something of a contradiction there: when undecideds are pressed they generally break in favour of Yes, . Your evidence for this please? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 There's something of a contradiction there: when undecideds are pressed they generally break in favour of Yes, and so the more undecideds that find their way to the polls on the day the better the prospects for independence. Ultimately I think the Yes campaign will make a far greater effort to GOTV on the day. The establishment's scare campaign simply doesn't work on voters who aren't already committed masons Ukips Sevconians puppy-stranglers Unionists, so they'll be wanting undecideds to stay at home. I'm not talking about undecideds, I'm talking about soft no's. Anyone who's leaning yes is almost certain to go out and vote imo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 I'm not talking about undecideds, I'm talking about soft no's. Anyone who's leaning yes is almost certain to go out and vote imo Right: that's the conundrum. Low turnout: potential for hard voters to decide the result. More hard Yes than hard No. Win for independence. Moderate turnout: soft votes become more important. More soft No than soft Yes. Win for Maggie Thatcher and her mewling acolytes. High turnout: All hard and soft votes accounted for, undecideds hold the key. Undecideds typically break for Yes. Win for independence. Ultimately, Yes is the force for light and justice, and it wouldn't be democratic to try to stifle turnout, so they'll go for a massive GOTV campaign. Conversely, the profoundly undemocratic No campaign will want to keep turnout as low as they can given that it's likely to be high given the importance of the issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Ultimately, Yes is the force for light and justice A thousand times this. A billion times this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Ultimately, Yes is the force for light and justice, 1 / 10. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 1 / 10. ^^^ seething at the unstoppable truth 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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