Confidemus Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Can you answer the question please? You claimed this keaflet came from BTUKOKNOTHANKS. Are you now admitting this was a lie? Is the leaflet advocating remaining in the Union or leaving it? Does the aim of the leaflet mirror BTUKOKNOTHANKS or Yes Scotland in their desired referendum outcome? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 So nothing to back it up. Nothing, other than he was the guy who would be in the best position to know this. He's made the claim very publicly. I have yet to see any form of denial from the SNP. What does that tell you? (Well, not you personally as you have the intelligence of an amoeba, but the wider you) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Nothing, other than he was the guy who would be in the best position to know this. He's made the claim very publicly. I have yet to see any form of denial from the SNP. What does that tell you? (Well, not you personally as you have the intelligence of an amoeba, but the wider you) It tells you it's the embittered mewlings of an ex employee. Or as the Herald described it, a "tantrum". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Is the leaflet advocating remaining in the Union or leaving it? Does the aim of the leaflet mirror BTUKOKNOTHANKS or Yes Scotland in their desired referendum outcome? Hope you didn't hurt your back moving these goalposts. What a complete disaster this has been for you. So, the leaflet you claim was from BT actually isn't. What is actually is, is a leaflet from HMG, branded with the .. HMG logo. Unlike Yes leaflets, which are produced by the SNP, and branded with deceit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Nothing, Thanks for confirming that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Nothing, other than he was the guy who would be in the best position to know this. He's made the claim very publicly. I have yet to see any form of denial from the SNP. What does that tell you? (Well, not you personally as you have the intelligence of an amoeba, but the wider you) Is that you having a pop at my girth, the one the ladies aren't impressed by. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Eh? Either "the SNP is producing campaign materials for Yes" is true or not. It is not an opinion. It can clearly be proved or disproved. What is it? Why does it matter? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Is that you having a pop at my girth, the one the ladies aren't impressed by. Quantity over quality? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Why does it matter? It's a good question. It doesn't really, as long as people accept that Yes is in fact an SNP front and not an autonomous entity. The SNP run Yes and call all the shots. The others like Harvie, Canavan and co are just along for the ride on the SNP's bus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Why does it matter? It really doesn't. HB is just looking for an argument 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) It's a good question. It doesn't really, as long as people accept that Yes is in fact an SNP front and not an autonomous entity. The SNP run Yes and call all the shots. The others like Harvie, Canavan and co are just along for the ride on the SNP's bus. Bit of a leap. Still. Who cares? Edited June 26, 2014 by Burma 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Ah, Stan Blackley, the former Yes employee who the Herald described as having a "tantrum". That one? the one who made clear assertions that SNP are producing Yes campiagn materials. Is he lying? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Why does it matter? You'd need to ask fellow yes voters here who seem perturbed by it. The SNP are the major independence party, they have a proven track record of winning elections, it;d be madness to not have them running the Yes show in favour of the Greens or the SSP. It makes complete sense to marginalise parties whose strategies have nevertaken them close to more than a protest vote in Scotland. But for some reason admitting this seems to bother people 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Bit of a leap. Still. Who cares? In what way is it a leap? You asked why it matters that the SNP are using Yes as a front, whilst they are producing their documents and desiging their creative output. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 In what way is it a leap? You asked why it matters that the SNP are using Yes as a front, whilst they are producing their documents and desiging their creative output. To go from "some unknown unnamed person employed by the SNP designed a poster and a leaflet" to "the SNP are running the entire YES campaign and no one who is not affiliated to them has the slightest input" is a leap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 To go from "some unknown unnamed person employed by the SNP designed a poster and a leaflet" that's not what he said though. Again, what's the problem? the SNP are terrific at fighting elections - see 2011 - this is a good thing for Yes that they are dominating it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 You'd need to ask fellow yes voters here who seem perturbed by it. The SNP are the major independence party, they have a proven track record of winning elections, it;d be madness to not have them running the Yes show in favour of the Greens or the SSP. It makes complete sense to marginalise parties whose strategies have nevertaken them close to more than a protest vote in Scotland. But for some reason admitting this seems to bother people Why is it so important to you that people "admit" it? Does it matter that the SNP are the major partner in the YES campaign amy more than the Tories are the major partner in the NO campaign? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 To go from "some unknown unnamed person employed by the SNP designed a poster and a leaflet" to "the SNP are running the entire YES campaign and no one who is not affiliated to them has the slightest input" is a leap. It's not a leap, it's a nonsense. There are more groups fighting for a YES vote that are not under the YES campaign umbrella than there are groups under it, it's ludicrous for anyone to suggest otherwise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) the Tories are the major partner in the NO campaign? Can you evidence this please? We know that the SNP has directly provided £350,000 to Yes, has members on the board, paid it's staffing costs and used its staff to provide services to Yes. How much money have the Conservative Party given to BT? Have the Tories paid BT staffing costs? Do conservative Party creative people design BT posters? Edited June 26, 2014 by H_B 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 that's not what he said though. Really lets have another look. Yes is in fact an SNP front and not an autonomous entity. The SNP run Yes and call all the shots. The others like Harvie, Canavan and co are just along for the ride on the SNP's bus. No. Thats exactly what he said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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