LinkinFighter Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Are they going to be affected by this decision? They could be yes, but that wasn't my point anyway. Yes, but this isn't about Scotland becoming independent from France, Ukraine, China and Australia. Scotland needs to think about getting its own house in order before thinking about other nations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Fantastic debate? I must have missed it. It's been piss-poor for most of the time. I suppose it depends where you go and who you speak to. I agree the "debate" has been pish as BT attempt to stifle,talk Scotland down and push ludicrous scare stories at every opportunity. The main politicians in the YES campaign have been pretty uninspiring too. However, being involved with, meetings and spending time with with local Yes groups, National Collective, women for Indy, RIC, local Greens etc has given me huge amount of optimism about the future of the country. The debate amongst these peopek hasn't been about yes or no, they allagree on that, but on what Scotland looks like in the future. People in all walks of life have been asked to question all sorts of apsects of their lives and their political system and I think that has been an amazing thing. They have not all come to Yes but IMO the independence question is not something that can be locked away back in the cupbard once this vote has happened. Scottish people will simply not accept whatever crap we are asked to swallow from WM or Holyrood any more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I suppose it depends where you go and who you speak to. I agree the "debate" has been pish as BT attempt to stifle,talk Scotland down and push ludicrous scare stories at every opportunity. The main politicians in the YES campaign have been pretty uninspiring too. However, being involved with, meetings and spending time with with local Yes groups, National Collective, women for Indy, RIC, local Greens etc has given me huge amount of optimism about the future of the country. The debate amongst these peopek hasn't been about yes or no, they allagree on that, but on what Scotland looks like in the future. People in all walks of life have been asked to question all sorts of apsects of their lives and their political system and I think that has been an amazing thing. They have not all come to Yes but IMO the independence question is not something that can be locked away back in the cupbard once this vote has happened. Scottish people will simply not accept whatever crap we are asked to swallow from WM or Holyrood any more. Excellent post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I suppose it depends where you go and who you speak to. I agree the "debate" has been pish as BT attempt to stifle,talk Scotland down and push ludicrous scare stories at every opportunity. The main politicians in the YES campaign have been pretty uninspiring too. However, being involved with, meetings and spending time with with local Yes groups, National Collective, women for Indy, RIC, local Greens etc has given me huge amount of optimism about the future of the country. The debate amongst these peopek hasn't been about yes or no, they allagree on that, but on what Scotland looks like in the future. People in all walks of life have been asked to question all sorts of apsects of their lives and their political system and I think that has been an amazing thing. They have not all come to Yes but IMO the independence question is not something that can be locked away back in the cupbard once this vote has happened. Scottish people will simply not accept whatever crap we are asked to swallow from WM or Holyrood any more. National politicans on both sides have been pretty awful. The ordinary grass roots supporters put them to shame. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 National politicans on both sides have been pretty awful. The ordinary grass roots supporters put them to shame. Yet to meet a grassroots BT supporter, really hope that day comes though, wonder what they'll say??? Any ideas?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Yet to meet a grassroots BT supporter, really hope that day comes though, wonder what they'll say??? Any ideas?? Alex Salmond wants to ...... Trust me. I'm your better. No, I dont have a real job. Daddy wont let me work until I'm 25. Shucks. No I dont live in Scotland. Why? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 i asked this on another thread. Have there been any ordinary people coming together to put out their vision for scotland in the UK. Im a member of the snp so i dont count but loads of the people i go canvassing and leafleting with are not members of any party. Been to gigs, Q&As, film showings etc all organised by people engaged in the debate but aren't party members but have come together to be involved in this process. I havent seen anything from BT that wasnt from a local cllr, english activists bussed in or university party political associations. Not that these people aren't entitled to their views but it all seems to be leaflets and scripts sent up from HQ. The various Yes groups seem to be a lot more spontaneous and imaginative about what they do, what they say and who they are. Now in the end that might all count for f**k all but I know which side I'm glad and proud to have been a part of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Yet to meet a grassroots BT supporter, really hope that day comes though, wonder what they'll say??? Any ideas?? Something like "isn't Alex Salmond's wife old and fat?" There's only one true grassroots movement in this referendum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I don't think anyone can deny that Yes has been working much harder than No. People I see are proud of voting Yes, and I don't see that as much with No. With it being so tight at the polls I think more Yes voters will make an effort to get out and vote than No, who largely think they have won already. I can see a Solskjær style 93 minute winner from Yes coming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingPaul Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I don't think anyone can deny that Yes has been working much harder than No. People I see are proud of voting Yes, and I don't see that as much with No. With it being so tight at the polls I think more Yes voters will make an effort to get out and vote than No, who largely think they have won already. I can see a Solskjær style 93 minute winner from Yes coming. We just don't feel the need to bang on about how we are going to Vote. I'm proud to Vote No, but the Yes lot see it as some kind of badge of honour changing their profile pics to show a Yes for some reason. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 We just don't feel the need to bang on about how we are going to Vote. I'm proud to Vote No, but the Yes lot see it as some kind of badge of honour changing their profile pics to show a Yes for some reason. Cool. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 We just don't feel the need to bang on about how we are going to Vote. Er, yes you do. Yes lot see it as some kind of badge of honour changing their profile pics to show a Yes for some reason. That's because voting Yes is a thing to be proud of. Voting No is a marque of shame, embarrassment and lack of faith in your own country. HTH. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 We just don't feel the need to bang on about how we are going to Vote. I'm proud to Vote No, but the Yes lot see it as some kind of badge of honour changing their profile pics to show a Yes for some reason. You been reading this forum? NO voters shout just as loudly as YES voters, of course there'll be people that keep themselves to themselves. And how can you be proud voting AGAINST your country's independence? That's crazy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 We just don't feel the need to bang on about how we are going to Vote. I'm proud to Vote No, but the Yes lot see it as some kind of badge of honour changing their profile pics to show a Yes for some reason. Why? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepundit Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 You been reading this forum? NO voters shout just as loudly as YES voters No they don't. Angry people always have the loudest voices. Fact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal-blue Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 ThePundit, why should I vote no? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 The people that shout the loudest are the most listened to. Opinion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepundit Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 ThePundit, why should I vote no? Because you're a Loyalist, and you should be loyal to the United Kingdom. But put simply, because a No vote is what's best for Scotland. The people that shout the loudest are the most listened to. Opinion. Agreed. But if people think it's nonsense they will disagree, making the argument irrelevant. Creationists for example have very loud voices. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 We just don't feel the need to bang on about how we are going to Vote. I'm proud to Vote No, but the Yes lot see it as some kind of badge of honour changing their profile pics to show a Yes for some reason. What a shitty post. I mean who the f**k is 'we'? Telegraph? Darling? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Because you're a Loyalist, and you should be loyal to the United Kingdom. But put simply, because a No vote is what's best for Scotland. This the best it gets, is it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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